Ukraine Outbreak

I agree with Peppermill. Never thought id say it but Mandela was idolized to the point where people forgot about everything that he did prior and after aparthide. There was a reason he was in jail. Yes he did a great thing and he should be idolized but you need to look at the big picture to be completely intelligent on the subject.

Well I think we're assimilating two different qualifications when it comes to news media.

Sources/nationalities aside concerning news sources, yes it is there, hidden and latent at times, prevalent at others.

But I think it worrisome to conflate mentioning it or having it present as truly covering it.

I'll be interested to see how long it remains in the cycle and MORE importantly to what degree it (or rather, depth) it's covered.

This is a highly complicated issue that draws in old cold war era politics and geography (pretty cool IMO) into a modern era where the EU has redrawn politics and challenges modern (albeit age old simultaneously) convictions of how, for who, and by whom a government ought to work.

We have a real on the ground conflict concerning the fate of Ukraine being wrestled amongst pro-EU people and largely governmental leaning towards the "old guard" mentality. But where this swing ends up will be quite evocative and will indeed reverberate throughout Europe.

The real question, alluded to at the begiining of the post, will be to what degree, to what depth, and to what end will the Ukrainian people's choices be discussed?

Written off as latent cold war politics, Russia's crumbling power, Russia's ascending power, the fate of the EU, the purpose and promise of the EU as viable, emboldened, or weakened? There's a lot of great questions going on here and it's sort of curious to see who and what will be talked about.

Thank you for stepping down and offering this information about Mandela to me, anyways...

started following this about a week ago. since then the Ukrainian government has authorized deadly force and mobilized tanks. shit's getting intense. anyone have any thoughts on the significance of the riots in response to the recent anti-protesting laws there? also, i read something about how the citizens want to push the government more towards the EU and away from the Russian influence.

a foreign occupied colony, 240 years ago from a nation that was 3000 miles away. i don't know if you've noticed, but warfare has kind of changed since then. it's not even realistic to compare the american revolution to any sort of revolution from an established internally functioning government nowadays. ukrainian fighter planes would just bomb the shit out of people. it would be a bloodbath and put the country in ruins
more accurate is the french revolution. there were about 4 different french revolutions in 100 years from the 1700's to the 1800's. so 100 years of unrest in one of the strongest countries in the world at the time with death, famine and poverty.
ukraine is weak and therefore thinking that a change in power could stay for a long time and actually support the country into something better and economical long term is ridiculous to think. they aren't a part of the EU, they have a shitty economy and are poor as fuck. they are just digging a hole from themselves trying to fuck up their country even more instead of trying to negotiate with the government for change. overthrowing their government is a death sentence that they need to logically think about instead of going to a mob-mentality of LETS REBEL AND KILL COPS AND BURN SHIT BECAUSE WE HAVE LAWS THAT SAY WE CAN GET IN TROUBLE FOR PROTESTING

The riots are indeed significant.

The rising scale in both their centralized efforts as well as their spidering out into other areas of the country are particularly significant.

The very fact that the movement has sustained itself AND grown points to a real groundswell.

I think in regards to your specific question it will really depend on who comes out on top, what sort of information is being cataloged and by whom. Further, if this continues to gain steam it may threaten to tear the country apart unless the opposition can really cohesively pull itself together instead of broadly rebelling against Russian alignment.

Russia (i.e. Putin) may want to put the hammer down hard if the Ukrainian officials have their way, but with the Olympics going on, the international attention, it will be covert, hidden, and hard to document.

I might postulate that the Olympics have effectively tied Russia's hands for now, giving the Ukrainian rebels/protesters (diction probs) an upper hand and an opportunity to highlight their efforts.

I think we should focus less on the exposure aspect of this issue and move on to the terms these people have to protest. I simply have no clue why they are so upset, may someone please help me out here.

one that began 240 years ago before the plane, machine gun, computer, helicopter, tank, and cell phone were invented.
no shit america started from a revolution, but how can you even compare a war like that to something that would begin in Ukraine. I want Ukrainians to have their rights back, but the military there will fuck them up. Riots, war and rebellion aren't the answer. They need reform.

1) 50,000 "Americans" died during the revolution, in reference to "war" has changed
2) Britain was the most powerful nation in the world at the time and us just a few men with an idea.
3) We few men in a weak new nation became the most powerful nation in the world and are still here 225+ years later.

I'm not trying to say it is the same exact thing, I'm just trying to show you that speaking against revolution is speaking out against how your own country was founded. Things must be really bad over there if people are willing to "rebel". Happy people don't try to overthrow their government.

I dont think the Ukrainian military would bomb their own towns. Cops hosing down a few thousands protesters =/= murdering entire cities of civilians

As I said in the other thread, prime time for conflict photographers.

Apparently 'Hipsters Discover Porn' (http://www.theage.com.au/world/hipsters-discover-porn-20140124-hv9oy.html) is more pressing 'World News' on one of Australia's largest news website.

Absolutely:





Vice did a short doc on it back in December

^ I've seen some total badasses in these pictures people have been posting. Going God Of War with chains, trebuchets, molotovs and everything from full riot gear to just vests.

I partially agree that the government has more sway over the media than we realize. However, I would point out that this statement is backwards. I think the news is just a reflection of society and interested in being commercial. They only put out these stories because there's more of a demand and a market for these stories than for anything worth reading unfortunately. Then I agree with your point that it creates a cycle of people caring about the news that's fed to them and the news feeding their market.

so much rioting. the pictures from this shit are absurd. police were using molotov cocktails to keep the people at bay.

He played way too much God of War.

Redit has some amazing pictures of Ukraine and the riots. How ever these riots are not just because of the admission into the eu it has to do a lot with the new president who overthrew the democracy that was held. http://www.businessinsider.com/understanding-euromaidan-2014-1
Here is a fairly decent artical
http://m.imgur.com/a/WL1pY
Here's some great photos
I'm intrested to see what the world reaction is gonna be. Hopefully after justin briber drives drunk again right off a clif.

http://wapo.st/1dILqFh

I applaud the Ukrainian people. They don't like what their government is doing so they'll uniting and no just rolling over. I feel like it's something a lot of people think about in other first world nations but never actually do. instead we get some weak "occupy" shit

it made the cover of the Wall Street today

Crazy stuff

Okay I see where you are coming from. But what about the Russian revolution? People seem to forget about this one. The Russian military had "modern" equipment so to say. But the civilians still managed to overthrow the government. They then made the country one of the most powerful on earth. Was it a good kind of powerful? No. But they sure as hell did it.