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ABalls
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I've been looking at this ski extensively and have come to the conclusion that it is my dream ski. However, this ski underfoot has a disconnected edge that is filled in with base material instead of the actual edge to help prevent the wear of the metal edge on rails. My concern is that once the base material underfoot wears out I will catch the disconnected edge on surface swaps and presses. Has anyone had any experience with this technology or can anyone who knows a little about the product offer insight?
Jan 19 2014 10:41AM
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NinetyFour
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http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2013-2014-moment-frankenski

I can see what you're saying and I'd definitely be concerned about it. From the review and from other edgeless skis I've heard about, the base material deteriorates pretty quickly while sliding just about anything.
Jan 19 2014 1:39PM
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NPRM
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Wait till next season to buy it, Moment is currently not producing any more Frankenskis at the moment and they are redoing the ski due to some problems, but the concept is surely interesting and Moment is trying to put out something 100%
Jan 19 2014 2:26PM
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ABalls
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I'm also interested to see how the dirty mustache rocker performs on ice.
Jan 19 2014 9:00PM
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Stose
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Dirty mustache rocker is essentially a gimmick, it was talked about in the ski builders cult I believe. And they came to the conclusion that it virtually did nothing
Jan 20 2014 1:14PM
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Ghini
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cult link?
Jan 20 2014 1:18PM
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NinetyFour
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Most of one cult's threads have been moved here:

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/mobile/forumthreads/id/205/

Sorry for the mobile link but you should be able to get to it through there. Or just go to the main thread directory.

And the only thing dirt mustache does for a ski in my mind is its ability to keep a ski's rocker profile constant. When you step on a ski that has camber and rocker, the cambered area will flatten and effectively cause the rocker profile to raise. It's really a minuscule difference as I see it though.
Jan 20 2014 1:28PM
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ABalls
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Thanks man... Finally, is the durability of moment skis really that bad? I've never owned a pair so I don't know.
Jan 20 2014 2:51PM
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alden.
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I've never been able to break a pair.
Ever.
In the last 5 years.
If anything the production processes as of last year and this upcoming season are on par if not superior to major ski manufacturers.

And for dirty mustache rocker, anyone who says it does nothing has either never skied it or has no idea what they're talking about.




Jan 21 2014 5:16PM
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Stose
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I broke 2 in about a month. But I know that since then they have improved their quality greatly.
Jan 21 2014 5:18PM
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ABalls
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How exactly does the dirty mustache rocker perform and what is it like?
Jan 21 2014 6:05PM
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blazer258
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I'm pretty sure dirty mustache is just their way of saying its a rocker camber rocker ski, where tip and tails are softer due to the rocker and the camber under foot makes it a little stiffer, so its still playful but can hold its own on bigger jumps and at higher speeds, so many companies have skis like this nowadays, look at the filthy rich for example its got tip and tail rocker with camber underfoot
Jan 21 2014 6:36PM
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profa_212
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No that's the mustache rocker. Dirty rocker is rocker camber , camber , camber rocker I believe
Jan 21 2014 6:40PM
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alden.
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The first time i rode Dirty Mustache was at 7pm after freezing rain on the first prototype death wish 184,
I'm 5'10 145 and as a native californian I hate ice and suck at skiing it.
Needless to say i was prepared to have a bummer of a night and run crying for full camber.
After the first run I was laughing hysterically because my preconceived notions about this camber and condition had been proven completely wrong.

As anyone who knows how to ski has realized, rocker in the tip and tail makes a ski feel wishy washy.
Camber is what gives a ski pop and energy when setting and coming out of an edge and rocketed or flat skis often feel/ even sound dead.

This may be something you like, or something you don't but this isn't about that.

Dirty mustache camber was intended to bring life back into a rocker'd ski.
With the addition of two pockets of camber before and after the binding mount moment was able to make a ski rocketed in the tip and tail that when on an edge feels like the control and energy of a fully cambered ski.

The frankenski in the past has been a small batch solution to the problems of skiers such as logan imlach and shay lee when using said ski on outrageously rough urban surfaces that would normally not slide.

I consider myself an advocate of this camber type and highly recommend trying it before discounting it's advantages.
I hope that created a more clear picture for you.

If you have any other questions or concerns please feel free to ask.





Jan 21 2014 6:44PM
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alden.
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For anyone confused bout what Dirty Mustache rocker is
Jan 21 2014 6:45PM
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