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Kelly Thomas Police Beating

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qazwsxedc34
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At 17:00 he calls for his father,




Jan 18 2014 12:34AM
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Halo1junkie
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Ftp but whatever. Cops are physical alteration seeking assholes. Get over it
Jan 18 2014 1:06AM
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Jeebus.
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And rodney king aint never felt a beat like this
Jan 18 2014 1:16AM
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Halo1junkie
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*altercation
Jan 18 2014 1:31AM
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E__
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Gotta be one of the best punchlines out there.
Jan 18 2014 4:06AM
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.AR6rider.
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Who gives a shit?
Jan 18 2014 6:09AM
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cobra_commander
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2 min of shouting 'I can't breath'
Lol
Jan 18 2014 11:05AM
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corona
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shit. the dude dies from the injuries.

one of the police got charged with 2nd degree murder and the other manslaughter. Let's hope they actually get convicted and not just a few months paid vacation like what normally happens.
Jan 18 2014 11:21AM
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qazwsxedc34
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He died,

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Jan 18 2014 12:37PM
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californiagrown
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When the cops tell you to do something...do it. Pretty simple. Tell them you dont consent, but dont physically resist against anything. Let your lawyer deal with it.

Is it really that hard to understand?

who the fuck thinks they are going to win a fight against 3, combat trained, armed dudes? If you do, then you need to find out that you cant.
Jan 18 2014 1:01PM
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corona
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oh man. so this happened a few years ago. The reason why it was brought up again recently is because the cops involved were all found not guilty on all charges.

They completely got away with murder. That is kind of fucked in my opinion. There is too much protection against law enforcement in the western world. They do something that is a blatant and outright crime that should lead to years in prison and they got off scott free, or with paid vacation.
Jan 18 2014 1:03PM
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qazwsxedc34
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It’s bothering to me because of non-compliance police officers are allowed to gruesomely assault an individual, in this case killing him.
Jan 18 2014 1:04PM
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californiagrown
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They arent going to beat a lifeless, compliant individual. THey beat a resisting individual who keeps resisting even through the beating.

What were they supposed to do? stop trying to physically restrain him? Dude had sever mental health issues, which is the reason he was confronted in the first case, and possibly the reason why he couldnt understand that he needed to simply comply with the officers demands.

Its a sad story, and the officers could have handled it better, buut i dont think they were malicious in their actions. They didnt want to kill the guy, or maim him. they just wanted to make him stop resisiting and they thought beating him into submission was the best option in that moment.
Jan 18 2014 1:11PM
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corona
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the irony to this is someone with severe mental health issues could have come up with a better solution than the cops did.
Jan 18 2014 1:15PM
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californiagrown
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like what? Oh, and come up with it while someone with possible aids is bleeding while attacking you and spitting at you...
Jan 18 2014 1:17PM
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corona
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same way you'd deal with any belligerent drunk person. cuff em and chuck them in the back of the cruiser to bring to the station. really not difficult when there's 1 skinny mental homeless person with the strength of a 12 year old and a couple big cops properly trained to do this exact thing.

this is what you do before it comes to the point where the dude is bleeding and spitting (because he was choking on his own blood).

also where did you get from this that he was attacking them? resisting arrest, yes. attacking? no.
Jan 18 2014 1:41PM
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Phil-X-
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eh normally I think the lib cop brutality stuff is bullshit but this video is the opposite. He actually is doing nothing wrong and the cop is 100% looking to fuck him up "THESE FISTS ARE GONNA FUCK YOU UP"


The point is when youre on the ground pinned by 2 men, with one arm under you, it physically not possible to put both arms behind your back.. the officers both know they can very easily adjust him to a legitimate angle, but they choose not to in order to keep him "resisting"
Jan 18 2014 1:43PM
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MACAQUE
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Incidents like this are why cops are and forever will be scum. As an entire group of people. I don't care if most cops are genuinely trying to help society by doing their jobs, but cops can get away with literally murder in court without being held responsible by their fellow officers either, there's a problem. Fuck the police.
Jan 18 2014 2:06PM
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Wallisch_pl
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You can now show dead people on NS, the officers were found not guilty? That was horrible to watch
Jan 18 2014 2:23PM
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Bart.Man
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What can be done? That's not a rhetorical question. As in, what could people do against this, both the beating and their being found innocent? And the seemingly pervasive police brutality in the U.S.?
Jan 18 2014 3:29PM
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LoathesRaisins
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Rialto PD in CA wears cameras on their glasses. Seems to be helping.
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Jan 18 2014 3:37PM
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californiagrown
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this kind of stuff happens everywhere, not just america.

The reason you hear about it more here is because of our litigeous society that encourages lawsuits. Other places just accept that some cops are dirty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality
Jan 18 2014 3:47PM
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Sno.
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wait...so...the guy was sitting on the curb early on in the video, and the cop put a glove on and said "see my fist"..."its about to fuck you up"...and you don't think they were malicious?
Jan 18 2014 3:49PM
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Bart.Man
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If anything that makes it worse. We shouldn't accept this as the status quo. There needs to be a mandatory minimum sentence for any officer found guily of brutality, and the parameters of brutality need to be reigned in and clearly defined. As in, if the person is on the ground, they can't be considered resisting, etc.

And the cameras seem like a decent idea, but what is the penalty for deactivating them? Or are they able to? It seems like a good idea, but there is more that needs to be done.
Jan 18 2014 3:56PM
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californiagrown
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you can absolutely be resisting when on the ground. Its a subjective call that the officer has to make in the heat of the moment.

Everyone here acts like they know what its like to be a cop and deal with out of control people.

Also, cops already have video recorders on their cars that are commonly used in court cases. cameras on thier glasses would get knocked off immediatly once they started running/wrestling/any physical activity.
Jan 18 2014 4:07PM
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Sno.
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ok, seriously though-- I think we can all agree that there are times when police need to use force, and that in this case they used excessive force...they also had no reason to place him under arrest to begin with...guy had two envelopes that had someone else's name on them? The police would never arrest me-- a young, white female with a backpack, because I had envelopes with someone else's name on them. The cop told him he was going to fuck him up before the arrest even started...they also didn't respond appropriately to his injuries once he was on the ground--clearly submissive and no longer moving or speaking.

Jan 18 2014 4:17PM
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californiagrown
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Ii am very much speaking in generalities, and i will not waste 33 mins of my day watching the video all the way through(the ONLY WAY to get an accurate picture of the arrest).

It seems to me that a jury of civilians found the police officers not guilty, so there had to have been a pretty good reason for them to act as they did.

And of course they could have handled it better. Hell, they would even admit that. But its tought to second guess someones decisions when they are in the heat of a very dangerous moment, that i have never been in.

Again, normal people like you and I are convinced that the cops did nothing wrong. What is the story that they believe that is not being told here?
Jan 18 2014 4:22PM
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Bart.Man
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How much can you resist with 2 250 lb assholes holding you down, preventing you from breathing? Of course you're going to struggle and writhe around to try to get air into your lungs, and they called it resisting. Yes, I do know how I would react in that situation. I would squirm and continue to until I could fucking breathe again. And when you're being held in a face own take down position (which have been outlawed in several areas because of their dangerous nature) like that, it's impossible to "just do what they say" and put your other arm behind your back.

This is a clear cut case of police abusing their overwhelming unchecked power and getting away with it. If you're not going to watch the video, then I don't think you're qualified to speak on the issue.


Jan 18 2014 5:08PM
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Sno.
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you need to read the Wikipedia because it was a lot more convoluted than that. The result off this incident includes: the resignation of the police chief, the termination of three officers, the impeachment of several city council members, a one million dollar settlement offered to his mother, and three different rulings on those who were charged with murder and involuntary manslaughter-- two judgments where the judge determined the officers were guilty, and one where the charges were dismissed, not because they weren't guilty, but because they couldn't be proven guilty based on lack of evidence since the key witness is dead.
Jan 18 2014 5:09PM
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lineskier10
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pigs gonna pig
Jan 18 2014 5:30PM
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.AR6rider.
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You are a fucking idiot.
Jan 18 2014 5:37PM
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fupaface
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dude was schizophrenic, of course hes going to fuckin resist. There was like 5 cops theres no fuckin way they wouldnt be able to get him into cuffs and into the cruiser, without beating him. I think most cops have a fuckin superiority complex, and thats why they become cops in the first place.
Jan 18 2014 5:46PM
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theabortionator
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Nice try at making a point.
Jan 18 2014 5:54PM
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MACAQUE
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You are an abstinent idiot.
Jan 18 2014 6:07PM
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.AR6rider.
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Uhh...
Jan 18 2014 6:12PM
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MACAQUE
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Woooooooooosh
Jan 18 2014 6:16PM
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.AR6rider.
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Oh, I got it. I was just perplexed by your phenomenal stupidity and amazed by the fact that you thought you were being clever or funny.
Jan 18 2014 6:20PM
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MACAQUE
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I am being clever and funny. Try to loosen up a little. It might make the stick come out a little easier.
Jan 18 2014 6:31PM
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.AR6rider.
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You're really struggling.
Jan 18 2014 6:33PM
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Toaster-Tony
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This guy died before his lawyer could help him. Whats your point?
Jan 18 2014 6:43PM
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MACAQUE
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No, not at all
Jan 18 2014 6:44PM
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.AR6rider.
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When your only response is essentially,"Nuh uhhh!" you have definitely run out of things to say.
Jan 18 2014 6:47PM
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MACAQUE
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Coming from the guy that replied with "Uhhh". You've failed to post anything with any sort of thought behind it, so it doesn't take much to reciprocate.
Jan 18 2014 6:52PM
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.AR6rider.
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Do I ever? Idiots like you still respond to my posts religiously. It doesn't even matter what I type anymore.
Jan 18 2014 6:54PM
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californiagrown
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cause he didnt do what the cops told him...

are you dense?
Jan 19 2014 2:42PM
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Toaster-Tony
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He would've won in court. He was killed because he didn't put his hands on his knees with video as well as audio evidence. I think you just might be a little too edgy for me tho.
Jan 19 2014 2:47PM
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Bart.Man
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yeah dude you're clearly just picking the opposite side and playing devil's advocate to be unpopular or edgy or what the fuck ever. You really mean to say that him not putting his hands on his knees and his feet out in front of him warranted his being beaten to death? No reasonable, humane person would think that. Stop trying to be cool or whatever you're trying to accomplish and consider what happened, then try to say he did something wrong enough to be attacked by too many cops to count.
Jan 19 2014 3:17PM
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californiagrown
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never said that at any point. actually i said the opposite. you just are shitty at reading.
Jan 19 2014 4:10PM
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Bart.Man
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Nice try, champ. It's called an implication, and your posts are full of em. Learn to be better.
Jan 19 2014 4:14PM
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californiagrown
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nope. you infered something i didnt imply.

you just ignore words and read what yiu want to hear. its cool though. good luck in life with that strategy.
Jan 19 2014 4:43PM
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Bart.Man
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When you say that they did nothing wrong, the IMPLICATION is that they did the right thing, as opposed to the wrong thing. So yes, you did both say and imply that it was justified.

Jan 19 2014 4:59PM
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