Messed up tips- Atomic

I'm surprised they haven't pulled out from the length of time you've ridden them like that.

It's just the gap where the tip and tail edge meets the rest of the edge. It's just rust under the top sheet and you can see it because it's a clear base. Happens to all skis which don't use a full wrapped edge. Nothing to worry about.

There's not much you can do to fix it, just a cheap design not meant to withstand lots of park/off piste beatings. Maybe a dab of epoxy on the sidewall to keep some moisture out to reduce the chances of delaminating

What do you mean? Personally I think its a better design then a full edge wrap which will need rivots in the tip such a a k2. Most skis use a separated edge as it allows for a decreased chance of a delam in the tip and tail as the edge can lengthen and shorten while flexing.

I honestly think both edge designs are crap. the edge around the tip is where it is under the most stress as it is wrapping around a tight curve. ON3P's edge design where the edge stops right before the tight curve of the tip, I personally think is the best. There is no opening where water can get it like you see above, and it reduces the stress on the edge greatly.

The gap will still open slightly though when the ski is flexed hard. I agree though separated edges are a better idea I believe and if on3p are taking the gap further back from the tip it could work well

Or do on3p not use edges in the tip and tail? A bit like the salomon rocker skis.

The edge stops, it doesn't go around the tip or tail at all, the base material wraps around the edge a couple inches before the tip/tail.

Yeah see that will work well it's very similar to what salomon do. I was skeptical at first when I first got mine but it works very well especially in rockered skis where the tip flapping can cause unexpected catches.

Your right. Charlie Owens, Shea Flynn, Andy Partridge, Sean Jordan, and Clayton Vila all ski K2's because of the shitty edge design. Get your head of of your ass, the edges on this years Recoils and the Iron Maidens last year are some of the best in recent times. I know a few friends who had problem with Domain edges last year but thats a different animal altogether.

But...they're the same edges, made from the same manufacturer, put on the skis in the same factory, designed and built by the same company....how is it a different animal at all?

And listing pros that ride for a company because of their edges is pointless...the amount of skis those guys go through would make your head spin.

Actually I think it's called sponsorship

They ride for K2 because they obviously don't mind them as a company or a sponsor. They aren't forced into it. Chuck left Salomon for K2, so they obviously do it better.

Not that it matters because the debate is irrelevent, but John had basically 1 of a kind FRs (the Jiberish Topsheet ones) last year...how many of those you think got pressed...?

Not sure which John you're talking about but neither ride for Jiberish, and Ware wasn't riding ON3P's until mid-season last year. And how many got pressed? Not too many, but an athlete could get his hands on at least 3 pairs. For a smaller company like ON3P it wouldn't be to hard to press a pair on demand if an athlete wanted a limited edition or something.

You may be surprised at how long some athletes can make skis last. The salomon freestyle team used to get handmade versions of suspects but they only got one pair which they had to make last.

But that is not really the point the point is k2 offer them the beast deal. It could be the money, other benefits, being more high profile in a team, getting some say in the product ect ect. The skis themselves are a pretty small factor. So to say a brands skis are better because of who rides them is pretty far fetched.

Not saying they are better. Just defending them from the dude who said they were awful. And how many Salomon athletes did you see hitting gnarly urban and going huge with those suspects? Salomon has pretty much said fuck park skiing and walked away altogether. So this plays a huge role in them only giving athletes one pair of skis and leads to riders like Charlie Owens migrating to another team.

And are all of the factors that you stated things that athletes take into mind when joining a company/team? Yeah. But if they hate the skis, don't get any input, are dis-respected and don't support the company they clearly won't join. K2 hooks the Stept crew up, and its a pretty damn big company sure. But the fact that many of the Stept athletes have been with K2 for 3+ years says something. They aren't held at gunpoint to be on the team. They sign a contract, if that.

Well i would say salomons park athletes are going bigger then most of the guys you posted. Woodsy and bobby are both at the top of there game. No they don't do much urban but to say they don't go big is just wrong. Salomon may have backed out a little from park but they still have some of the biggest names in the sport they just don't have any urban skiers which is what ns love so to ns salomon don't like park.

And no they are not being held at gun point but if a big brand came knocking with more money do you think they would all stay just for the skis?

This same thing happened to my atomics last year rode them till the end of the season and they look like this now. Thankfully i got new skis!

ON3P x Jiberish Collab topsheet is what he was talking about. We made John Kutcher (plus some other team riders) a pair of FR last season with this top that he spent much of the year on.



We usually allocate 2 or 3 pairs of park skis per year, depending on how much urban they are hitting. Sometimes they get by on 2, and we've rarely had to do more than 3, but it has happened once or twice and usually related to a big impact or something. They just end up replacing them when the edges are so worn down to where they are urban quality, then they retire that pair to urban status and mount up a new pair for park. We know the numbers of skis that some skiers from other companies go through (10+ park skis per year) and are really glad we don't have to replace skis at that level, as we would only be able to afford a super small team.

Karl's been hitting urban recently on a pair of skis that is 2 years old (Jmos with caylor rocker) that he just loves (seen in this edit, so you can see he's been skiing them for awhile - http://vimeo.com/36264955), so we get pretty good life out of our skis. Some of the skis are still skiable when they are retired too, so sometimes we will snag them so we have singles around incase a customer breaks and ski and needs a single.

Either way, hitting lots of rails and urban is rough on skis and there is only so much you can do right now to extend the life of skis under such abuse. It is something we certainly think about constantly, but again, there are limits to what you can build for.

Also, for clarification, John Ware's first day on ON3P was early this season. He was still on Surface last year/all summer.

As for the Atomics the thread was about, just pay attention to them and try and take care of them. If they are over a year old, you are probably out of warranty, but a little bit of work keeping the ski together could prevent some pretty wholesale delams as far as the edge goes. If it is starting to come apart, the sooner to seal it up and clamp it back together, the less water will seep in there and the less long term damage will occur. If you let it sit and get wet and don't do anything about it, it will get progressively worse as you use the skis. Good luck.