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skipimp_
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Yo, heres a quick letter I drafted up, and I know its lacking, and was wondering if you guys can help me patch it up, make it more solid.

Holla!



Hi, my name is Shawn Kisielius and I have a dream, and Im currently trying to chase it. I know what I want to do with my life, and I want to do it with all my energy. I just don't know where to start. I am a member of the green party, and believe strongly in raising
awareness for conservation and preservation.
I am currently an ecotourism student at Mount Royal College in Calgary. It's a 4 year program, but I don't want to spend 4 years, along with thousands of dollars, when I already have a goal. This is what I envision:

I want to build a tree top ecolodge retreat on the coast of BC. I have been in contact with a few organizations in the area, one being the Spirit Bear Youth coalition, who are lobbying to save that part of the rainforest, the only place in the world where the spirit bear (white
black bear) lives. It is also the last temperate rainforest in the world.
It is in danger, and I want to help save it through sustainable awareness. I have researched eco lodges, and sustainable practices. I want to raise awareness about the spirit bear and about the forest. I think saving forests is one of the greatest things someone can do. In
grade 6 I raised 250$ through raffle sales etc, to help save the amazon.
I just returned from Peru where I spent a good deal of time in the forest I helped to preserve. It only made me want to save more of it. I envision suspended platforms for guided canopy tours, and in the later stages, guided ocean kayak, and zipline tours. My motivation in this is not to make money, it is to Do No Harm, to lead by example, to enlighten and rejuvinate the soul, to explore life fully in its changing entirety, to chase dreams not fear them, to motivate, inspire, and help the human race evolve to a more aware consciousness. I have researched solar, wind, and water power, as well as low energy hot water systems (quantum heaters). I want to donate my services to small communities, using
surplus revenue from the retreat, and help with its goals and projects. I want to help restore native american culture in traditional or modern terms. I know the forestry minister of Bc announced an initiative in my
exact desired location to help conserve it, searching for ecologicalmeans of gathering revenue. That way is Ecotourism. As much as i want to just go there and start building, I understand the importance of doing it right. I need help. I need a voice. I have been spreading the word, haverecruited many supporters, i have small investors looking to invest in it. I think there is a niche here, and I want to help fulfill it. I have been building major treehouses for years on my own. My newest
one, which wasn_t torn down by the city is in montreal, and is fully suspended 35 feet from the ground by 3 chains and three trees, and its built to code. I have 2 ziplines 100 feet long, and am already stringing up cargo nets. It is unique. This is who I am, and what I want to do.I don't know if you need to hear all this, but I just don't know who I should be talking to.

If you can help me with my dream, I thank you.

sincerely,
Shawn Kisielius
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You mean Prime minister right?

I thought about it, but you wanna know what i came up with?

I decided that people who join politics are as follows:

They want to create change, they have vision and want to save the world. So they join a party, and start going to meetings. At first, hes full of ideas, and wow, people really listen to him. So now he stands on a pedestal in a hall, on the radio, on tv, wherever he can get (afford). But oh no, whats this? No one cares about politics except the aged conservatives and slightly younger slightly less conservative liberals? uh oh. But you push on. You get elected for whatever position. Now you are the party in power. You finally get to implement the change youve been striving diligently your whole life for, but wait! whats this? D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y. Hmm.. doesnt that mean the people get to decide? What about my vision? What about my world? whats with all these people I dont even know digging through my past and telling the world all my dirty little secrets? Why wont anyone vote to pass the bills I want? Why is the opposition yelling so much?

Why is everybody yelling?

Who am I?

What is my purpose in life?

I did everything right, like they said... If I want to make change do those 500 steps..I did all of them....why cant i make change?

I guess were all fucked.


Im gonna go buy a gun.

And that my friends is the life of a politician summed up right quick.



But, If I was the head of a minority party, Id have enough money to buy the land and build a tree city..

yes...

its all coming together...

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well, i dunno about THE god, but maybe im one of them..or part of one....
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And weed is what got me to where i am today.
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hahahahaha, yeah no shit, ive been there too.
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spell our British Columbia and dont use contractions.
Dec 6 2004 9:06PM
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Dude thats soooo fukin DOPE!!!! if you need anyhelp with money or conections message me great idea im glad that there is still people out there that give a fuck.
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DIE REBEL SCUM!


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A couple of nitpicky things I would change:

Instead of BC write out British Columbia. And where you said you spent time in Peru, give an exact amount of time, not a generalization.

But it looks pretty good and look sreally cool man. Good luck with it all!
Dec 6 2004 11:29PM
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if you get this off the ground... fuck... dont you hate it when you notice a lame pun in the middle of a sentence... oh well... if you succeed... i will come and kiss the ground below your lodge. but uh, if i dont smoke, can i still come to the treehouse?
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Dec 7 2004 3:26AM
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Who do you plan to send this too?

anyways, I think you should take out the last sentence 'I don't know if you need to hear all this, but I just don't know who I should be talking to.' and put a sentence saying thank you for reading.


Dec 7 2004 4:48AM
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If you want people to 'help you with your dream', offer them ways of doing it, contact information, a donation scale, an idea of what you need, whatever. You won't get anything out of anyone if you don't ask for anything. Make it extremely easy to understand. Try targetting who you're sending whatever this 'letter' is supposed to be (it's more of a letter than a proposal), and change the letter to suit the individual/company you're targetting. For example: You need climbing ropes for your treehouse to work. Awesome. Send a personalized letter to a climbing rope company, with the last paragraph detailing what they can do for you (send you free climbing rope), and what they get out of it(a feeling of having done the right thing, a good PR opportunity, advertising, whatever).

Right now, it's not ready to send to anyone. You're getting there though.







Bahahaha... or, you could call it the 'elitist snob' cult. Anyways, my family already owns a country club, so no thanks.

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Dec 7 2004 5:53AM
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Are you sure pot smoke isn't bad for the environment?
Good luck!
Dec 7 2004 12:32PM
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Ryno
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nature/god created weed, humans created alchol...who you going to trust?

i didnt know you were still persueing that. i asked you about it a long time ago in ur cult but i never got any word back. props for doing that cause its a killer idea
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Dec 7 2004 3:10PM
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that would be cool. just as long as the visitors dont be assholes and litter etc..
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Dec 7 2004 3:16PM
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Oh, each visitior will be well screened before hand, no kids, or old people allowed.

I dont need any lawsuits when they break their hips or dent their skulls...

jib this, thanks for the direction, I feel like an idiot for not thinking about the slow n steady route, I was always thinking how I could go big right away...

safe.

If you dont smoke on the ground, you will in the treehouse. YOU WILL.


Everyone who enters the treehouse must smoke a joint and listen to the ocean for the first 2 hours they are there....or whatever, as if im making rules!


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haha i love hippies....



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Where is the one in MTL. I wanna see it
Dec 7 2004 3:52PM
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Hey,whats up bitches my name is Shawn Kisielius and I have a dream, like martin luther king but im white and Im currently trying to chase it. I know what I want to do with my life, and I want to do it with all my energy and some cocaine and heroin. I just don't know where to start. I am a member of the blue man group, and believe strongly in raising
awareness for conservation and preservation of the opium feilds i have in my back yard.

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thats pretty cool tho

i had something funny to say but i forgot it.





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Yeah man good stuff. Jib This's idea is really good.
Cant really add too much to the letter but really just posted to say i liked it.

Im not sure if you know about it but check out this website.

www.edenproject.com

Its about a place in the UK (cornwall) and theve made such a cool place from totaly sustainable and envronmentaly stuff. I TOTALY suggest you check it out. Been there myself and its an awesome place. And they might be interested in what your doing.

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You seem to have a good idea of what you want to do. However, you need to do some market research for this to be successful. I would recommend starting with the basics first. I am a marketing director and have a succesfull side companu as well and these are some things you will want to find out.

- Is there a demand for this
- Whats your competition (broad and narrow scope)
- Who is your target market.
- What are the demographics of your target market
- What is your target market willing to pay for this kind of adventure
- What is your breakeven point.

Naresh K. Mahotra wrote a good book called 'marketing research: an applied orientation' it's pretty cheap on Half.com and can be found by it's ISBN # 817808368x

I would not invest any money into this until you have a solid belief that you have the customer base you need
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whats a rainforest?



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hahahah... marketing case studies... oh well im bitter and hate the business world.
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Fuck customer base. Im gonna have to hide it so well no one can find it, because of all the summer traffic
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thats pretty cool man. i would live there and help you build it. i am almost done my degree, that is the kind of shit i could spend my time on, then at night get my masters. after a few years it would be off the ground and running i have no doubt.

it would be hard to make it afffordable though to anyone but rich euros. just take a look at usages for expensive lodeges all around. strathcona park for example where rich euros sue the lodge, the rest camp.
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Yo....ecret to being successful mthese days, especially with the new generations is to challengs, bend, break, and make rules. Thats how we recruit the youth...because WE ARE THE YOUTH.

Its in Dorion near montreal..Ill have the pics ina week. heyre sweet.
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the green party. hahaha




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might wanna take that out makes you sound like an idiot^




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you might want to take out the part about not wanting to finish college. it makes sense to me, but to 'responisble' adults, it might be a sign of irresponsibility and lack of commitment.



I don't deny there are bad things in the US right now, hell, 51% of the country to be exact. But god damnit, our country being fat is NOT a problem. I do't give a shit how fat people are. hell, fat kids are harder to kidnap, that means our country is safer.

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Ryno
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is the first joint included in the price :P

just saying but you mighthave to find a very like minded finacle backer becasue you business sounds like too much of a risk/lack of money maker for big suits to embrace
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Dec 13 2004 9:12AM
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An idiot for joining the green party? you must be an american.

Yeah, i definately will find like minded corprate back.

itll all come together..


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Fuck that's awesome. I read a book about building treehouses, and I'm stoked for the day when I have enough money to buy a peice of land with enough proper sized trees to build myself a tree home and live in it during the summer. Just doing that would be so tight, like a little kid's dream. It's make myself a self powered elevator and stuff. The roof would be solar, and i'd have a hammock and just chill there all summer and kayak and smoke weed. Then I'd go home to ski in the winter. That will be my life.
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skipimp, i just read the letter so some of this may have been discussed. First off, very nice letter, has the potential to be moving... But right now, no one in their right minds would give you a dime.

Am I correct in saying that this is a business proposal and basically a request for funding? If you are looking to grab ahold of some money from a venture capital fund, you are going to need to take that letter and make it a hell of alot bigger than that. I cannot stress specifics enough here. You were in Peru, great, no one gives two shits unless that time in Peru was spent doing things which would help you with your tree lodge thing. So get everything that you did in Peru together, with pictures, documents showing costs and the like.

You then say that you have extensive experience building tree houses. Thats great, it will come in handy during the construction process when you are telling the contractor who that venture firm hired how you think things should look. Thats right, you will not have anything to do with the building of this lodge. If you say in your proposal that you will design and build this thing your audience (read investors) will pretty much immediately shut down. Why? You are a college student who wants to be a college dropout, who is not a structural engineer.

Ok, Ive written about 25% of what I could have, if you want any help, hit me up on aim skibummer440

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You def. got where you are by smoking a shit ton of weed...good luck



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Dec 14 2004 10:43AM
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Dude, i dont think you get it. Of course im going to build it. Of course I will do it my way. Of course I will not damage the environment. Of course i wont apply for money from money grubbing oil companies. of course im not going to go to business school and design a corporate blueprint.

This is something entirely new, never before done, and if i dont get the kind of backing that fits exactly what i want to do, Ill just go build it and hope no one finds it.

Fuck the system, theyre more of a hinderance than a help.


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good for u man, i hope it works out
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Dec 14 2004 9:38PM
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me too. me to...

BUt really dude, AS long as its what I want to do with my life, it holds priority, and every oppertunity that comes by that gets me closer, if i grab it, eventually it will be perfect. right? right.


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When I saw the subject, I thought it had something to do with juice. Oh well, I guess I'm dumb.
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Is this supposed to be profitable for you? Have you ran a business before? Do you have any training in the different functions of business (systems management, marketing, accounting, finance, etc,) Are you incorporated or do you plan on risking everything you own by having a sole proprietorship. There is so much more that goes into a successfull business then i think you understand. You are passionate about this, but if you want anybody to back you, you need to show a massive portfolio of work you have done and show that you know how to make money. Investers could care less how awsome your idea is if they cant make money off of you. Many great ideas fail because of the inefficiencies of their day-to-day business practices.

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I have written many business and marketing plans in order to gain financial backing of investors. this is a good webpage for examples on where you should be.
www.bplans.com
www.mplans.com
If you dont have at the very least a breakeven analysis and a rudimentary marketing plan on who your customers are you probably will get turned down
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running a business is easy as shit! making money on it is a little more difficult!
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skipimp, what you are proposing will cost hundreds of thousands if not several million dollars. Even before you can start building, youre going to have to do an environmental impact study, so good luck getting approval to build a tree house in old growth. And good luck building a lodge 100ft off the ground by yourself

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Ahh, its so good to see that i still have the advantage over you gjuys cause youre so blinded by what a business is supposed to be.

YOU DONT FUCKING GET IT. really. you dont. it's ok. Im not trying to make money, im not trying to make a business. im making A TREETOP ECOLODGE RETREAT. Its a brand new market, niche, and idea. I get to make rules this time. I get to figure out how to get around the bulshit paper work and societal limitations.

I dont listen to ANYONE, because everyone is so full of shit, sure its good shit with valid peanuts, i mean points, but dudes, I have build treehouses suspended in the trees, and I have proof. Here come the pics soon.

just have to get them scanned....

ahhh fuck it, you guys arent helping.


I just bought a book written by a multibillionaire called the one page buisness proposal. Its the key to success.

thats what ill do. One page. ONE FUCKING PAGE!

not a million pages of worthless shit that no one will ever read.


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^nice...just blow em away bro...great idea and the concept is awsome
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ski pimp, i could do your eia, i am fully trained in that. even a sia though i doubt anypeople will be around so an sia is really not needed.

i believe this project is possible, i would go through interwest, they have lots of cash and the thing owuld be quite luxurious! they love shit like this, as does their boomer clientel.


and hexus...old growth can be logged, you don;t think it could have a treehouse development? that is a bit less of an impact eh!
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and i meant hexum

also, if you do it in sctions it is quite easy to build a treehouse. i have built many, the best being a 3.5 storey house i lived in for a month. it had shingles and stairs, and ladders and decks on each level. then the .5 was attached to some other trees where i had to swing out and hammer nails in. it was 10m off the ground and amazingly fun.
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Hmm, 10m? thats impressive for sure. Mine suspended one is 30 feet to the floor, so youre standing on the 4th storey.

I def dont think intrawest is the right route..i was thinking more along the lines of Govt grants from the forestries dept, talk to the minister of the environment who just announced a new initiative in exactly the areas I want, to involve more natives, and help restore their culture, help small communities with their community objectives, and all around good stuff.. not money. Shit turns sour when money is involved..

My goal is 50k, and with that I will build one home base log cabin on the ground, and one treetop lodge, with ziplines, cargo nets, and start the organic gardens.

It would be nice to start on private land so we could do what we want unbothered until we are finished.


anyways, i just want to keep spreading the good word until the right person hears me.

And if I EVER get a significant amount of cash, i know exactly where its going.
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