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When changing DIN settings...

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theVan
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I have heard the boot must be in the binding, and I have heard it doesn't matter. Any thoughts?
Dec 26 2013 2:07PM
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snowpocalypse
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If you are asking........ Just don't
But No it does not matter if you are adjusting the spring tension. I always adjust with boot out. put boot in and check all adjustment are right then test.
Dec 26 2013 2:15PM
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Bozite
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Usually, if you are asking these questions, just go to the shop that mounted your skis, they will adjust the din for free. You are saving yourself a broken leg or twisted ankle
Dec 26 2013 2:24PM
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theVan
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actually I am a certified technician, I always do it with the boot in, but everyone tells me I don't need to, or that it doesn't really matter at all. Given all the various opinions, I am guessing it's simply personal preference.
Dec 26 2013 7:32PM
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japanada
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With the boot in backwards, with the left boot in the right binding.
Dec 26 2013 9:36PM
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theVan
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I just tried that and it works so much better! I got my DIN to 8,400,000 with that tip!
Dec 26 2013 9:49PM
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Kreech
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I would say have the boot in the binding; on some bindings the din indicator moves slightly when you put the boot in so your actual value on snow would be different than your initial setting. I'm also a shop tech and I always adjust dins with the boot in, and all the skis I run through the tester are test much more accurately than when I used to adjust without the boot in. In general, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference though. Also, if you work in a shop, why did you ask a bunch of teenagers on newschoolers instead of just asking your boss?
Dec 26 2013 11:22PM
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~Gotama~
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As you have just proven, not everyone on NS is a stupid teenager and there are some people who know what they are talking about. His boss is just a man and its always a good idea to cross-reference your information.
Dec 27 2013 1:24AM
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Blake.P
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This. There are a ton of super experienced techs and people who know what they are doing here. Maybe he always did it one way, and his boss thought he should do it the other way, and he wanted to get a third party opinion on the matter
Dec 27 2013 1:35AM
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No.Quarter
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I really don't understand the whole "if you are asking the question, you shouldn't be doing it yourself" thing. Is it really that important that I (or OP) take my skis to the shop just for them to turn the din up or down one din? Why cant I do that myself?

I know how to check (but not confidently set) forward pressure, so I know that if I am releasing when I don't want to and my forward pressure is correct, bindings are in good shape at contact points, etc, I should increase my din a little.
Dec 27 2013 1:54AM
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Kreech
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Totally true, but there are a lot more reputable sources of information to go to than newschoolers. For every experienced tech on newschoolers, there are many more kids who have no idea what they're talking about, and there's a lot of misinformation to be had. I think it's important to take everything you read on hear with a grain of salt and really consider where the information is coming from. And if we're talking forums, I think it's safe to say that TGR would be a better place to look for technical info, and even that's not perfect. I think probably the best thing he could have done would have been to contact a couple binding manufacturers to see what they had to reccommend.
Dec 27 2013 2:24AM
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onenerdykid
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The biggest reason is the legal issue of telling someone to set a DIN because you can be held responsible if they get hurt and decide to blame you.

Other reasons are all based around retention vs release and there are many factors in setting up a binding properly, and a few actually have to do with your boot, not just the binding. So if you don't know what you are doing, simply adjusting your DIN can be the wrong thing to adjust. It is best to take your setup to a shop and have them perform all of the various adjustments that need to be done.
Dec 27 2013 4:58AM
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k2andcannoli
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never want to fuck with a shop again and make bank mounting binding for friends?

just buy one of these.
http://www.vermontskisafety.com/vssehome.php
Dec 27 2013 7:52AM
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Kreech
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That thing looks like a huge liability. If you adjust your friends' bindings for them without being certified by the binding manufacturer and using all of the proper equipment and one of your friends tears an ACL and his/her parents decide to sue your family for the medical costs associated with an injury due to an improper binding adjustment, you are in a world of shit. Pro tip: bring your shop pizza/beer/whiskey/etc. when you bring your skis in and your experience will be enhanced 10X. You'll get your shit faster and probably won't have to pay a fee.
Dec 27 2013 1:35PM
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theVan
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I did ask pretty much everybody at the shop I respect, including my boss. They all say it's not really needed to mess with the boots. My intuition however prefers to do it with the boot in the binding and after I set the forward pressure. I mostly just wanted additional opinions. I don't have a TGR account though I suppose I should get one, it's a great forum.
Dec 27 2013 6:21PM
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Iliveinutah
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well thats sad, you need to retake your binding certs again.
Dec 28 2013 12:35AM
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Kreech
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You have one of the best sigs I've seen on any site
Dec 28 2013 1:16AM
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k2andcannoli
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Well...that machine that I linked would be the "right equipment" and as for binding certs, I got'em all, soli, marker, look, vist, ty...I can even work on dynafits and install tech inserts in boots.

I can do any service a normal shop can, save grinds...but im trying to get a wet sand grind going, which will make my base welds easier to clean up.
Dec 28 2013 9:51AM
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tomPietrowski
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What jigs do you have? That's the biggest factor I think. Paper templates suck to use and I would never let someone use one to mount my skis, there is just way to much potential for slight errors. Also you end up waiting for paper templates. Go see if you can find a Salomon warden template online whereas most Salomon dealers would have had a jig for them for a while.
Dec 28 2013 10:38AM
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k2andcannoli
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Sorry for jacking your thread

lil back story. I used to manage a shop at my home mtn back in MD. The resort went bankrupt, it was bought by a big company. They wanted to run their own shop instead of leasing it to us. So our shop closed after 57 years.

...I bought everything I could afford. I now have a complete shop minus the machines...I took ALL the jigs, even the really old useless ones. A basewelder, a lifetime supply of low flouro, countless roto brushes, irons, random parts for sb bindings, pretty much everything. I even got all the goggle displays and vinyl posters.

But no I dont have that particular jig.
Dec 28 2013 12:46PM
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tomPietrowski
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That is cool but obviously not a huge help moving forward. You will be missing alot of the new jigs unfortunately but the servicing kit would be awesome. Shame they didn't have a wintersteiger base grinder.
Dec 28 2013 2:14PM
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k2andcannoli
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O we did all the big equipment was sold to a shop in WV, they replaced their old stuff.

I would have never be able to afford the parts and service to keep it running for very long.

Jigs are real expensive new, so I doubt ill ever buy anymore. But a handmade jig isn't impossible, especially with all the old parts I have.
Dec 28 2013 5:52PM
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theVan
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Actually it's not sad. It's really happy! I will not be "retaking again", cockslinger.
Dec 29 2013 12:33AM
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