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MARCHILLY
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Do you think that there are too many start up ski companies? For such a small market, the market can only become so big. I like the idea behind the, rider owned, rider produced companies, (4frnt, line, etc.)But there are so many now it seems. After 4frnt started it seems like a bunch followed trying to capture the same market. Some body please enlighten me on how these young start up (after 4frnt) companies are goin to make it?
Dec 6 2004 1:43PM
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Capt.Flannel
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I don't think there are too many. It just gives people a chance to ride what they really want to ride and not have to sacrifice any attribute they really want in skis.




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Dec 6 2004 1:44PM
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C.J.
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Many companies is a great thing, the more companies the more competition. The more the competition the better the skis and prices we(the consumer) will see. Simple economics.
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Dec 6 2004 2:26PM
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PowderCanuck
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I think we may see one or maybe even two of the less popular companies go bankrupt. Freeskiing is a pretty small market, and when there are too many companies taking pieces from this little pie, someone is bound to get a really small piece.



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Dec 6 2004 2:32PM
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fredsters_s
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yes but we should still supprt and encourage them...not bitch them like everyone does liberty
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Dec 6 2004 2:35PM
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C.J.
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^ possible, or a larger companie will buyout a smaller company, but keep using their technology.
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Dec 6 2004 2:36PM
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Sharpy
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there isn't much technology change in skiing lately. It's not like high tech stuff.
Dec 6 2004 2:40PM
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Typical
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All of these small companies are good for the sport. These core companies give our sport more defenition from lesiure skiing and racing. I can bet that some of these new companies may drop off, but im sure many will stay too.
Dec 6 2004 2:41PM
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MARCHILLY
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yeah, i see how that could happen.
Dec 6 2004 2:41PM
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fredsters_s
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yes but we should still supprt and encourage them...not bitch them like everyone does liberty
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Dec 6 2004 2:42PM
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NickMartini
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i am in full support of small companies



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Dec 6 2004 2:44PM
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MARCHILLY
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yeah i think if thats what people want to do, i support as well.
Dec 6 2004 2:51PM
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C.J.
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I support who ever makes the best skis, or the skis I'm riding. Not because their a small company and need the help, I think the new ski companies need to prove them selves by lasting a while in the market, that deserves support.
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Dec 6 2004 2:52PM
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UTmeathead
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^How are they supposed to last if no one supports them smart guy?
Dec 6 2004 3:19PM
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aclsarescary
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I will only buy skis from the 'core' companies, from the niche I will pick the ski that i feel suits my needs and has what I need. Even if there is a larger company (with the exception of K2) that has a better product, I will not buy from them again, or untill a significant change in buisness practices occurs.
Dec 6 2004 3:25PM
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Girays_Brother
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theres def ashitload of new ski brands, its getting crazy, but just more to choose from
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Dec 6 2004 3:30PM
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Durtschi
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good, whoever makes bones will be around in the long run






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Dec 6 2004 3:40PM
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MARCHILLY
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^^^ that was my orignal thought. hope it werks out for the best though.
Dec 6 2004 3:52PM
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dirtyswede
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cjspeed16 said it best. more companies=more competition. more competition=less money for us to pay, just look at snowboarding for instance. much more companies than skiing has. now a 'expensive' snowboard is around 300 bucks, and if that were a pair of skis that would be one dank ass deal!

Dec 6 2004 4:00PM
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MARCHILLY
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the reason the skiz cost so much is they need to profit from their COST. they can't start charging much less until it costs substacially less to make skiz. my piont is just dont the all skiers that will consume all the skiz that are being made by this new front of companies.
Dec 6 2004 4:09PM
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Thomson.
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More companys - more to choose from, more to fit you 'style' | More companys - more sponsors for us :) | More companys - more competition (said my cjspeed)

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Dec 6 2004 5:51PM
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MARCHILLY
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yes i agree...im just saying thers not that many skiers.
Dec 6 2004 6:13PM
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Girays_Brother
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i think i know what ur saying, with all these new companies, theyre going to be sharing customers much more which would decrease market for other companies, eventually if there more and more ski companies, lots of older ones will go broke because of the lost of costumers
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Dec 6 2004 6:16PM
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FUUUCK
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i dont support small companies other than faction db and 4frnt. anything after that isnt bringing anything new to the table, liberty doesnt have any new and ground breaking technologies like line or DB. and they arent using any new specs like the prophet
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Dec 6 2004 6:27PM
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ryan.c
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the more ski companies the betta casue more choice of skies for people to choose from



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Dec 6 2004 7:05PM
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ScratchCobra66
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i think its cool because everyone is riding different stuff.







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Dec 6 2004 7:09PM
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kendrick
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marc
You're onto something here.
they're not all going to make it, unfortunately. Only the strong (and well-backed) companies with the most heart may survive. If there are tough times, only heart and backing will pull the company through. Look at Freeze... they were funded by a company without its heart in skiing.
Dec 6 2004 7:16PM
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Geoffrey
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more ski companies = more competition = better skis = yay



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Dec 6 2004 7:20PM
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pat-rickdaigle
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it's good to see all these companies and i don't believe it'll hurt anythign, the more the better is the way i see it.

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Dec 6 2004 7:21PM
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Meh42
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Take a look at skateboarding, there are never too many until you hit the level they have, where every neighborhood has its company. Hopefully it will never get that bad as making skis requires huge amounts of startup cash, while you can start putting graphics on skateboards for about 100 bucks.
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Dec 6 2004 7:30PM
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MARCHILLY
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yeah, i guess we will see how it turns out for these guys.
Dec 7 2004 7:35PM
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kjfreerider
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i want the upstart companies to push out the big companies out of the market. then we wouldnt have to deal with salomon and dynastar.




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Dec 7 2004 8:29PM
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Spam_Man_1500
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Hopefully big ski companies will cut their prices to like, one hundred dollars which will cause the other smaller companies to become poor and die. Or maybe that is a bad idea, but I want some cheap skis somehow!!
Dec 7 2004 9:54PM
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keep wishing^
Dec 7 2004 10:54PM
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aclsarescary
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Prices will not drip if there is no one buying the product. Competion is good if there are people to compete over.
Dec 7 2004 11:15PM
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Rbamf
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aclsarescary is right. competition drives prices down. so, the more ski companies, the less expensive that skis will become.
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Dec 7 2004 11:21PM
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KeegLove
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Dec 8 2004 12:20AM
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Jaskittin
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Yeah, and the more ski companies, the more those companies are going to strive to make a more popular ski, which results in better skis being made, and better prices on them. Bring on all the ski companies that wanna start.























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Dec 8 2004 12:38AM
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Campeador
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new companies are cool and can drive the sport but what I see is these dudes who cannot get sponsored so they start their own half ass company just to be able to sponsor themselves and their friends, its kind of a joke but hell, what do I know?



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Dec 8 2004 12:42AM
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aclsarescary
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^that seems kinda like whats happening right now, but what will happen is if there products are shitty then they'll either have to drop out or they will be forced to make a better product, and maybee eventually they will be a big company.
Dec 8 2004 3:33AM
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jimmyv
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In another market more companies > more competition might make for lower prices, but if you think this'll happen in skiing you're having a laugh.

The freeskiing market is still niche and the smaller companies just won't be able to benefit from the economies of scale that the larger companies enjoy, so it's not in their interest to reduce prices - it would be suicide, the larger companies know this so know that they've no need to reduce their prices...

It might make for better skis though, yet how much of the technology used by these 'core' companies is really original and how much is it just hype ? Or has the industry just found another way of profiting from a changing market ?

Sorry for the nerdy first post...
Dec 8 2004 6:01AM
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Pooksmasterflex
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i have full support for new and upcoming companies...it expands our sport, and lets individuals pick their specific ski....look at the skatebording world, they have hundreds of companies, and skatebording is a huge sport...if skiing had that many companies it would also grow
Dec 8 2004 7:36AM
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jimmyv
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Yeah, but look at how many people skate...

I'm not dissing the small companies, all power to them, I just think it's unrealistic to think they will radically change the ski industry. One or two of them will probably make it, the rest will die and new small makes take their place. Meanwhile the ones that make it will join the big boys with the same vested interests...
Dec 8 2004 8:21AM
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*SNOWPRO*
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It's good because they will have to make sicker skis to compete with other companies and thats better for us skierz
Dec 8 2004 8:39AM
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jtski
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ill stab out your eyes if you ever spell skiers with a Z again



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Dec 8 2004 11:52AM
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MARCHILLY
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im with jimmyv on this one.
Dec 8 2004 12:40PM
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