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Buying outerwear or skis the year it comes out.

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Radda
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Now I can relate with the idea that buying a sweet jacket or hoodie the year it comes out could be tempting, But buying skis the year they come out is just fucking retarted in my opinion. Take the t-halls for example, the skis has not changed in the past 3 years other than the graphics but i saw three people at my local mountain with them today. Same would go for the chronics, the scott jibs, a good portion of line skis excluding the afterbangs, due to an actual change in the ski, and so many more.Same goes with boots What do you guys think?
Dec 14 2013 10:35PM
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a_burger
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I try and avoid buying stuff new, but a lot of shops sell their old stuff off as soon as new stuff comes in. At the same time though if you buy the new stuff during dead times you can usually get it almost as cheap as the older model stuff. I bought this years new chronics this summer for 350 including bindings plus mount.
Dec 14 2013 10:41PM
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Radda
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That is insane man. I'm talking more along the lines of kids having there parents spend 600+ dollars on new skis just because the graphics are cool. But same here if the year is 2013 im going to try and get the 2012 gear.
Dec 14 2013 10:44PM
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ZeMagnificentKev
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Ya I think alot of people would agree with you, obviously when you're considering buying a product as expensive as ski's you should wait for reviews and get other people's thoughts on it. But here's a thought I had, if it weren't for people who buy products solely based on their love/dedication for that company, experience with the products earlier versions, or maybe just the hype of the products how would we more cautious buyers find out how shitty/amazing these products are?
TLDR: let rich people buy new products, who gives a fuck its there money, and they can tell us if its shit
Dec 14 2013 10:47PM
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Radda
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Yeah I agree with you on most of that. But the thing is, most ski models that have been around for a while that come out the next year are going to be the same as the year prior, so there isn't much to review. You could just ask someone who had the 2013 or 2012 version of the ski. Also, if it wasn't for rich privileged kids pumping money into the skiing economy then how would the sport stay alive.
Dec 14 2013 10:52PM
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Radda
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In most cases, its there parents money,
Dec 14 2013 11:09PM
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purplejumpsuit
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This is part of it, if you relate it to the ski world, starting at 11:00 for a few minutes.
http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html


The industry needs those people. You want more pro's to start making real money and actually be able to live off their skiing? Then the companies that sponsor them need people who are going to buy this years products.

Some of it is kids/people that don't know any better, some of it is pro deals, some of it is actually going out and wanting to fully support an awesome brand that they may be really stoked on. Whatever the reason, the way our society/industry works needs those peoples so it doesn't collapse.
Dec 14 2013 11:26PM
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Bogs
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You do realize that not only teenagers ski, right?
Dec 14 2013 11:27PM
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Radda
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You also do realize that 85%+ of the skiing economy is funded by teenagers right?
Dec 14 2013 11:41PM
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Bogs
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For some reason that I can't figure out, you're also forgetting that demos are a thing. I'll explain. Most people, when they have to spend a lot of money on something, do whatever they can to make sure they will be happy with the product and aren't going to just be wasting money buying it. Ski shops realize this and so they have allow customers to essentially rent a model of ski for a day or two to try it out and see if they like it before buying it. Most shops will also knock some amount of money off the price of the ski if a customer demos it first. Customers appreciate this because, again, they don't want to spend a lot of money on a product they aren't going to end up liking, and because skis are expensive so the shop knocking something off the price tag makes life easier for them. Customers also realize that it's a total dick move to go to someone's shop and demo their ski only to leave and find last years model on the internet and buy it there. It's just basic human decency. Or, if not that, customers realize that it's within their best interest to try and stay on good terms with their local ski shop in case they ever need help from them with anything they can't learn on the internet
Dec 14 2013 11:44PM
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Bogs
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where'd you get that number from?
Dec 14 2013 11:47PM
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-MK-
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They want to look "steezy" and since their rich white kids they'll bitch to their parents and they'll buy it for them in hopes their kids wont be beaten to shit for being broke like their unfortunate asses were.
Dec 14 2013 11:49PM
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theTRIBE101
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I agree with OP's original post, but sometimes the 2011, 2012, 2013 etc gear isn't available any more. I had to buy this year's recoil's for $626 with tax because they were out of all other years in my size. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
Dec 15 2013 12:02AM
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Radda
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Go look out on the mountain man. At my local mountain I count at least 40 kids with brand new 2014 saga suits and new skis. And maybe 5-6 18-25 year old guys with brand new stuff. Just look around its pretty easy to spot.
Dec 15 2013 12:05AM
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-MK-
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Oh yeah, because you HAVE to buy brand new recoils because they are the ONLY good park ski
Dec 15 2013 12:06AM
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Radda
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Or he really likes the feel of the ski and was willing to put in a little extra to satisfy himself
Dec 15 2013 12:10AM
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-MK-
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Oh I am sure he is.... ;)
Dec 15 2013 12:14AM
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Lh@stings
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I got last year's saga pant, last year's after bang, and last year's brand new Tom Wallisch full tilts all for 470 dollars. Great deal for great stuff. If I bought that stuff all new it would be over 1,000
Dec 15 2013 12:16AM
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oil.
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OP IZ SO WIZE WOW LETS ALL LISTEN 2 HIZ INFINITE WIZDUM LOLZ

-joined april 2013
Dec 15 2013 12:23AM
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Bogs
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That sounds, at best, like an incredibly unreliable and inaccurate way to figure out market data.
Dec 15 2013 12:25AM
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Radda
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Is it different where you live?
Dec 15 2013 12:27AM
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JeffreyStevens49
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The problem with this thread...id say around 60% of teens have ALL of their gear paid for by their parents, so assuming that, they're spoiled brats, and will demand the best gear possible, its how a good amount of my friends are.
Dec 15 2013 12:31AM
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mnskier.
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I understand this, but the al dentes are so buttery and this is it's first year on the market.
Dec 15 2013 12:35AM
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Bogs
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No idea. I would struggle to pick a saga suit out of a lineup of saga suits. I also am not going to pretend that I know every possible piece of new gear released every year. For example, I'm sure The North Face released a whole bunch of new shit that i've never heard of, let alone seen before, in my life. And, unless you are 100% up to date on every new piece of gear released every year, I have no idea how you can make, or even think you can make, any kind of accurate statement about ski market demographics just by looking at people in the lift line.

But, seeing as you feel comfortable doing so, i assume you can name me every new ski jacket, pant, glove, mitten, helmet, goggle, pole, ski, boot, etc. released this year by every outerwear manufacturer in the world and tell me all the different colors each jacket comes in, so kudos to you for knowing so much about so many different companies, it can't be easy to learn all that every year.
Dec 15 2013 12:37AM
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Radda
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I work at a company in which i get access to a website called www.3point5.com and there I study the new products companies such as north face put out. so yes, it is not very hard for me to decipher a new jacket from an old jacket.
Dec 15 2013 12:39AM
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Bogs
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And you're 100% correct 100% of the time? And you can do the same with pants? And goggles? And helmets? And mittens/gloves? And poles? And boots? And skis? And bindings? And insulating layers?
Dec 15 2013 12:43AM
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Radda
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I don't know why you are getting so defensive about the situation but its not that hard to tell a 2014 saga or north face jacket from a jacket in a prior year. but if that still makes you angry then i don't know what to tell you.
Dec 15 2013 12:47AM
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Bogs
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I'm not mad. More confused, really. Just trying to figure out how you can be so sure (or even think you can be sure) that 85+% of the ski economy is funded by teenagers just by looking at the lift line without knowing these things.
Dec 15 2013 12:53AM
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FerrisBueller
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What about a ski that has been newly designed and re-vamped like the Al Dente, nose rocker and much softter version of the ARV???
Dec 15 2013 12:57AM
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tsk94
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That is so incredibly far from the truth it's unreal.
Dec 15 2013 1:03AM
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Bogs
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See, that's what I thought, but then op told me all about how he looks at the lift line and sees kids in saga suits, so it has to be true.

Starting to think op is about as smart as my jizz rag. I think my jizz rag takes it, though. After all, my jizz rag can clean up cum whenever i need it to, which I doubt op can do.
Dec 15 2013 1:14AM
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GeorgiaJibber
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-Got brand new saga pants+suspenders from last year for $100
-Got last years Wallisches for $330
-Got last years receptor bug for $90

I had a 50% savings on almost every item, and the saga pants pretty much got downgraded from last years to this years(Last years were 3L while tis years are 2L)

Dec 15 2013 1:22AM
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iH8pow
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not just that kids bitch, keep in mind the children of divorces where parents try to overcompensate and make up for what they've done by buying top of the line everything. or if not divorced, lots of parents are well off and want their kid to be on top of the line stuff, whether it be for safety reasons (may not relate to skiing as much as cars), or for the status of themselves. if their 16 year old kid looks good, parents look good

and that stat of 85% of ski industry revolves around teens--maybe park ski industry but even that is hugely exaggerated. look at out west, resorts make almost NO money on the young adults. The only reason these resorts thrive is on all the rich old people who like to go to Vail mostly just so they can tell everyone they did.

I pro-formed my pants new 5 years ago when i worked at a shop, bought year old jacket a few years ago as well. my alpha 1's might have been new though i dont remember
Dec 15 2013 1:48AM
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deleted5
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So why do you care? If a dad wants to spend 600$ on his kids skis, how does that in any way effect you?
Dec 15 2013 2:12AM
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Dr.Dickless
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Exactly, why would I wait for next years stuff to come out when I can get the this years stuff on pro form for less?
Dec 15 2013 2:19AM
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BskiP
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Ha!! That may be the most hilarious thing I've ever heard. Check out the press kits on each ski magazines website. A ton to be learned there. Freeskier and powder will give you a pretty good idea of the demographics involved.
Dec 15 2013 2:37AM
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twatt_chaurus
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OP didn't have rich parents and now hes jealous.
Dec 15 2013 4:16AM
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HuckNorris44
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Exactly. Got brand new Full Tilts, AR7s and FKS bindings for under $600. All new shit. Sell your old shit to fund new stuff.
Dec 15 2013 4:50AM
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olic
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If people want to buy the new stuff and fund the industry why would you want to stop them? If no one bought the new stuff those companies would probably go out of business, or at least suffer dramatically...

Maybe OP actually hates the ski industry?
Dec 15 2013 8:56AM
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GaryColeman
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because their kid wearing 2014 xxxxl sagaand listening to wu tang makes parents look really good.
Dec 15 2013 9:12AM
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k2andcannoli
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I hope skiing goes broke, all the pros retire or die, all the resorts close, and you all are forced to eat each other.
Dec 15 2013 9:19AM
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Mr.DarthVader
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ive said it once and ill say it again...... summer sales
Dec 15 2013 9:42AM
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brov1
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UNLESS you work at a shop i which case go ahead, especially if you get prodeals.
Dec 15 2013 10:38AM
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thedanimal
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Well im a teenager and I pay for all of my ski stuff except for passes. I'm not bitching about this because they drive me and pay for like 90% of all my passes and im very thankful for this. And on a budget of working a part time jobs for a moth in the summer I can't afford the new products, I got dqlbello Voodoos for 150, uses 2010 after bangs (that are in surprisingly good condition ) for 125, my jacket no longer had a zipper so I got a orange Xavier pro for 89 and oakley pants for 70 all the products are three years old except for the after bangs and the jacket . And I'm pretty happy to have some money left over in case anything breaks and I sold my old stuff for more then I bought it for
Dec 15 2013 10:45AM
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SKI.ING
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I would disagree with you here. I just bought boots at full price, plus the cost of a footbed. For boots if you wait it's so hard to find the right size in the boot that is right for you. Plus, the longer you wait, the less likely a fitter will be able to find a boot that truly fits you because he will be dealing with picked over stock. Another thing I would be wary of for boots is that in the summer and stuff the good boot fitters aren't around and they're doing other summer jobs so you will be getting 40% off but fitted by some guy who just asks for your shoe size.

So for boots I was fine with biting the bullet and just paying for the full deal.
Dec 15 2013 12:09PM
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Lou.
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I buy ski stuff in like june when everything is like 70 percent off. Only problem is that I then have to stare at them til snow comes
Dec 15 2013 12:13PM
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GayWolf420
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the most i dropped on gear this year was 500 for boots. all my shit is a year or two old. my jacket is like 4 years old, but is still going strong.
Dec 15 2013 12:23PM
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Chunter
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It's all about buying everything you need at the end of the season; then just rinse and repeat based on what you need. I beat up my j-mos pretty bad last season so I searched around and found brand new AR7's for $250 at my local shop just because they were out of season. The toughest part is then waiting half the year to ride them but if you have any patience, this is definitely the route to go.
Dec 15 2013 2:23PM
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Substitute
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I agree with that. I am 14 and my dad paid for half of my powder skis cause it was my birthday. Everything else i buy. I hate when parents buy there mids everything. I have full tilts but i bought them on ebay for $75 and a bern helment for $20 somewhere.

Stuff is cheap and it is out there. The best way to find good prices is to not be specific. Dont tell the guys at the shop you want Line afterbangs. Just say that you want new park skis. Another way to get prices you want is to find good deals online and print them out. Bring print outs to the shop and say that you can buy them for cheaper. Sometimes this works too.
Dec 15 2013 2:35PM
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j.engel
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I understand why suporting local shops is importand but I live in the city, and theres not a ski shop within a thirty minute drive and hen I can purchase my skis a year old, online, durring the summer it saves a boatload of cash and its a 5 minute walk to the post office instead. So normally I will only buy like outerwear at shops just beacause of the hefty price on skis and boots.
Dec 15 2013 2:55PM
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