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Judge Rules War Memorial Cross Must Be Removed

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BravoWhiskey5280
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/13/judge-rules-war-memorial-cross-must-be-removed-san-diego-mountain

Separation of Church and State has nothing to do with REMOVNG religion, all it means is that the Gov't shall not FORCE Americans to follow any religion. Having a Cross is not forcing anyone to do anything. It's called respect and tolerance. I'm Catholic and DO NOT fine offense when a Menorah is standing next to a Nativity. It seems tolerance is only for select groups. And when did the Gov't become THEM against US?!?! WE are the Gov't - the people!
Dec 14 2013 4:04PM
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El_Barto.
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Thanks Obama
Dec 14 2013 4:10PM
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howlongcanausern
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are not christian.
Dec 14 2013 4:13PM
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Sno.
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Dec 14 2013 4:17PM
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Aaaron.
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stay classy, san diege
Dec 14 2013 4:22PM
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Dr.Dickless
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lets get rid of the menorah too
Dec 14 2013 4:22PM
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JAHpow
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Typical BS from our government
Dec 14 2013 4:27PM
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theabortionator
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They still got that giant one on the side of 81. Do people really think spending stupid amounts of money on a cross is a great idea? People are really going to drive by see the cross and think, "they spent a lot of money on that, there must be something to this religion".


That said I don't get cases like these. I feel like some of this shit is just to make headlines. Who has time for some of these cases? The legal system is fucking strange some times.
Dec 14 2013 4:44PM
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987321654hgfd
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#ThanksObongo
Dec 14 2013 4:44PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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WE as in the millions of catholics and christians in this country.
Dec 14 2013 4:46PM
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squibble
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I really don't care
Dec 14 2013 4:47PM
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TheClap.
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'merica
Dec 14 2013 4:51PM
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Ben.
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Damn, thought maybe this guy had been banned, he hasnt made a stupid thread in quite some time.
Dec 14 2013 4:53PM
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GayWolf420
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in other news, Utah judge overturned the ban on polygamy here lol
Dec 14 2013 5:00PM
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theBearJew
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So funny... Violation of separation of church and state? Tell me why gay marriage is illegal....? Oh yea, religious beliefs.
Dec 14 2013 6:08PM
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stickski
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you understand the term really well... There aren't any state churches or tax dollars going toward religious purposes. I'll give you that gay marriage argument, it really should be legal and isn't because of religion. But you think people should somehow cast off their religious beliefs like a jacket when they vote? Religion is a part of who people are and I know NS vehemently disagrees with religion but I just don't see it happening that people will vote against what they believe.
Dec 14 2013 6:19PM
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theBearJew
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I completely agree with you. True separation of Church and State is a very hard thing to accomplish. And it will probably never happen. I just always laugh when pretty much anything is ruled on because of separation of Church and State because they make those rulings on some things, but ignore it on others. The government is frustrating, but we already knew that.
Dec 14 2013 6:23PM
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sherwood4099
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The constitution prohibits the government from establishing religion ie forcing a state religion like theocracies in the middle east. And it protects the free expression of religion (like this cross in the article).
Seperation of church and state is not featured in our founding documents in its modern interpretation. The founders idea of Seperation of church and state was preventing something like the church of England being imposed on us by government.

The constitution does more to protect the public demonstration and expression of religion then it does prevent it. Atheists can rub atheism in your face Christians can rub Christianity in your face and display it in public. In America you don't have any right to avoid religion from being promoted in public.

Taking down this cross goes against American values, is intolerant and wrong

I am an atheist but for god sake when did it become offensive to display religious symbols or promote it in public?
Dec 14 2013 7:45PM
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AT-AT
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My thoughts, almost verbatim.
Dec 14 2013 7:48PM
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Shredsterr
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Yes. Fucking exactly.
Dec 15 2013 12:45AM
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K-Dot.
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OP: everyone needs to be more tolerant... But I won't tolerate this!
Dec 15 2013 12:59AM
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deleted5
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If you don't agree with this you are wrong.
Dec 15 2013 1:00AM
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saskskier
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I thought crosses have been used as war memorials for ages and ages. Why is it an issue now?

Arlignton:
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WWII American War Cemetary (Florence, Italy)
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Dec 15 2013 1:02AM
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theBearJew
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Or maybe those small crosses are used for Christians/Catholics who died in the wars? And they have Jewish Stars for the Jewish soldiers who died in the war.
Dec 15 2013 11:19AM
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skiierman
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You'd be right except THOSE ARE CEMETERIES AND NOT MEMORIALS.

I don't see how this is surprising. It's a giant fucking cross that was built with taxpayer money in a public park. I don't see why you're all getting so upset over a piece of stone located in a park that you never would have seen anyways. I guess the stronger your religious beliefs are, the more urge you have to act like a little bitch.
Dec 15 2013 11:29AM
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GayWolf420
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would be pretty neat to see that fucker go up in flames doe
Dec 15 2013 11:32AM
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Logey.
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It's just a bunch of people finding something to complain about. If you read the article, they sued the memorial service. The people complaining are just trying to make a quick buck, not actually change anything.
Dec 15 2013 11:36AM
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skiierman
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Oh yes, they're making so much money over having that cross removed... oh wait, you think suing is just to get money? Hahaha, wow, amazing.
Dec 15 2013 11:53AM
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saskskier
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Who's upset?
Dec 15 2013 11:57AM
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JAHpow
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I couldn't have said it better myself, just I'm not an atheist.
Dec 15 2013 12:05PM
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Bill.Nye
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Would you find offense in me putting a huge quote from the Quran at the 9/11 memorial? After all, dozens of innocent American Muslims were in the buildings and killed in the attack.

The only way to respect any faith is to leave all faiths out of public life.
Dec 15 2013 12:12PM
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Bill.Nye
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There may be a lot of Christians in this country, but we are a secular nation explicitly according to the law. You are not the only religious group in the US and many Americans belong to no religion at all and have no faith. The only way to respect everyone is to favor no one.
Dec 15 2013 12:23PM
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Logey.
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No I don't think suing is just to get money, but when people are suing because something is "a slap in the face" I find it rediculous.
Dec 15 2013 12:59PM
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Spagett+
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Yeah that thing should be removed. its ugly and obnoxious .
Dec 15 2013 1:02PM
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skiierman
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Then why did you post that in this particular situation someone is suing because they just want some money? I agree this is all frivolous but you clearly didn't make the connection that the pile of cement is being removed as a result of the lawsuit.






You're a fucking idiot.
Dec 15 2013 1:03PM
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fupaface
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God damn doesnt the federal government, and people in general have bigger fuckin fish to fry. I mean seriously, it embarrasses me to be an american these days, because it seems like ninty percent of americans just walk around with their fuckin head up their ass.
Dec 15 2013 1:11PM
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Benson.
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Dec 15 2013 1:13PM
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Jeebus.
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Thats fucking bullshit. These fucking liberals are ruining this country.
Just FYI america is a christian nation… Fucking retard socialists, move to france already.
Dec 15 2013 2:11PM
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skiierman
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Oh look, it's the Fabio of gypsies.
Dec 15 2013 2:15PM
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Benson.
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LOL
Dec 15 2013 2:17PM
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stickski
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Mormons believe Jesus was the messiah. Otherwise, point well taken.
Dec 15 2013 2:36PM
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deleted5
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Yeah and Jesus was white.
Dec 15 2013 3:04PM
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Jeebus.
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Since were just stating facts, the pope shits in the woods.
Dec 15 2013 3:24PM
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skiierman
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Don't you mean, we're? You know as in, WE ARE.
Dec 15 2013 3:31PM
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Trace.
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It's about the government not endorsing any specific religion. Your hypothetical "them" is still the collective we .
Dec 15 2013 3:50PM
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Benson.
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Dec 15 2013 4:31PM
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louie.mirags
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I can claim just about anything and you would want proof. Except for Religion. You just have faith in that. Proof everything else, Religion none. See a problem there OP????
Dec 15 2013 4:38PM
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Jeebus.
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What about all the christian veterans that died, and deserve that memorial. You do realize a HUGE percentage of the people that go into the military are christians and catholics right??
Dec 15 2013 5:27PM
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deleted5
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So because A lot of people do it, that makes it right?
Dec 15 2013 6:35PM
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skiierman
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What about all the other non-Cristian verterans that died? You might be sexy but you're one dumb fuck if you think a cross is the only way to honor fallen soldiers.
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