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onenerdykidmake sure to buckle your boots on a medium tension.
Sh4dowWhy only medium? I always used to buckle them as tight as they go when not in use. Is there any harm in doing so?
Sh4dowWhy only medium? I always used to buckle them as tight as they go when not in use. Is there any harm in doing so?
rozboonYou will deform the shell. If you don't ride with them cranked all the way up (and I'm assuming you don't) then why would you want to force the plastic into a different shape when you're not using them?
onenerdykidAs just mentioned, no need to overdo it. A medium tension will ensure that things stay wrapped, which is all you really want to achieve. Any tighter is simply unnecessary and could lead to weird issues developing.
sammymacI feel like my boots don't hold my ankle down enough,they are fully tightened but my heel still lifts,anything I can do to stop this?
onenerdykidIf your buckles are fully tightened but you are still getting heel lift, it sounds like your boots might be too big for you.
Try this: remove the liner from the shell, (while wearing a thin ski sock) put your foot in the shell, slide your foot to the front so your toes just barely touch, and measure the distance between your heel and the back of the shell. 1cm = high performance fit, 2cm = normal, 3cm = too big.
If you have 3cm or more, then you are in the wrong size boot for sure and any padding that could be added will only sort of work, rather than solve the problem. Report back with how much space you have and we'll go from there.
sammymacI think they are are too big... when I measured I got 3cm
tomPietrowskiIf this is the case, then really its time to start saving for new boots. If the boot is too big then all you can ever hope to do is add material to try and tighten the fit. However it will be a never endeing battle. As your liner packs you will need more and more foam to try and keep them tight.
Your best bet is probably to start again at this point. Research the best boot fitters around you rather then researching boots. Its the job of teh fitter to select the best boot for you, so the best thing you can do is find the best fitter you can.
sammymacI will try.i got the boots for free of a family friend(full tilt hot doggers)but i don't have the money for a new pair of boots and my ski season starts in 40 or so days(Australian) so Im kinda screwed...
tomPietrowskiWell maybe you can sell them? What condition are they in? That way you can get a few bucks for them to put towards new boots.
If you really cant get new boots then a boot fitter can add foam to the liner and posibly the boot board to help reduce teh volume. It will help for a short time but will need redoing fairly regularry as teh liner packs in. If you go this route just be aware that it could get quite costly. adding foam could easily run you 20-40 bucks a time and you may need it doing a few times through the season. So think about your options but really the best bet will be to get some boots in the correct size for the start.
sammymacthey have only been skied 5 or so times,and very lightly skied on too, so i might consider selling them,but boots themselves in my country are extremely expensive so time to start saving!
tomPietrowskiWell if they are that new and you are getting movment in teh boots they are certainly too big. The liners wont have fully packed in yet so those boots will get bigger still which will obviously make them feel even looser. Who were they fitted for? does the shop offer any sort of fit garentee? Unlikly as they were not fitted for you but may be worth a try. If not then just remember your boots are your most inportant piece of kit. Spend more on them then anything else. You can ski happily on shitty skis but shitty boots will ruin your skiing.
sammymacyeah I guess so...I don't think the previous owner had them fitted. i will probably end up getting new boots next year,however my foot is still growing so I may grow into these boots still
gaper_assasinBoot bang/ Shin Bang
I ski in Dalbello voodoos, they're a great boot, real comfy, but i get boot bang so easy, even after a couple of days. i know its caused from landing backseat and loose boot buckles. but i still get it with tight boots and clean landings. anyone know how to stop it?
ayylmaothe custom insoles that were in them actually fit my foot very nicely and seem to hold my foot in place very well, and I don't get arch pains if I clip on the skis and flex around in them.
my understanding from reading this thread is that my instep probably isn't compatible with the boots instep, and this is blocking up blood flow from the top of the foot. OR is it that my pinky is being crushed against the side of the boot? There's no pain when they sit in there to begein with, but I do think there is a little bit of squashing. where do you think the problem arises, and is there anything I can do about it?
Double_Rainbowbroke off the bottom cable of my full tilt classics so now there is only the cable that holds the screw remaining but i have the cable and buckle still sort of attached. can i just get a new cable or do i need all new everything
LemuelI'm currently skiing a 27.5 Full Tilt (classic shell). They fit great and I love just about everything about them except they are so stupidly soft. I'm toying with the idea of getting new boots this season because I have over 150 days on them (3 seasons) and they are a bit sloppy. I have a few friends that size down to get a more performance fit. I'm thinking I should do the same. I work at a shop in the winter so I have all the tools to fiddle around with them. I also know how stupid it is to buy boots online, but the Overload 120 is on sale for such a good price.
I just did a shell fit on my FT's and there is at least 2 cm behind my heel (can almost get 2 fingers back there depth wise). I think my foot is shrinking because I skied a 28.5 Rampage for 4 years before the FT's and they were awesome as well.
We had the waymaker 90 in my shop last season and that boot fit very well, but way too soft. From what I can gather the Overload 120 has a similar last? I should probably be smart and wait to try boots on in my shop come November.
onenerdykidIf you were thinking the Classic is too soft, the Overload 120 will (most likely) not be too soft for you. But if it does end up being a bit stiff for you, it can be softened to a true 110 with our Flip Chip on the back of the boot.
The last of the Overload uses exactly the same lower last as the Waymaker, but with a completely different cuff which is one of the tallest on the market. So, since you have already had the Waymaker on, the Overload will feel the same in the lower shell but with more support in the cuff. The liner will also be more supportive and customizable than the 90 level you tried on.
tomPietrowskiAlso just to add I found that length wise although the clog is the same the overlord did feel a little shorter to me then the waymaker. It's because the waymaker has more forward lean. So if you are not sure on length the overlird may giv the sense of a smaller fit.
With reagrds to length. Do a couple of things. Firstly do a true unweighted measurement. Sit and rest your foot on the measurer. Ideally don't use a branoc. I don't like those things really. See if you can find the older wooden salomon ones those are great. Next what footbed do you have te option of? If it's super feet or surefoot you can't go much. But if you have sidas or boot dr an have a good fitter you can keep your foot pretty much at the unweighted size. I don't recomend goubg below your unweighted size as there is usually no need but it's getting the footbed right which will allow you to wear your "correct" size.
.MASSHOLE.Here is a question for Tom and Nerdykid:
I purchased a pair of Tecnica Cochise Pro Lites last season, PW liners for daily driver liners and kept the Palau for any sort of longer tours. I had both fit with a Superfeet footbeds. Unfortunately, I cannot buckle my lower buckles with these footbeds in without my foot numbing over the 1st? Cuneiform. However, I can ski without a footbed with no problem. Now, we know this now introduces another issue as I have no arch support. If I were to go to a bootfitter, would they be able to make me a custom footbed that still supports my arch but does not raise my foot as high as the Superfeet?
steezysprayerHi I have a pair of 2012 spk's that I love for park but this year I got some magic j's and I'm going out west for a while to ski powder/ big mountain I'm wondering if I can get away with using these. I would appreciate all the help I can get.
LemuelJust got my Overload 120's (27.5) and they fit like a damn dream. So stoked to finally get back into a performance boot that won't fold to the ground. Cuff height is absolutely perfect. Heel stays planted no mater how hard I flex forward. Teeny bit of pressure on my big toes, but that will disappear after the liners wear in a bit. Very snug for a wider last. On my FT's one boot felt super sloppy at all times while the other was perfect (1/2 size different in feet), while these feel great. Replaceable soles are an extra plus too. Boot snugs up very nicely for a 2 buckle. Thank you again Onenerdy and Tom for the advice!
tomPietrowski^ unfortunately it looks like you have left it too long to replace the heel and toe. Once you wear through the part that can be replaced you get to the shell it's self. If you wear this out there is very little you can do. Unfortunately it is probably time for new boots. I always recomend replacing heel and toe pieces when they get to within 5mm of the shell.
onenerdykidLike Tom said, your boots look pretty shot unfortunately. Furthermore, the only way you will know for sure is to buy new grip pads and then have your local shop check the heel and toe height with their boot norm tool.
There is for sure a chance that even after you buy new pads that they could still fail the boot norm test. But it's just one of those things that needs to be checked in order to be verified.
With your next pair of boots, definitely replace your grip pads sooner just so you don't begin to wear down the actual shell.
onenerdykidBump for new gear showing up and people looking to ask questions
neutralzombiei've been trying to find boots for a really long time, and even the ones i have felt fine when i got them, but i really hate them. to a point where i can't live apres ski in boots and have to take breaks in between runs. my feet go numb and sometimes getting the feeling back is painful if i leave them on too long. which i know is a bad thing, and i've read about potentials of fucking up my nerves. i can't tell you how many pairs i've tried to find a good fitting boot. i'm short, and i guess have wider feet, so i never looked into men's boots, and i find a lot of women's boots too narrow. mainly i'm wondering what's causing this problem, and i've been told to see a boot fitter, which seems the obvious answer to my problem, and investing into something... but my battle with ski boots sucks.
onenerdykidWhen companies make women's boots, 99.9% of the time the lower shell is the same as the guy version. Companies change the liner and cuff geometry. The good news about this is that you should be able to find boots in almost every possible width, which means you should be looking into boots from the 102mm/104mm categories.
What boots have you tried? What have you owned? Did you ever get proper footbeds made for them?
neutralzombiei've heard a lot about getting custom liners too. i have atomic boots, but i can't remember which model, and i also used to rent atomic during my first season switch from snowboarding to skiing, and have tried nordica which the fit i liked best, though never purchased or tried out, gave up on lange and salomon, finding them too narrow, but have also tried dalbello and technica, which i liked less, and probably something else i'm forgetting. i looked more towards all mountain boots, don't really see myself needing full tilts. concessions have always been relative to price range too, but now i think it's a good time to get something that won't feel like it's hindering me.
onenerdykidThe right boot will do wonders for your skiing (honestly, you won't even believe how you managed to ski before without them). This is why you should invest the time/drive to find a reputable boot-fitter in your area. If you tell us what area you are in, we could probably even help narrow the search down for you.
A boot-fitter is important because he/she will select the appropriate boot based on your foot shape, ankle flexibility, weight, previous experiences, and party based on what you would like to be doing with said boot. In addition, you should invest into proper, custom footbeds- you will not be able to have a truly well fitting boot without these. They are necessary for making the proper interface between your flexible foot and the rigid ski boot your foot is stuffed into.
As far as boot brands go, each brand makes a multitude of different fits. For example, here at Atomic, we have 95mm (super narrow), 98mm (narrow), 100 (medium) 101 (medium wide), 102 (wide) and every brand follows suit (with sometimes even more options). So to say that you don't fit well with brand X or brand Y, it's almost impossible to claim as there is no single fit associated with any brand these days. You might very hate one Atomic boot, but absolutely love another.
The boot-fitter will work with you to sort through all of the options and find the right match for your subjective biomechanical needs. Because there are so many factors in selecting the right boot, without someone there to assess your needs who also has a good selection of boots, it is pretty much near impossible to do on your own. Just go in with an open mind (meaning no brands or models "pre-selected") and see what works best for you.
