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Non_State_ActorThe firebird is a race boot correct? The liners are super thin and geared more towards fit than warmth. I've been hesitant to get into a race boot even though my foot is super low volume because my toes are always cold anyway.
dognutzyea its like a sorta more comfortable race boot.
the liners dont looks that thin thought compared to normal boots but they probably are.
i just need a really narrow three piece boot but it doesn’t seem to exist last i looked
jimbobsCurrently in some Technica Mach 1 110 LV's and I'm getting 360* pain where the 2nd bottom buckle is. I can leave that 2nd buckle completely undone and it's still slightly too tight around my foot, starts to hurt after an hour or two. Everything else about the boot is perfect, what should I have done to the boot? It's totally stock, no customization yet.
profa_212Like instep? And the pain goes around to the sole/arch of your foot? First step would be proper insoles to stabilize the foot. And make sure the tendons in your arch are not being overstretched.
jimbobsYep, sorry I didn't know the word for it. Pain wrapping around the instep/arch area. Do I need to visit a bootfitter for insoles? I'm assuming there's probably some fitting work involved there.
BallClapperI finally bought boots. Got shell molded and a custom footbed. Tried them on today and didn't like what I felt. Almost like my ankle/ heel moving a bit side to side when i lean "on edge" (Have not skied them yet) and something hard poking my ankle knob things on the lateral side. I don't know if I should ski them to find out because the shop I got them from will let me return if they haven't been skied. And it's a Holliday so I cant go in and talk to my bootfitter. Never had a boot that fit properly so I don't know how it's supposed to feel, is this all normal? @tomPietrowski @onenerdykid
AnotherandrewWent from drop kick pros that were too big to atomic hawx ultra xtd 130 boas. (They fit, and the 130s were on sale)
The boot fitter said that the fit is fantastic, so got it punched and custom footbeds.
Went skiing, and bam, backseat.
I went back to them, and they put a booster strap on.
I can put forward pressure on groomed stuff, but the chunkier, bumpier, and steeper, I'm backseat.
Is there hope?
It feel like as soon as I put a hard pressure forwards, I get thrown back at the turns apex. To keep the forward pressure, I find I need to hinge at the hips, but I thought that is not the way to go.
I'm hoping it's forward lean, needing spoilers, or a technique issue. I see mixed reviews around stiff boots for skiers who struggle to flex them.
I ski better as soon as I loosen the cuff buckles.
Someguy9Ok so heres some context
my home mountain is winter park, i ski about 65-35 park-mountain but when I’m not in the park I’m skiing bumps. I have last years k2 method, which has a 100 flex. Last year I had the k2 sc diverge which was a 120 flex. My old boots were too small and a little too stiff for my liking. So all season until today I’ve had no problems with my new boots, I like how they feel and they fit great, but today I was skiing off of challenger for the first time this year and my feet hurt like hell, mainly in my arch. There is no pain when I’m skiing park or groomers and there’s no pain in my shin, ankle or anything. Has anyone had a similar problem before or has any advice on how to help with the pain?
Non_State_ActorDo you have a custom footbed?
Someguy9I dont
fdWEARerhey guys. I am in a tough spot. I have fishcer ranger 120s. size 25.5 my feet mesurerd at a 26.5, and I have sized down for a performance fit. the problem is my feet still slide around like crazy forward and backwards inside the boot. i have bad toe bang, heel lift, and some shin bang. these boots were custom fit by a boot fitter. I have foam shin inserts, custom footbeds that i just got posted aswell.. the boots have been vaccum fitted. I have gotten boots at this shop for 4 years, but the last 2 years my boots have been so bad, I don't like skiing much anymore. my feet slide around so much I feel unsafe skiing in the boots.
I have tried so much to get the boots to work. Am over a month into ski season, and all I have experienced is pain. Its not what feels good to ski in, its what hurts the least. I have tried putting in different liners sized down (25), I have tried food bed spacers. I was in the same boot last year , but size 26.5. this shop has been trying to make the fischer boots fit my feet for almost 1.5 years, and i feel i missed out on 1.5 years of skiing now. they only sell fischer boots, so I am wondering if I should try out other boots. only problem is I am now almost 1500 down the drain for boots that couldn't fit worse.
What should I
fdWEARerhey guys. I am in a tough spot. I have fishcer ranger 120s. size 25.5 my feet mesurerd at a 26.5, and I have sized down for a performance fit. the problem is my feet still slide around like crazy forward and backwards inside the boot. i have bad toe bang, heel lift, and some shin bang. these boots were custom fit by a boot fitter. I have foam shin inserts, custom footbeds that i just got posted aswell.. the boots have been vaccum fitted. I have gotten boots at this shop for 4 years, but the last 2 years my boots have been so bad, I don't like skiing much anymore. my feet slide around so much I feel unsafe skiing in the boots.
I have tried so much to get the boots to work. Am over a month into ski season, and all I have experienced is pain. Its not what feels good to ski in, its what hurts the least. I have tried putting in different liners sized down (25), I have tried food bed spacers. I was in the same boot last year , but size 26.5. this shop has been trying to make the fischer boots fit my feet for almost 1.5 years, and i feel i missed out on 1.5 years of skiing now. they only sell fischer boots, so I am wondering if I should try out other boots. only problem is I am now almost 1500 down the drain for boots that couldn't fit worse.
What should I do?
fdWEARerok guys, I got new boots. went to the largest local retailer, and tried on basically every pair of boots. Last pair I tried on before leaving ended up fitting me pretty well. It is a pair of roxa boots,500 bucks retail paid 100, with a 3 buckle design, the boots are 3 piece, The boots are way better than my last pair, as I do not get toe bang anymore. my feet still slide around in a 25.5 boot, while my feet measure 26.5. even though my feet still slide around, the toebox is shaped in a way I do not get toe bang even when toes smash the front, It just doesn't hurt. The flex is a little too soft 100, I was skiing 120s before. my heels still lift, but the heel lock is a tad bit better, some shin bang, and forward and back sliding happening still. Largest issue is my ankles are getting bruised up now.
however I would much rather ski these boots than my other pair, as I dont worry about my toe getting absolutely destroyed every second of every run anymore. I can ski more aggresive, as even though the boots are a tad to soft imo, and my feet still slide around. Like when I go from carving to a bunny hop, my feet slide from the back of the boots all the way to the front, and then I can bunny hop, a sort of video game style input delay is what it feels like. it's kinda sketch, but now that my toes dont hurt when my feet slide around, I feel way better. Just gotta figure out why my ankles are bruising now.
Rock_Inhabitantis zipfit worth the price or is it easier and cheaper to just get good fitting boots from the start
fdWEARerok guys, I got new boots. went to the largest local retailer, and tried on basically every pair of boots. Last pair I tried on before leaving ended up fitting me pretty well. It is a pair of roxa boots,500 bucks retail paid 100, with a 3 buckle design, the boots are 3 piece, The boots are way better than my last pair, as I do not get toe bang anymore. my feet still slide around in a 25.5 boot, while my feet measure 26.5. even though my feet still slide around, the toebox is shaped in a way I do not get toe bang even when toes smash the front, It just doesn't hurt. The flex is a little too soft 100, I was skiing 120s before. my heels still lift, but the heel lock is a tad bit better, some shin bang, and forward and back sliding happening still. Largest issue is my ankles are getting bruised up now.
however I would much rather ski these boots than my other pair, as I dont worry about my toe getting absolutely destroyed every second of every run anymore. I can ski more aggresive, as even though the boots are a tad to soft imo, and my feet still slide around. Like when I go from carving to a bunny hop, my feet slide from the back of the boots all the way to the front, and then I can bunny hop, a sort of video game style input delay is what it feels like. it's kinda sketch, but now that my toes dont hurt when my feet slide around, I feel way better. Just gotta figure out why my ankles are bruising now.
onenerdykidI mean this in the nicest way possible - this boot sounds like it is a horrible fit for you, probably a size and/or volume category too big.
Remove the liner, step into the shell with your bare foot, slide your foot to the front of the boot so your toes just barely touch, and examine the space behind your heel. 3cm = problematically too big, 2cm = normal, 1cm = performance fit.
You should also: get a custom footbed - this will create the necessary interface between your flexible foot that has evolved for walking and has no business being inside a ski boot.
Also also - don't search out the largest retailer, search out the best boot fitter in your area. Literally google that and see what comes up.
tokeagain_dylI have a pair of full tilt ascendent SC that I am now on my 4th season with. By halfway into my second season with them I have had to tighten them fairly hard and basically strangle my feet which causes pain. Last season I got custom footbeds which helped a bit. I am now noticing even with tightening them a ton I still have too much play in the boots. When skiing hard/ steep/moguls I have less control in my ankles and shins and feel like I cant control my skis. Are my boots just too worn out and its time for new ones? Could replacing the liner help? Just looking to be in control/ not have to put my feet in too much pain.
Non_State_ActorWere you fitted for these boots or just bought off the shelf. From your post I'd guess they are too big or too high volume for your foot. It doesn't sound like a packed out liner unless you ski a lot of days each season.
Non_State_ActorWere you fitted for these boots or just bought off the shelf. From your post I'd guess they are too big or too high volume for your foot. It doesn't sound like a packed out liner unless you ski a lot of days each season.
tokeagain_dylI was fitted for them. I sized down for them as well for more performance.
ArseneFoxWent to a bootfitter (like everyone), have wide flat feet. After trying on 3 boots he gave me a downsiwed Fischer Ranger One 130 and it felt good and boot hasnt been heat molded yet or anything.
The thing also, I always buckkle to max (and I do still get cramps but I accept this), and at the end of the skiing week, it still feels lose, like my feet isnt snug enough. Would it help to replace the liner with an Intuition 12mm? Would it work with the boot I have?
Kind regards
ArseneFoxWent to a bootfitter (like everyone), have wide flat feet. After trying on 3 boots he gave me a downsiwed Fischer Ranger One 130 and it felt good and boot hasnt been heat molded yet or anything.
The thing also, I always buckkle to max (and I do still get cramps but I accept this), and at the end of the skiing week, it still feels lose, like my feet isnt snug enough. Would it help to replace the liner with an Intuition 12mm? Would it work with the boot I have?
Kind regards
ArseneFoxWent to a bootfitter (like everyone), have wide flat feet. After trying on 3 boots he gave me a downsiwed Fischer Ranger One 130 and it felt good and boot hasnt been heat molded yet or anything.
The thing also, I always buckkle to max (and I do still get cramps but I accept this), and at the end of the skiing week, it still feels lose, like my feet isnt snug enough. Would it help to replace the liner with an Intuition 12mm? Would it work with the boot I have?
Kind regards
ArseneFoxWent to a bootfitter (like everyone), have wide flat feet. After trying on 3 boots he gave me a downsiwed Fischer Ranger One 130 and it felt good and boot hasnt been heat molded yet or anything.
The thing also, I always buckkle to max (and I do still get cramps but I accept this), and at the end of the skiing week, it still feels lose, like my feet isnt snug enough. Would it help to replace the liner with an Intuition 12mm? Would it work with the boot I have?
Kind regards
quagsireWhat kind of insole are you rockin?
mjkuby12Ended up in some 2024 atomic hawx ultra 110 after some boot issues last year. They fit my foot the best out of any boot I was able to try on after working with multiple local bootfitters. As I started to ski them, I ended up with more pain and more heel lift than I would like. Got some zipfits for this season. The zipfits worked ok to start but each day they became more and more uncomfortable. Feels like I just cant flex the boot. I had accepted that ski boots are uncomfortable. Until...
Fast forward to 2 weeks ago and I broke my old touring boots. I end up finding some 2020 hawx ultra xtd 120 on marketplace. From the first time I skied them they felt great. I started skiing them both in and out of bounds. As a result, I have seen my shin/calf bang completely disappear and I feel like I can once again flex the boot.
The easy answer is to keep skiing the xtd's and not worry about the resort boots, but if anyone has any answers to why the same boot (almost) feels so different I would love to hear it. I worry about the durability of the hybrid boot skiing primarily in bounds.
party_laps_ftwmy feet are just naturally "wide". well not really. idk. the outsides of my feet press up on the side and they go numb after abt 3 hrs of skiing, and the insides of my feet have maybe 5-10 mm of empty space between it and the boot, can i fix this?
Non_State_ActorDo you have a custom footbed/insole?
party_laps_ftwno, should I?
Non_State_ActorIt will help stabilize your foot in the boot.
Did you get fitted for these? The boot may not fit your foot very well.
party_laps_ftwnah i picked them up from a used gear shop randomly
snormanProbably an entirely wrong fitting boot for you, sounds like a mix of too wide and too big. Also the liner is broken in to someone else's foot, so will feel not right for you. Should go talk to a bootfitter who will look at your foot and who will let you know more than us keyboard warriors on this glorious website.
GetshiftyHow can you tell if you liners are heat moldable? I have this years Head Formula 130 mv with the Liquid Fit Liner.
Skied them one day and overall felt good no hot spots or pain, but front of foot went numb after 2 runs. Presumably because the liner hasn't been broken in and is tight.
Now wondering if it's okay to do the old oven heat mold to speed up the break in process. The liners have the paraffin wax injected already, just wondering if it's safe to chuck them in the oven.
snormanGet a good insole, foot probably went numb with lack of support. Do that before you do any molding or any shell shaping.
GetshiftyI have a brand new fully custom insole. Wore the boots yesterday around the house with thinner socks and didn't lose circulation, probably just need to pack out the liners a bit more.
treebeardI also have a Head boot with the liquid fit liner. Its been a few years but I'm almost positive I remember the shop guy saying you can't heat mold the liner after they've pumped in the liquid. Something with either the liquid itself, or maybe the little port for inserting the syringe can melt, either way they said don't do it
