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The Official: "What is wrong with my boots?" Thread

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onenerdykid
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This thread should be seen as an accompaniment to the "How To Buy Ski Boots" thread, more specifically aimed at solving a problem with your existing ski boots. Rather than clog up Gear Talk with countless repeating threads, please dump your boot-fitting related questions here and we will do our best to help you out.

Remember, nothing is a substitute for going to a real boot-fitter; they can see your foot, we can't. So if you can't get to a boot-fitter, or are frustrated with your current one, we can help point you in the right direction. Try to be as descriptive of your problem as possible and post pics if you can. The more information we get from you, the more successful we will hopefully be in helping you out.

Ready, set, go.


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Mikha197
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Hi! I have no valgus and can stand on single leg pretty well but when wearing the ski boot always found myself pressing first metatarsal head and pronating even with footbed. What is wrong with my boot?!
Jan 6 2019 2:56PM
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soupcan
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Looking for a little help here and possible suggestions.

so I recently got a pair of kryptons and overall I am very happy with the fit increased control and much more power compared to the old fulltilts. My problem is I have my right foot that is quite a bit larger than my left. My right foot measures a 26 where my left measured a 25 so I went into a 25 shell. I have proper custom foot beds which I am happy with and have served me well but I’m getting a small degree of heel movement in my left boot. Went to a local fitter and we talked about taking up a bit of volume with a shim in the left boot but this caused my heel to lift out of the plastic heel pocket causing some pain but giving me a more locked down feel.

Any suggestions? My next thought would be a piece of foam across the top of the liner on the left foot to decrease the volume a touch more and give that same great fit which I have on my right foot.

thanks
Jan 8 2019 8:49PM
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onenerdykid
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Mikha197Hi! I have no valgus and can stand on single leg pretty well but when wearing the ski boot always found myself pressing first metatarsal head and pronating even with footbed. What is wrong with my boot?!


Sounds like your footbed is wrong, not your boot.

soupcanLooking for a little help here and possible suggestions.

so I recently got a pair of kryptons and overall I am very happy with the fit increased control and much more power compared to the old fulltilts. My problem is I have my right foot that is quite a bit larger than my left. My right foot measures a 26 where my left measured a 25 so I went into a 25 shell. I have proper custom foot beds which I am happy with and have served me well but I’m getting a small degree of heel movement in my left boot. Went to a local fitter and we talked about taking up a bit of volume with a shim in the left boot but this caused my heel to lift out of the plastic heel pocket causing some pain but giving me a more locked down feel.

Any suggestions? My next thought would be a piece of foam across the top of the liner on the left foot to decrease the volume a touch more and give that same great fit which I have on my right foot.

thanks


So your smaller foot is experiencing a little heel movement. You can either add a heel lift (which is what it sounds like your boot-fitter did) or pad the liner in front of the ankle. I would probably do the latter. After that, you can looking into foam injection liners. That will for sure solve your issue as it will fill in more foam around your smaller foot.
Jan 9 2019 4:21AM
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soupcan
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onenerdykidSounds like your footbed is wrong, not your boot.



So your smaller foot is experiencing a little heel movement. You can either add a heel lift (which is what it sounds like your boot-fitter did) or pad the liner in front of the ankle. I would probably do the latter. After that, you can looking into foam injection liners. That will for sure solve your issue as it will fill in more foam around your smaller foot.

Thanks for the response I’ll give it ago. https://www.tognar.com/boot-fitting-foam-10-x-10-sheet/ If I were to try to do it myself would this be the foam you would recommend using?
Jan 9 2019 10:08PM
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onenerdykid
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soupcanThanks for the response I’ll give it ago. https://www.tognar.com/boot-fitting-foam-10-x-10-sheet/ If I were to try to do it myself would this be the foam you would recommend using?


That stuff looks pretty good.
Jan 10 2019 4:59AM
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zeltron6Billion
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I’ve had the full tilt classics for a couple years now, but i feel like I have too much room in the shin area. When i attempt to tighten the highest buckle tighter it will slide back to where I feel like it’s not tight enough. Everything else fits fine. I can post pics/video if needed. Thanks!
Jan 11 2019 2:42AM
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Woos
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If my left boot fits perfect but my right heel lifts after I've been skiing for a while (and this is almost fully tightened, my feet are long so I can't downsize and my boots are already narrow as they are FT Seth Morrison's) do I just get one foot bed or what lol? I'm so confused. I did go to a boot fitter and was recommended Atomic Hawx but someone was selling these locally and the price was good. I tried them on and they seemed to fit in a very similar manner to the Hawx as well as no signs of heel lift. I complained about my right ankle hurting from time to time previously on this thread and I believe it all stems from the heel lift. I could buy Hawx and get rid of my FTs but I'd have to remount two pairs of skis and that sounds so lame right now. Plus money is money.
Jan 16 2019 6:33PM
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soupcan
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onenerdykidThat stuff looks pretty good.


Put some across the tongue and it worked like a charm!
Jan 16 2019 9:25PM
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onenerdykid
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teamSESHIf my left boot fits perfect but my right heel lifts after I've been skiing for a while (and this is almost fully tightened, my feet are long so I can't downsize and my boots are already narrow as they are FT Seth Morrison's) do I just get one foot bed or what lol? I'm so confused. I did go to a boot fitter and was recommended Atomic Hawx but someone was selling these locally and the price was good. I tried them on and they seemed to fit in a very similar manner to the Hawx as well as no signs of heel lift. I complained about my right ankle hurting from time to time previously on this thread and I believe it all stems from the heel lift. I could buy Hawx and get rid of my FTs but I'd have to remount two pairs of skis and that sounds so lame right now. Plus money is money.


What Hawx? Hawx Ultra = narrow fit, Hawx Prime = medium fit, Hawx Magna = wide fit

Do you have a footbed now? If not, you need to get one.

Your boot-fitter can shape foam pads around your smaller/skinnier ankle to lock it into place inside the shell.
Jan 17 2019 2:27AM
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Woos
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onenerdykidWhat Hawx? Hawx Ultra = narrow fit, Hawx Prime = medium fit, Hawx Magna = wide fit

Do you have a footbed now? If not, you need to get one.

Your boot-fitter can shape foam pads around your smaller/skinnier ankle to lock it into place inside the shell.


I got fitted a while ago so I can't remember if it was the Prime or Ultra FOR SURE but I'm like 99% sure that it was the Prime. I know it wasn't the Prime and actually now that I remember I asked why he didn't recommend the Ultra with the stiffer flex (they didn't have the model he recommended in stock with a stiffer flex when I was trying them on) and it came down to the size/fit. So yeah it was the Prime.
Jan 17 2019 12:36PM
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Noobinstein
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Hello friends. Haven't been active on the forum for some time now, but I keep trusting it the same.

I use ski boots now the 6 season, but since last year my left foot experiences pain on its talus part of the hinderfoot. I do get that boots get amortized with time, but it is strange why the pressure is only on my left. Also is my judgment right, that when mostly riding skis backcountry & freeride and eventually center-binding, we tend to lean more on the back and it works bad on the ski-boots. So, being ignorant on this issue are there more specialized ski boots, as the classic shape is mostly alpine intended? Thanks a bunch!

**This post was edited on Jan 28th 2019 at 9:26:49am
Jan 28 2019 9:25AM
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onenerdykid
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NoobinsteinHello friends. Haven't been active on the forum for some time now, but I keep trusting it the same.

I use ski boots now the 6 season, but since last year my left foot experiences pain on its talus part of the hinderfoot. I do get that boots get amortized with time, but it is strange why the pressure is only on my left. Also is my judgment right, that when mostly riding skis backcountry & freeride and eventually center-binding, we tend to lean more on the back and it works bad on the ski-boots. So, being ignorant on this issue are there more specialized ski boots, as the classic shape is mostly alpine intended? Thanks a bunch!

**This post was edited on Jan 28th 2019 at 9:26:49am


1. Feet are different left to right, and feet change shape over time. That you have a problem on one foot but not the other is entirely normal, and can normally be fixed by a competent boot-fitter.

2. If you have the right boot for your needs and a ski with the proper amount of rocker for the snow you are skiing, then you shouldn't need to lean back while skiing. If you are primarily skiing backcountry and freeriding, then you normally don't want your binding center mounted.

3. There are lots of great boots available at the moment. It just depends on which one fits you and your needs the best. This is something we cannot answer for you, you will need to visit a boot-fitter who can actually see your feet and help you decide the best thing for you.
Jan 28 2019 11:27AM
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Circus_stunt
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the bottom of my boot like the insert scrunches up in the middle when i land backwards and i have to stomp my foot on the ground to get it back in place. what’s a permanent fix?
Feb 10 2019 7:11PM
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the_armidilo
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I got a new pair of hawk ultra 130 this season and had some initial adjustments made to them like getting a custom footbed and expanding the toe box in both my boots right around the big toe area. The only problem I still have is on my left ankle right about where the Achilles meets the bone (kind of on the outside/middle) I have some pain and discomfort while im skiing and for a day or two after. This is the first boot ive bought in 4 years and I went down half a size and went significantly smaller in last. I got fitted at a boot fitter here and he said this boot would be a good match for me.
Feb 13 2019 1:16PM
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onenerdykid
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the_armidiloI got a new pair of hawk ultra 130 this season and had some initial adjustments made to them like getting a custom footbed and expanding the toe box in both my boots right around the big toe area. The only problem I still have is on my left ankle right about where the Achilles meets the bone (kind of on the outside/middle) I have some pain and discomfort while im skiing and for a day or two after. This is the first boot ive bought in 4 years and I went down half a size and went significantly smaller in last. I got fitted at a boot fitter here and he said this boot would be a good match for me.


Have you shown this problem to your boot-fitter?

There can be many causes to this, and many solutions. Unfortunately, the only way to know is to be able to see what is going on. Could be limitations in your ankle flexibility, could be plastic that needs to be moved away from your ankle... Sounds like you went to a competent fitter, so you should ask him/her what they think.
Feb 13 2019 1:46PM
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xxACIDTRIPxx
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My left heel, at the boney part on the back, has what I think to be a bone spur, I am hopefully getting it removed but looking at what options I have at fixing this problem with my boots. I feel it hard from nollies and nose butters.
Another problem is there is really no good bootfitters that I trust (North Island NZ)

Suggestions?

K2 Recons 130
Feb 17 2019 3:33AM
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onenerdykid
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ACID_My left heel, at the boney part on the back, has what I think to be a bone spur, I am hopefully getting it removed but looking at what options I have at fixing this problem with my boots. I feel it hard from nollies and nose butters.
Another problem is there is really no good bootfitters that I trust (North Island NZ)

Suggestions?

K2 Recons 130


Make sure you have proper supportive footbeds that aren't allowing your heel to move laterally when skiing. Then have the boot stretched in the area that is bothering you. Boom done.
Feb 17 2019 1:23PM
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slurm
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I was fitted for boots and they feel great, however I'm having issues with buckle tightness.After a few laps of my boots being tight my feet ache like no ones business, to the point where I can't walk after taking my boots off after a session. I'm forced settle for loose straps which inevitably gives my play inside my boot, I have wide feet and my boot is only 2 buckles. Is it normal to unbuckle at the bottom of every run and re tighten at the top of the lift? Should I consider playing around with insoles? I have skied my boots for 2 seasons now and I feel like I can't justify new boots just yet, figuring the issues are mainly me being clueless. I have a few months before the season (AUS) so I have time to save for new boots if necessary, just figure its best to ask if this is a common issue. cheers
Feb 20 2019 5:16PM
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SnottyLobar
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Hey Newschoolers! First post here but often read through these forums for advice, before the season I went to a boot fitter to get an upgrade on my 10 year old Salomon boots a size too big I got from decathlon for around £150, I’d done a good amount of research on the type of boot I wanted and decided I wanted a 3 piece boot with a wrap liner as shin bang had been the bane of my life before I got my last pair and figured out a way to strap them which held my shin in place.

So I went to a highly reputable boot fitter in the uk and told them what I wanted (as long as we could find a boot that fitted obviously, I’d be happy to try a two piece if there wasn’t a 3 piece suitable)

After trying a few pairs of full tilt and Dalbello boots the full tilt descendant 8 seemed to fit like a glove on my weird distorted feet (very wide and I also have massive calves) and I was very happy with them, got them cooked and molded but was told footbeds weren’t normally needed for intuition liners (although the guy fitting my feet and his manager had a pretty big discussion over it)

So I just got back from my first trip of the season and was excited to try my new boots but within about an hour or two of skiing I had unbearable foot pain around the 6th toe area almost like the boots were like a vice, I had them punched out twice whilst I was out there but it still didn’t help, had to use my old boots for the rest of the week meaning I couldn’t hit the park so much as I get pretty bad toe bang in them on every landing due to them being a size too big

Going back to the bootfitter next week but really want to make sure I won’t have this problem the next time I go up the mountain, will footbeds help this problem or is there something else that could be done, I’ve done a shell check and there seems to be plenty of room for the sides of my feet, could the liner maybe be causing the problem? I’d like to avoid having to get new boots because I have such weird feet and think any boot may need a few after skiing adjustments, any advice would be appreciated sorry for the essay!

Tl ; Dr-I have wide feet, I got full tilt descendant 8s they fit well in the shop but hurt my 6th toe area a lot after skiing 1-2hours help!
Feb 20 2019 7:01PM
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OhJay
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Definitely get footbeds and go from there.

The foam at the base of those FT liners are too soft to be supportive. Without any support, your feet are probably splaying and causing that 6th toe pain. I had the same exact issue in my first chair 10s but once supported with footbeds, heat mold, and a punch, felt mich better.

When you get them footbeds, make sure to heat mold again. Because theres no removable footbed/insole in stock FT liners, simply throwing footbeds in there will reduce the volume significantly. Heat molding will also help the footbeds settle properly in your liners, esp above all that foam at the base.

FWIW it sounds like FT is finally getting rid of all that base foam and going with a strobel base and removable insoles next season. I honestly thought there was no need for all that base foam, FTs already come with rubber shock absorbing boot boards.
Feb 20 2019 7:43PM
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SnottyLobar
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Thanks! Yeah I was a bit worried about there being too much volume as there was pain on the top of my foot as well as the sides, almost like a bracelet of pain around that whole area, so I’ll ask them to heat mould as well, would that just be a standard cut and shape footbed or a fully custom one? Or would the bootfitter decide what’s more suitable depending on my foot? I also read some people put footbeds under the liners in FTs, I’m assuming there wouldn’t be as much support but would it lessen the increase in volume a bit?
Feb 20 2019 9:04PM
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OhJay
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Whether the footbeds are custom or off the shelf, either should work as long they're trimmed and beveled properly. It's a bit tricky when there's no removable insole to act as a template, but an experienced bootfitter should be able to get it done imo.

FWIW I use off the shelf Sidas Winter footbeds as they match my arch fairly well. And def. inside the liners.

**This post was edited on Feb 21st 2019 at 1:16:23am
Feb 21 2019 12:48AM
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OhJay
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Re: pain over the top of your foot. Might I suggest loosening the middle cable but keep it just tight enough to secure that heel? In my experience with 3 piece boots, those middle buckle/cables run at a 45 degree angle (not quite so in FT but close), meaning it not only sucks your foot back into the boot but also generates downward pressure (if you've ever taken general physics, think velocity/force vector components in the x/y plane).

I found this out the hard way with my Kryptons. Cranking down that middle buckle felt awesome for my heel but my right arch/instep would be in crazy pain. Loosening the middle cable fixed the pain right away, but my heel still feels secure.
Feb 21 2019 1:04AM
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SnottyLobar
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OhJayRe: pain over the top of your foot. Might I suggest loosening the middle cable but keep it just tight enough to secure that heel? In my experience with 3 piece boots, those middle buckle/cables run at a 45 degree angle (not quite so in FT but close), meaning it not only sucks your foot back into the boot but also generates downward pressure (if you've ever taken general physics, think velocity/force vector components in the x/y plane).

I found this out the hard way with my Kryptons. Cranking down that middle buckle felt awesome for my heel but my right arch/instep would be in crazy pain. Loosening the middle cable fixed the pain right away, but my heel still feels secure.


yeah I tried that but didn't really feel any difference, was strange that the pain went away almost as soon as I took my boots out of my bindings, so I reckon my feet must be splaying and hopefully footbeds resolve the problem, thanks for all the advice! will relay it back to the bootfitter if I think they're suggesting something that won't work
Feb 21 2019 9:06AM
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BrawnTrends
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Went to a store to try some Full Tilt Classics yesterday, brought my custom insoles with me, tried two different pairs (26.5 and 27.5). My insoles (cut for Atomic Hawx Ultra in 26.5) were way too long for the Intuition liner in 26.5, and that made my toes really really cramped in the boot. The 27.5 boot was feeling much better around the toes, but the shell was obviously too roomy for my foot and I was having heel lift in the shop already.
So then I tried the 27.5 liner in the 26.5 shell and it felt pretty good.

What are the potential long term downsides of using a 27.5 liner in a 26.5 shell? Their "bootfitter" told me I wouldn't get any more room in the 26.5 liner as the toecap is made of neoprene and won't move if heat molded. I don't want to cut my insoles as I'm also using them in my Hawx Ultra XTDs, and I don't want to pay for a second pair of insoles either.

What are the other possible options?
(Don't tell me "buy a boot that fits", I already have a pair, but I wanted something with a more forgiving flex to mess around on spring days or in the park or when I take my nephew skiing, and low volume 90ish flex boots are almost impossible to find)

I did not buy the FT yet, obviously.

**This post was edited on Mar 5th 2019 at 10:40:15am
Mar 5 2019 10:38AM
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CLQ
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I am having pain along the outside of my leg, just above my ankle going up to about the top of my ski boot. I've been wearing these boots for about 10 days now but this pain hasn't appeared before then. I could only "ski" a couple of runs before calling it a day due to the pain. Is this my boot or is it in an injury I sustained while skiing? 2 weekends ago was when I first started noticing the pain but I had crashed a lot that day so I didn't think of it to much. Then last weekend on Saturday I sort of noticed it and then Sunday was the unbearable pain where I couldn't ski. Any thoughts?

I have Techina Cochise 120 and went to a legit bootfitter (Larry's bootfiiting). I just got custom footbeds after the fact which might help but I don't know.
Mar 6 2019 7:59PM
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onenerdykid
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CLQI am having pain along the outside of my leg, just above my ankle going up to about the top of my ski boot. I've been wearing these boots for about 10 days now but this pain hasn't appeared before then. I could only "ski" a couple of runs before calling it a day due to the pain. Is this my boot or is it in an injury I sustained while skiing? 2 weekends ago was when I first started noticing the pain but I had crashed a lot that day so I didn't think of it to much. Then last weekend on Saturday I sort of noticed it and then Sunday was the unbearable pain where I couldn't ski. Any thoughts?

I have Techina Cochise 120 and went to a legit bootfitter (Larry's bootfiiting). I just got custom footbeds after the fact which might help but I don't know.


Going to a boot-fitter and getting custom footbeds is for sure the first right step. Take it easy, let your leg heal before skiing again, and then give it a try.
Mar 7 2019 11:13AM
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JERREisBEAST
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Hey guys!
I have the following problem on my new boots (Lange xt free 130) when I put my boot on after 20 - 30 minutes my left and right great toe start to feel numb. I can still move them but they have this weird tingling sensation.
It happens everytime even when I don't close the buckles the first half hour.
After my first week skiing, the tingling even stayed in the evening when I was out of my boot.
The boot was shell fitted by a bootfitter, it feels as a perfect fit and they ski very good and direct. I also have a custom footbed so no blame there.
There are no points where I feel pressure/pain and still my great toes go numb. No pain on the instep, the toebox is roomy, no pain or pressure in the ankle. I'm a little bit at a halt on what to do.
My bootfitter says it could be a pressure syndrome of the peroneal nerve on the medial side below the ankle. But he says when he would make room there, I could experience heel lift. That I don't want either.
Any tips/ suggestions?
I really like the boots and the fit, but the tingling great toes isn't fun.
Thanks in advance!

Pardon my English, I'm from Belgium. 😄
Mar 28 2019 4:59AM
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onenerdykid
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JERREisBEASTHey guys!
I have the following problem on my new boots (Lange xt free 130) when I put my boot on after 20 - 30 minutes my left and right great toe start to feel numb. I can still move them but they have this weird tingling sensation.
It happens everytime even when I don't close the buckles the first half hour.
After my first week skiing, the tingling even stayed in the evening when I was out of my boot.
The boot was shell fitted by a bootfitter, it feels as a perfect fit and they ski very good and direct. I also have a custom footbed so no blame there.
There are no points where I feel pressure/pain and still my great toes go numb. No pain on the instep, the toebox is roomy, no pain or pressure in the ankle. I'm a little bit at a halt on what to do.
My bootfitter says it could be a pressure syndrome of the peroneal nerve on the medial side below the ankle. But he says when he would make room there, I could experience heel lift. That I don't want either.
Any tips/ suggestions?
I really like the boots and the fit, but the tingling great toes isn't fun.
Thanks in advance!

Pardon my English, I'm from Belgium. 😄


This tends to happen in brand new boots, it's quite normal. They just need to break in.

Try wearing your boots at home 20-30 minutes a night, for a week. This should help the foams adjust and the tingling should go away.
Mar 28 2019 5:13AM
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tomPietrowski
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onenerdykidThis thread should be seen as an accompaniment to the "How To Buy Ski Boots" thread, more specifically aimed at solving a problem with your existing ski boots. Rather than clog up Gear Talk with countless repeating threads, please dump your boot-fitting related questions here and we will do our best to help you out.

Remember, nothing is a substitute for going to a real boot-fitter; they can see your foot, we can't. So if you can't get to a boot-fitter, or are frustrated with your current one, we can help point you in the right direction. Try to be as descriptive of your problem as possible and post pics if you can. The more information we get from you, the more successful we will hopefully be in helping you out.


Ready, set, go.


Let’s have a beer tonight haha
Apr 14 2019 12:48AM
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CabbyArrant
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slurmI was fitted for boots and they feel great, however I'm having issues with buckle tightness.After a few laps of my boots being tight my feet ache like no ones business, to the point where I can't walk after taking my boots off after a session. I'm forced settle for loose straps which inevitably gives my play inside my boot, I have wide feet and my boot is only 2 buckles. Is it normal to unbuckle at the bottom of every run and re tighten at the top of the lift? Should I consider playing around with insoles? I have skied my boots for 2 seasons now and I feel like I can't justify new boots just yet, figuring the issues are mainly me being clueless. I have a few months before the season (AUS) so I have time to save for new boots if necessary, just figure its best to ask if this is a common issue. cheers


Always buckle your boots from the top down and flex against the tongue before you tighten the bottom buckle/s. Also you should be able to latch the lower buckle with 1 finger worth of pressure. If your lower buckle since you are in a 2 buckle boot is over the ankle however you may need some padding added around the ankle to remove volume if you cant handle the pressure on your instep from a tighter buckle. Getting the buckles as tight as you can while still being comfortable is what you want to do, same with your the buckle over your ankle. If the boot cant retain your ankle then go see your fitter where they can remove some volume there.
Sep 6 2019 11:05AM
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onenerdykid
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tomPietrowskiLet’s have a beer tonight haha

lol, ok haha. Long distance drinks?

CabbyArrantAlways buckle your boots from the top down and flex against the tongue before you tighten the bottom buckle/s.

It doesn't really matter from which way you start but I would actually start from the toe and go up. When you start from the toe, you can always be sure that the shell overlap overlaps the correct way. If you start from the top and work down, you run the risk of not seeing that the lower shell overlap could be not sitting the correct way, then you tighten the boot down like this, and it folds the plastic at the top of the instep (the part of the shell hidden under the cuff). This happens quite a lot, especially when you need to spread the lower shell open when stepping into the boot. But, it really doesn't matter if you start top down or go bottom up, just as long as everything is positioned correctly before tightening up the buckles.
Sep 7 2019 4:02AM
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dsnyd22
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Atomic SAVOR 80 Boots (REAR ENTRY) Has anyone tried these rear entry boots or something similar. I have been working on finding boots for 6 years and have failed every time. I have a wide foot and the above boot seems to fit in store but im worried since the reviews say better for beginner to intermediate. I tend to still enjoy hard charging the mountain and get pretty aggressive in the park so I am hesitant to try.
Oct 22 2019 2:00PM
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onenerdykid
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dsnyd22Atomic SAVOR 80 Boots (REAR ENTRY) Has anyone tried these rear entry boots or something similar. I have been working on finding boots for 6 years and have failed every time. I have a wide foot and the above boot seems to fit in store but im worried since the reviews say better for beginner to intermediate. I tend to still enjoy hard charging the mountain and get pretty aggressive in the park so I am hesitant to try.


This is not the boot for you or anyone on NS. It's not made for aggressive skiing or withstanding big landings.
Oct 23 2019 3:56AM
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n8.benson_skis
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WoosI have some FT Morisson's that I bought used but basically brand new (used one day) and everything fits great. The left boot fits me PERFECTLY, however, the right boot often makes the ball of my ankle (on the right side my ankle) sore. Is there any way to fix this or should I go back to a boot fitter and just get whatever they recommend? It sucks because that's the ONLY issue I've had with them and I love the 3 piece design as well as the fit of my left boot.

Thanks guys.

EDIT: Is there any chance of a softer tongue helping with this? They have a #10 in them and I weigh 180lbs. I mainly ride park and sometimes I jib around midwest groomers. I don't do many big jumps, just rails, presses, jibs, smaller jump lines, etc.

**This post was edited on Nov 8th 2018 at 4:14:42pm

You could try putting pads around the sore area of your ankle. This could help support it and perhaps make it less sore
Oct 23 2019 9:02AM
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dsnyd22
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Thanks for the replies. Going to scratch these. any other boots that have 104 width? the ones i currently wear are 14 year old Rossi's but and they font hurt. Just too big for foot and WAY too heavy. so ive been trying each year to find a boot to replace it with.
Oct 23 2019 5:20PM
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onenerdykid
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dsnyd22Thanks for the replies. Going to scratch these. any other boots that have 104 width? the ones i currently wear are 14 year old Rossi's but and they font hurt. Just too big for foot and WAY too heavy. so ive been trying each year to find a boot to replace it with.

Tons of great options from each manufacturer in this category. Bear in mind that a boot's listed width (i.e. 102mm) is only valid for size 26/26.5. The last width will get narrower by 2mm per size below 26 and get 2mm wider per size above 26. Don't get hung up on this measurement. Visit a boot-fitter have him/her find the right shape boot for your foot and customize it as necessary.
Oct 24 2019 2:00AM
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dsnyd22
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onenerdykidTons of great options from each manufacturer in this category. Bear in mind that a boot's listed width (i.e. 102mm) is only valid for size 26/26.5. The last width will get narrower by 2mm per size below 26 and get 2mm wider per size above 26. Don't get hung up on this measurement. Visit a boot-fitter have him/her find the right shape boot for your foot and customize it as necessary.

ive been fitted every year to no avail. just settled on a salomon s/pro 100 for this season. We will see how it goes
Oct 26 2019 12:03PM
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amccahill93
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Sometimes I just feel like I can flex the whole way through my boots
Oct 29 2019 5:04PM
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onenerdykid
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amccahill93Sometimes I just feel like I can flex the whole way through my boots


Then they are most likely too soft for you.

What model & flex is it?
Oct 30 2019 3:30AM
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cobra_commander
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onenerdykidThis is not the boot for you or anyone on NS. It's not made for aggressive skiing or withstanding big landings.


The Savor still probably skis better than an SPK.
Oct 30 2019 3:57PM
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tomPietrowski
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cobra_commanderThe Savor still probably skis better than an SPK.


Tell that to candide ;)
Oct 30 2019 4:14PM
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LoathesRaisins
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Live in Southern California so I don't have too many options. I went to see the boot fitter and he measured me at a 26.5. Narrow. Low Arches. My feet have limited flexibility I think is what he said, not sure on the exact terminology, 6 degrees in 1 foot, and 10 in the other. I have a ridiculous amount of pronation on my left foot, and a tad bit less on my right. Big calves as well. He had me try on the Tecnica Mach Sport LV 100($400) and the Mach Sport LV 130($800, bright orange) I think.



He didn't have too many options in a narrow profile he said. I tried the 2 and have an appointment tomorrow to try on some more. He seemed like he knew what he was talking about, has his master boot fitting license, along with 3 other people at the shop. He's going to make some foot beds for me and add a heel lift(maybe a heel cup is what he said?). I've never had a boot fitting done, and don't want to waste my money.

I asked about canting and he said I would probably be a good candidate for that, but he doesn't have the equipment available to do that.

Any advice? Anything I should be asking him for? Pretty clueless on this, I've only used rental boots that a shop sold me for $50, so I'm sure any boot is going to be an improvement over those. He seemed to push Tecnica quite a bit as he was a product tester for them. Let me know if you need more info to help.
Nov 8 2019 10:38PM
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BrawnTrends
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If I buy a pair of used Intuition wrap liners, and previous owner had wider feet and ankles than me, would heat molding make them a tighter fit again?

I know that heating expands the foam inside the liners, but I've also read that reheating usually causes the foam to pack out a bit each time. So the info is a little conflicting.

**This post was edited on Nov 10th 2019 at 8:43:11am
Nov 10 2019 8:41AM
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tomPietrowski
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ChrisMcCandlessLive in Southern California so I don't have too many options. I went to see the boot fitter and he measured me at a 26.5. Narrow. Low Arches. My feet have limited flexibility I think is what he said, not sure on the exact terminology, 6 degrees in 1 foot, and 10 in the other. I have a ridiculous amount of pronation on my left foot, and a tad bit less on my right. Big calves as well. He had me try on the Tecnica Mach Sport LV 100($400) and the Mach Sport LV 130($800, bright orange) I think.



He didn't have too many options in a narrow profile he said. I tried the 2 and have an appointment tomorrow to try on some more. He seemed like he knew what he was talking about, has his master boot fitting license, along with 3 other people at the shop. He's going to make some foot beds for me and add a heel lift(maybe a heel cup is what he said?). I've never had a boot fitting done, and don't want to waste my money.

I asked about canting and he said I would probably be a good candidate for that, but he doesn't have the equipment available to do that.

Any advice? Anything I should be asking him for? Pretty clueless on this, I've only used rental boots that a shop sold me for $50, so I'm sure any boot is going to be an improvement over those. He seemed to push Tecnica quite a bit as he was a product tester for them. Let me know if you need more info to help.


Not too much really. He seems to have it pretty well covered. Get the footbeds made that will get your feet more similar as they will be both in neutral rather then the one pronating more so becoming wider, lower and longer. The heel lift can help with limited mobility in the ankle.

From there he will asses your feet in a few shells and advise what will work best.

Sounds like it should all be pretty good.
Nov 10 2019 2:49PM
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tomPietrowski
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BrawnTrendsIf I buy a pair of used Intuition wrap liners, and previous owner had wider feet and ankles than me, would heat molding make them a tighter fit again?

I know that heating expands the foam inside the liners, but I've also read that reheating usually causes the foam to pack out a bit each time. So the info is a little conflicting.

**This post was edited on Nov 10th 2019 at 8:43:11am


How long have they been used? Intuitions are great but don’t have the longest life. If the previous user has really packed them out having a higher volume foot there may not be much life left. You may be able to plump them out a bit reheating them but it may be worth just gettin new ones.
Nov 10 2019 2:51PM
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BrawnTrends
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tomPietrowskiHow long have they been used? Intuitions are great but don’t have the longest life. If the previous user has really packed them out having a higher volume foot there may not be much life left. You may be able to plump them out a bit reheating them but it may be worth just gettin new ones.


2 seasons, quite extensively, and they look like they have some loose fabric on the heel hold area. I was thinking getting a newer one anyway, but maybe not right away. And I have really thin feet and ankles, so I need as much plumpness as possible.
Nov 10 2019 3:21PM
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LoathesRaisins
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tomPietrowskiNot too much really. He seems to have it pretty well covered. Get the footbeds made that will get your feet more similar as they will be both in neutral rather then the one pronating more so becoming wider, lower and longer. The heel lift can help with limited mobility in the ankle.

From there he will asses your feet in a few shells and advise what will work best.

Sounds like it should all be pretty good.


Went in again yesterday, but he only had two options in a low volume boot. The Tecnica Mach Sport and the Atomic Hawx Ultra 120S. Mach Sport was too big. Atomic fit great on my left foot, but couldn't quite get my right dialed in enough to pull the trigger. In the Atomic my right leg felt like it was more angled than my left when flexing the boot and my toe would push up into the front when applying heel pressure. He said it must have something to do with the limited flexibility in my right ankle, but he couldn't be certain as he has never seen this issue before.



He said he didn't want to do footbeds because from what he was seeing in my feet, he didn't think it would help much.

**This post was edited on Nov 10th 2019 at 4:04:25pm
Nov 10 2019 3:50PM
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tomPietrowski
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ChrisMcCandlessWent in again yesterday, but he only had two options in a low volume boot. The Tecnica Mach Sport and the Atomic Hawx Ultra 120S. Mach Sport was too big. Atomic fit great on my left foot, but couldn't quite get my right dialed in enough to pull the trigger. In the Atomic my right leg felt like it was more angled than my left when flexing the boot and my toe would push up into the front when applying heel pressure. He said it must have something to do with the limited flexibility in my right ankle, but he couldn't be certain as he has never seen this issue before.



He said he didn't want to do footbeds because from what he was seeing in my feet, he didn't think it would help much.

**This post was edited on Nov 10th 2019 at 4:04:25pm


Ok well if he is saying that about footbeds I would be a lot more cautious. He said himself one of your feet pronates a lot more so a footbeds is clearly needed to help re-align that foot to a more neutral position.

I have seen this with american fitters before. They can be hesitant to do work like this as it can be considered corrective rather than supportive. It’s a shame as it’s what is really needed.

Hard to say what to advise other then possibly see if you if you can find anyone else to get a second opinion from. Where do you ski? Any shops at the resort?
Nov 10 2019 4:54PM
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tomPietrowski
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BrawnTrends2 seasons, quite extensively, and they look like they have some loose fabric on the heel hold area. I was thinking getting a newer one anyway, but maybe not right away. And I have really thin feet and ankles, so I need as much plumpness as possible.


Oh for sure don’t bother then. Those liners are probably worn out by now then anyway.

If you need new liners one option may be sure foot. Not for their own liners, but they replace liners a lot, so always have lots of really good stock liners they will sell off cheap. It’s probably the best thing you can get at that particular shop ;)
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