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L.WattsHey guys, got sized up bought some brilliant new atomic redsters. ONE PROBLEM. I only encountered this problem after skiing for several hours today(first day in new boots). The plastic shell is pressing on to the bone on the inside of my foot, do I go for a custom footbed or get the boot blown. I'm sceptical of footbeds and have tried them before and not got on with them. Opinions please
onenerdykidA footbed is only as good as the person who is making it for you. Crappy footbed maker = crappy footbed. Now, even with a perfect footbed, you will need to adjust to it. You can't go from wearing nothing to proper support. Your foot will cramp out and sometimes feel like it's burning under your foot. Without a footbed, your foot will just fall into the space that is made and you won't properly solve the problem.
1. Get a proper custom footbed (and wear it around for a few days prior to skiing in it).
2. Have the shell punched/ground in the area that is bothering you.
TopsenHere are my questions:
- Being in a 3 piece boot prior, is this attributable to the overlap design?
- I love the booster strap, but might this come from it being narrower than the stock strap?
- As we sized down to a 28,5 is the height of the cuff the problem?
- im used to skiing 120/130 flex boots, but could the problem origin here?
I removed the spoiler as i thought it puts me too much forward but that didnt really change anything. Also played around with the buckle settings and was careful to not overtighten the booster, also placed it high up on the tongue as well as under the shell. It felt as it was better under the shell, but not sure.
onenerdykidIt won't matter if the boot is 2-piece or 3-piece for stopping shin bang- it can happen in either. Also, neither should the flex given your height and weight.
But, the height of the cuff & liner could be a problem for you. Is the pain in your shin related to how tall/low the cuff comes up on your leg? Does it feel like it's too low?
TopsenWow, quick answer. Thanks.
Hard to tell, but yeah it does feel a little low. Though, from comparing it with my old boot, it is not really lower. How can I find out?
it does hurt exactly where the cuff ends.
Asuming that is the problem: is there anything that can be done to resolve the issue?
**This post was edited on May 7th 2018 at 4:49:23am
onenerdykidSince you've downsized, the cuff will sit about 8-10mm lower than your normal size. Usually a "racing spoiler" can be attached to the front part of the cuff flaps to make the effective cuff height taller in the front. Most every brand, including Fischer, should have one of these that can be added on. This may help.
It might also be a liner problem. The shape of the liner tongue might not be agreeing with you either. Every company has a unique curve shape to their plastic tongue. Some are straighter, some have more of a radius to them. If yours does have more of a forward bending radius, it could lead to discomfort in the shin area. In my experience, straighter tongues with less forward bend are more comfortable. Do you have any old liners you can toss in and experiment with just to see?
TopsenAlright, will check on the race spoiler.
I actually do have an old K2 Intuition Liner, that would have to be heat molded to the new shell correct?
I also have a detachable tongue from an aftermarket sidas foam liner that did not work in a previous boot. As the tongue in the fischer liner is also detachable, I will have a look if I can swap them.
Thank you so far!
onenerdykidIdeally, you would remold the K2 liner again, but if it fits and feels good you can always just run it. The main rule is making the boot feel good again :)
Did your Sidas foam liner use a foam tongue? If so, that would probably be a great solution.
WhatSo my boots have been in storage for many years. They were bought new and worn for maybe 20-30 days just fine.
First day back into them, they cutoff all circulation after a run or two. I got through the day taking regular breaks to let the blood back into my feet. By the end of the day, one boot is basically fine, the other still cuts off circulation and I can feel it digging into the top of my foot just below my shin.
I think it might be the shell, not the lining?
Any tricks to stretching it out? Can the shell remold, or if its out of shape is that the end of it? Do I just need to wear them inside for a while and ski in them more?
Cant really afford new boots at the moment, so hoping I can do something.
OhJayOrdered a pair of Dalbello Krypton 130s from this past season, and am wondering if they may be too small for me? My measured mondo is 26.5 and went down to 25.5 for these Kryps. Below is what's going on.
Shell fit: Approximately half an inch behind my heel. Just a hair of space on either side at last width, solid amount of clearance at the ankles though not exactly sure what to look for ankles in a shell fit.
Toe box: Pretty tight. Toes are definitely curled, but with my sidas footbed and flexing/walking around for 10-15 minutes, relaxes a bit. Would probably have to get a punch/grind depending how the Intuition liners break in after a heat mold.
Instep: This is where I'm having problems. It's damn near impossible to buckle the 2nd instep buckle no matter how much I slam my heel down and try to settle the tongue down. Not sure if Dalbello didn't account for the amount of liner foam protruding from the instep are of the shell, but the cable is not long enoug. Even with my foot out of the boot, you have to really shove the tongue down to buckle up the 2nd buckle. So far, I have not been able to repeat the only 2 times I was able to buckle down the ankle buckles. For reference, my instep measures 28.5, but thought Dalbellos/Cabrio boots were pretty accomodating to instep height. My instep hasn't caused any issues when trying on other downsized overlap boots so far.
Heel: Also problematic. The heel area is also really tight to the point where they're hurting the rear of my heel. Although not as thick as some of the other Intuitions I've had, they're definitely thicker (and quite stiffer) than stock liners of other boots I've tried (Lange, Nordica, Head).
So with the issues I'm having overall, my question is; Will heat molding the liners help my issues, or is the boot too small? I'm assuming the next size up will feel much better out the box, but will probably be too big of a shell fit and lead to a sloppy fit after X amount of days.
FWIW, I'm currently on FT First Chair 10s which I've had about 50 days on. Fit is OK and can't complain much, but am definitely looking to move on to a more precise fit and a proper,heftier alpine boot.
And thanks to onenerdy and anyone else contributing on NS, it's been quite helpful on my off season boot search.
**This post was edited on Jun 15th 2018 at 1:52:25pm
f100prerunnerLooking for opinions. Ive got a skinny ankle/heel and wider forefoot. This last season I was fit for a Lange xt110 and long story short both my toe nails are now gone and I would get some strong pain after skiing for several days. I was fit by my forefoot and not heel and am not in too big of a boot. I do feel like this foot fit well however it was too loose in general throughout it. Any recommendations on a better fitting boot before I head into a more experienced one? I am thinking maybe the lv xt130 and atomic hawx, any other ideas?
onenerdykidDo you have custom footbeds?
f100prerunnerCustom no however I do have a reputable brands footbed, can’t thing of the brand as of now. They’re the green ones haha
f100prerunnerCustom no however I do have a reputable brands footbed, can’t thing of the brand as of now. They’re the green ones haha
RparrNerdykid is right, non custom footbeds often make people’s feet hurt. They certainly did for mine, including super feet. Custom footbeds are worth every penny if they’re going into a relatively new boot
f100prerunnerMy feet hurting isn’t the problem it’s the fact the boots too big and I have it buckled overly tight and I still lose both toenails
NzeskibroGot some issues:
Bought a pair of Nordica speed machines, the bootfitter is dope so there is no problems on his behalf.
First day skiing, was fine asides from problem with callousing on my little toes. Due to collapsed arches making my feet wider than they are. The guy already sussed me out with foot beds, so this time he blew out the toe area. Problem solved
I had problems with burning arches, but that disappeared as I grew in to the boots.
Now, the main problem I have is, on my right foot. At the bony point up from my big toe - on the top of my foot (I think it's called the cuneiform bone) when there is downward pressure like on the chairlift it hurts like a bitch. Is there anything I can do to alleviate this?
TLDR Pain on my top bone of foot, want it fixed without sacrificing how tight I can crank my boots
Profahoben_212Are you unbuckling when you hop on the lift?
NzeskibroFuck.... nah.
I didn't know that was a thing, I never really thought about doing that. I'll try it and hopefully it should alleviate the problem
onenerdykidI find it's always a good idea to relax the buckles on the lift ride back up. Not only will this alleviate pressure points, but also allow blood to more easily flow to your toes, helping to keep you warmer.
BrawnTrendsEven when the boots fit perfectly? I never do that...
BrawnTrendsEven when the boots fit perfectly? I never do that...
civic1500Did anyone try molding head form fit boots, like thrashers? Tried them on, they feel pretty nice but there is a pressure point on the shin on the side of liners tongue. Would forming them help this?
civic1500Thank you. I tried them on only in the shop yet, didn't do any bootfitting stuff. I plan to make custom footbeds anyway for my new boots, so I will leave the molding as the last option if the problem stays.
slurmHey NS,
3 Seasons ago I was fitted for some Atomic Live Fit 100s and over time have discovered a few shortcomings with the fit. The first season they were like a dream, I was a fairly casual skier but they were comfy to cop all day was happy with the fit. Keeping in mind, I was cruising groomers all day. The past two seasons however, I am finding a few issues with their performance in regards to my progression as I begin to hit the harder slopes, send jumps and traverse through tight tree sections.
1. I am getting heavy toe bang on landings and through bumpy sections.
2. Although my bindings are tight, at faster speeds it's becoming hard to keep my skis parallel. Even though my knees and feet are locked, On the odd occasion my skis cross and I'm unsure its whether there is too much play in the front of my boots.
3. A few recent stacks I have felt my foot and ankle more significantly in my boot, likely due to higher impact.
3. On trying to solve both of the above, I have cranked down the toe buckle to the point where I cannot walk after session due to intense pain.
I have found limited info on the net regarding this boot, but have been told they are a good boot for the 'once a year' skier. As I get more involved and head out every week or so, should i invest in a new pair of boots? The Live Fits only have 2 buckles, so could its limited tightness setting be holding me back? The season here in Aus is about to wrap up and am happy to invest in a dope pair for next season but wanted some advice before I do so!
A few specs if it matters,
height: 5:8
weight: 165
skill: Between a 2 and a 3 all mountain, but going to try learn park next season.
sticks: line chronic 2019
slurmHey NS,
3 Seasons ago I was fitted for some Atomic Live Fit 100s and over time have discovered a few shortcomings with the fit. The first season they were like a dream, I was a fairly casual skier but they were comfy to cop all day was happy with the fit. Keeping in mind, I was cruising groomers all day. The past two seasons however, I am finding a few issues with their performance in regards to my progression as I begin to hit the harder slopes, send jumps and traverse through tight tree sections.
1. I am getting heavy toe bang on landings and through bumpy sections.
2. Although my bindings are tight, at faster speeds it's becoming hard to keep my skis parallel. Even though my knees and feet are locked, On the odd occasion my skis cross and I'm unsure its whether there is too much play in the front of my boots.
3. A few recent stacks I have felt my foot and ankle more significantly in my boot, likely due to higher impact.
3. On trying to solve both of the above, I have cranked down the toe buckle to the point where I cannot walk after session due to intense pain.
I have found limited info on the net regarding this boot, but have been told they are a good boot for the 'once a year' skier. As I get more involved and head out every week or so, should i invest in a new pair of boots? The Live Fits only have 2 buckles, so could its limited tightness setting be holding me back? The season here in Aus is about to wrap up and am happy to invest in a dope pair for next season but wanted some advice before I do so!
A few specs if it matters,
height: 5:8
weight: 165
skill: Between a 2 and a 3 all mountain, but going to try learn park next season.
sticks: line chronic 2019
TheVictatorI currently have Atomic Hawx Magna 110s and last season I tried to learn nosebutters, but couldn't because my heel kept coming up in the boot instead of me flexing my ski on the ground. This is with Line Blends that are 176cm, and I'm 6' tall and 196lbs. There is no reason I should not be able to flex these skis, aside from the fact that my boots don't fit. My shoe size is 11.5 or so and I can't figure out the boot size. I talked to my local ski shop manager about it and he said that they could put shims in the bottom of the boots. Does this sound alright, or should buy new boots?
last_tangoanyway to fix a boot that is too big length wise other than buying new boots?
PataguccimaneHowever, coming into this season I’m thinking about giving the Mach 1s another try since I was initially fitted for them so my dilemma is as follows: should I keep riding them and hope they pack out more and my new footbed might correct the issues I’m having or should I go into the shop and see what can be done and what I’ll be looking at as far as what’s going to be done. I’ve heard a heel punch and some slight work in the forefoot is standard. I’m not a bootfitter and don’t have immediate access to a bootfitter hence why I’m here asking about what the issue is/what the course of action should be.
onenerdykidYour new footbed will for sure help the issue you were feeling under the foot, so definitely do that.
After that, you should just take them back into the shop for a re-fit. Sounds like the shell needs a bit of a stretch/grind in spots.
onenerdykidIt's hard to find good boot-fitters in Europe, even in Austria. It's far too touristy and the shops never see the customers again. They therefore don't need to deal with their customer's problems...
Anyway, if you can't make it further into the Alps then you'll be out of luck. There are zero good boot-fitters in a place like Vienna. You'll need to wait until you go on holiday (if that's possible) to large ski-destination area and research which shops in that area are good at this. Make an appointment with them and spend the day or at least half day there getting it all done.
I can most certainly guarantee you that your current boots are too big. In fact, I would be a lot of money on it. And you will always have problems in a boot that is too big. So, be aware that you might be buying new boots too.
This may be a long shot, but are you ever in the UK or Switzerland? The UK has WAY better boot-fitters than most of mainland Europe ever will. There are also some great fitters in Switzerland (like Heierling in Davos).
Oceanic1Hi Onenerdykid,
Do the World Cup skiers use modified versions of the Redster WCs that you sell? Or do you have a different mold that you use to make 'plug' boots for the WC athletes? No particular reason for asking, I'm just being a geek.
onenerdykidThis thread should be seen as an accompaniment to the "How To Buy Ski Boots" thread, more specifically aimed at solving a problem with your existing ski boots. Rather than clog up Gear Talk with countless repeating threads, please dump your boot-fitting related questions here and we will do our best to help you out.
Remember, nothing is a substitute for going to a real boot-fitter; they can see your foot, we can't. So if you can't get to a boot-fitter, or are frustrated with your current one, we can help point you in the right direction. Try to be as descriptive of your problem as possible and post pics if you can. The more information we get from you, the more successful we will hopefully be in helping you out.
Ready, set, go.
satanworshipperI got these new full tilt boots because my old boots were second hand, super shitty, and always gave me a skiers toe.
I've been riding and walking in these full tilts for a bit. when i was buying them and testing them out, they were fine. When i started doing shit in them, my shins were getting fucked. The pain is unbearable, like having a constant cramp in your shins. I don't know wtf is wrong with it. Please help out :(
