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fuckmekevinFULL TILT classics w/ new pro intuition liners, 8-flex tongues and a standard footbed; PAIN in lower leg in the tendon that goes down the outside of the back of my leg, basically 2-3 inches above and slightly to the back of the outside of my leg but still on the side. Twisting of the boot while it's in the ski can also cause pain. And when I take them off, this area is enlarged and swollen; feels bruised. It seems like it may be, most likely the new intuition liner from FT. Where it wraps around, the liner seems to be causing this pain. Tightening booster straps worsens the pain because it tightens the liners, hugging the liners around my legs. Longer, heavier skis also worsen the pain.
By the end of the day the spot ABOVE MY ankle is tender to the touch and it slightly hurts when I walk around. If I wait to ski for a couple days, the pain doesn't come back until later in the ski day. Back to back days and the pain will remain. Moguls, hard crud or anywhere where I'm being bounced around, significantly worsens the pain. If its powder or pristine groomers, the pain is still present but to a noticeably less degree and not that intrusive.
MY OUTSIDE part of my feet, two inches back from my pinkie toes and slightly underneath my foot, ache as well. This can be excruciating but goes away and barely hurts after 4-5 runs. Not sure why the pain subsides in this area, still annoying. When I take out the foot beds this pain goes away but my boots feel floppy and there's no control or arch support.
powchaserI have flat feet /soft (collapsing) arches. Have tried custom foot beds and super feet. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to make my feet stop aching!! Thanks
powchaserI feel like the custom foot beds might not be flat..? It almost feels like I have to put more weight on the inside foot/big toe to hold a good edge. When on steep groomers going straight my feet feel like there is to much pressure on the inside foot very unsupported on outside foot.
onenerdykidThe thing about truly custom-molded footbeds is that they are only as good as the person who is making them.
powchaserThey are a Sidas brand I believe, I had them mad at a shop that went out of business a little while back. I will go have another set made at a different shop and try that route! Thanks for all the feedback
BrawnTrendsBut how to know if the person making them is good? I mean I don't seem have any problem with my custom footbeds, but I also have no idea if they're well made or not.
DTetzI'm looking a very low volume boot. Currently using 27.5 full tilt first chairs and they are slightly sloppy in the calves (am not a huge fan or the pro wrap liner so far). This is leading to ankle slippage. Any suggestions on new boots or ways to solve my problem?
tsk94Insoles, foam placed around the liner. Anything to take up volume will help.
Profahoben_212so i think my liners are starting to go.
I have maybe around 130+ days on my nordica gpx 130s, and i am starting to get far more shin bang than i have been, could this be the liner getting shot? Boots were fitted by a fitter and have a footbed. So its not the fit.
What would be a good liner to get for these boots?
onenerdykidThat's fairly regular life span for a stock liner (normal is anywhere from 150-200 days depending on how hard you are on them vs. how you baby them). Foams will simply pack out and then your body will be up against the plastic of the liner tongue or cuff/shell or at least not able to absorb bumps/vibrations that will instead pass directly to you.
You should look at either getting a new liner from Nordica (probably the cheapest option) or looking into foam liners (Nordica, Surefoot, Sidas, Boot Doc, etc) or Zip Fit liners. The latter two options will last the life of the shell and quite often the next one too.
Profahoben_212cool cool. Its more Chatter bang than shin bang i should say...so that makes sense. So i should look into Zipfit? might make some calls to see if anybody around here stocks them. THanks as always nerdy
onenerdykidNo worries! Zip Fit will be the priciest option, but I've heard from many people that they have over 400 days on one pair. I've never personally used them, but I know a few boot-fitters who swear by them.
Saho3914I have the atomic hawx magna 130 due to a wide forefoot and the fit around my foot is great, very little heel lift. The issue I have is at the top of the boot, my leg isn't large enough and I have a lot of room at the top of the boot. When skiing variable snow at speed I can feel the boot rocking on my leg from front to back causing a lot of pain in my shin/back of my leg. I have had the buckles drilled and moved over pretty and have had a foam pad installed but I am still having problems.
mattross4508Full tilt first chair premiers, throbbing pain in my calf when I have sidas foot supports in. The shop where I bought the boots recommended the sidas footbed. My foot also feels tight when I have the foot beds in. When I Rowe them out the pain in my foot and the throbbing in my calf go away but then my calf starts to get this fatigued feeling like I've run a Marathon any suggestions
s.oksenHey Newschoolers
So i have started to experience some trouble with my boots. Actually it is only my left boot. The boots are the Atomic Hawx Ultra Womens model. (Because real men ride womens boots). The boot fits really well and have been amazing all season. A week ago i started to feel weird in my left boot. It is like my foot is placed a bit wrong in the boot and i arcs my knee inwards. I can still ski pretty well but it is a bit annoying and it sets me a bot off.
I took a picture off my left leg where you can see it.
onenerdykidIf the boot fits, wear it!
Are you using supportive footbeds in the boot? Without these, your knee will travel inward like it is doing because of ankle pronation. Completely normal for walking, but in a ski boot it can lead to discomfort and lack of skiing performance. Make sure you are using supportive footbeds and the issue should go away.
s.oksenHey Thanks for the answer.
So I already own a pair of surefoot footbeds and they have worked pretty well until now.
Is it possible to wear footbeds out? I have used them since december. Maybe it is time for some new footbeds? If not are there anything to do about it, some shell modification or something?
s.oksenHey Thanks for the answer.
So I already own a pair of surefoot footbeds and they have worked pretty well until now.
Is it possible to wear footbeds out? I have used them since december. Maybe it is time for some new footbeds? If not are there anything to do about it, some shell modification or something?
onenerdykidIt just depends if the Superfeet model is right for your foot. More often than not, an off-the-shelf footbed does not offer the correct amount of support for you and your ankle/leg/knee will not be aligned properly in the boot.
Without seeing your foot and footbed it's kind of impossible to know for sure, but you need to start here before modding anything on the boot. Making changes to the boot won't address the actual problem and you'll end up potentially making it worse.
OregonDeadThinking it's time for new liners.
Boot is a Nordica Doberman 120 and I have 45 days on the stock liner.
Wrap or tongue style?
onenerdykidIf you are looking for cushy warmth, go Intuition (I would probably steer you toward a tongue style for that boot, but perhaps other people have some experience with wraps in a Dobie?).
If you are looking for foot hold, precision, and longest lifespan, go foam liner (Sidas, Boot Doc, Surefoot, etc) or Zip Fit.
BrawnTrendsIs it just me or 45 days seem to be pretty early to change liners?
Profahoben_212I fit about damn perfect in a 25.5 Nordica GPX 130. Any ideas on how I would fun in a 25.5 technica cochise? Seem somewhat simular. I know I won't be able to get a definitive answer here
onenerdykidYes, maybe? How willing are you to get work done on them or get a different liner (if needed)? How often will you be actually touring in them?
Profahoben_212I would definitely be willing to do that, but if there are boots that make more sense I would probably lean more towards one that I don't need a new liner and some work done on.
Also they would be used only for touring. I still have my gpx for inbounds use
onenerdykidThere is, of course, the chance that they work for you out of the box with very little needing done- that's totally a possibility. But if you are prepared to spend a few hours with a fitter and perhaps some re-visits, then I should think that you'll have a super high success rate given that you are already comfortable in a low volume, 98mm fit.
Do you need Alpine DIN compatible soles? If not, then look at boots that are more touring oriented: Hawx Ultra XTD series, MTN Lab, Maestrale RS (but you'll probably need a beefier liner there as it's wafer thin), Zero G GP. All of these boots will be far lighter and tour far better than the Cochise.
Profahoben_212Word....so there are better boots out there that would probably fit around as well.
Super interested in the hawx ultra xtd....those look super killer and you did a great job designing those.
Mtn labs look pretty good too....ive just kinda been scared away from past experiences with solly boots...these boots seem great though and my fear is pretty irrational.
Zero GP looks killer. But they are just so freaking hard to find.
I kinda dread going to a fitter and paying full price. But I'm most likely going to end up doing that. It's my boots and they probably should fit as well as my alpine boots anyways
BrawnTrendsQuick question about my Hawx Ultra 110. Should I wash the liners? Not going to use them until next winter (no summer skiing for me). Put around 40 days in them (5hrs/day on average). The liners do have some sweat stains but don't smell or anything. Is it worth washing? If so, what's the best way to do it?
BrawnTrendsActually I was talking about sweat stains on the grey fabric on the toebox area.
Profahoben_212I am just peppering this thread nowadays.
Anyways...bought a pair of lange XT 130's for an absolutely stupid cheap price. They are the year prior to having tech fittings, but they have a cast tech system installed....how sketchy is it to ski downhill on a cast toe?
If it's sketchy I'll probably just sell the boots...it was just too good of a deal to pass up.
onenerdykidI may be wrong, but you aren't supposed to ski down with the CAST inserts- they're only for going up. They can handle the loads for climbing but not for skiing.
lineskiriderJust got brand new Salomon Quest pro 110s a size bigger than my last pair because somehow i grew out of them in less than a year, but have had problems with circulation in both boots, for some reason after wearing the boots for only a few minutes my feet are asleep and have no blood going to them. Really restricted my skiing the last few years, any suggestions on what to do?
onenerdykidSalomon's boots are incredibly low over the instep for how wide they are. Instep pressure will certainly reduce blood flow to your toes and can lead to numbness and cold feet. Without seeing your feet, this would be my guess as to why you are having some circulation issues.
With that said, are these brand new boots you are talking about? When boots are new, it's the tightest they will ever feel- they'll only get looser. Make sure you have a good footbed to hold your feet in the right position and promote proper blood flow, make sure you have the liners (possibly shells too) molded to your feet, and as a last resort see if you boot-fitter can grind away some of the boot board to give you more volume that will improve your circulation.
