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NeedPlacidI have extreme pain in the middle of my chin and when I try to move it hurts and skiing is almost unbearable. I have full tilt twalls 2013-14 28.5 and the felt fine the first few days I rode them but this weekend I feel like I have really bad shinbang and it sucks cause I can't ski let alone ski to my potential. I occasionally get pain in my toes from overshooting stuff from my toe shooting up until the front of my boot. My boot is tight everywhere up until the top part of the boot right until the middle of my shin and it feels a little loose right at the top of the boot. I think because the wallischs are pretty stiff boots when my shins hit the front of the boot it's brushing my leg. Should I purchase softer tongues or booster straps to keep the liner closed to my skinny ass legs or both?
soupcanThis is going to sound weird but my boots are slightly uncomfortable when I am in the lift line or standing still in the heel cup to be exact (I was fitted and have a custom footbed) but when I'm skiing they are awesome. Is this weird? Thoughts on reasons why this would happen?
swisscheeseWhenever I flex my boots it feels like the back of my foot is being stabbed, like back heel area. This has gone on for so long that it hurts almost too bad to ski from the area being so sensitive. Whats wrong/what do?
onenerdykidAre your boots new? It is common with new boots that have not broken in and/or your feet aren't used to them yet.
onenerdykidIs your liner damaged? Is it a new boot, old boot? Is there something in between your shell and liner that shouldn't be there?
soupcanI have about 20 days in them so far so they are broken in. I noticed it way more when they were new but now it's just kind of a dull soreness when standing in lift lines and grabbing lunch. I don't find it to be unbearable at all just uncomfortable really and when I go skiing it disappears immediately.
swisscheeseI have taken the flex bolts in and out once though, which may be part of the problem?
top.lelso, my problem is this. i have full tilt booters with sidas custom footbeds, when i got them, they were great, i put on the boots in the morning and was out for the whole day with 0 problems, this season on the first day went skiing and after some runs felt some pain underfoot and in the arch area. took out footbeds and was fine. they do well even without the footbeds but i know im missing out on performance, liners have not been heat molded and are probably like 2 seasons old. what do ns
SteezyJ1On the left boot, the bottom screw seems to be working its way upwards compared to the right boot even though it's done up tight and shouldn't move as far as I know. Does anyone know what could be causing this/ what problems this might create?
Do I need to get them checked out?
isaiah_nice28I have full tilt booters and I often get a huge pain in the back of my leg where the boot is in contact with my leg (on the outside and back) -could call this "backofleg-bang"?... I have really skinny legs and there's always a gap at the top of the liner where I could probably put my finger in the space, when I tighten the top to try to eliminate this is, it just squeezes really hard on the outer side of my leg and doesn't fully tighten the gap. So I've become used to shredding with my bottom two buckles tight and the top buckle on the second clip to eliminate this but that results in even more pain if I have a day where I land back-seat on a couple of tricks... what do I do?
onenerdykidIf I'm not mistaken, this a pair of Salomon Impacts and this metal piece can alter the forward lean. It shouldn't be migrating on you though... If you remove the 2 screws and the metal piece, you can see if the holes in the plastic are normal (circular shaped) or deformed (elongated/uneven). If you have the latter, I would suggest going to the shop you got them from (or any official Salomon dealer) and having them take a look at it. It might be grounds for a warranty, but that depends on how old they are and what the actual problem is. Once the shop looks at it, they will be able to tell you.
SteezyJ1Thank you for the quick response. Salomon Impact 120s correct.
I've taken the liners out and unscrewed the problem screw. It looks like the metal piece that holds the screw on the inside of the boot has been moving around - not sure whether a fitter can move it back or whether the plastic has deformed as I couldn't get the metal piece off/ didn't want to push it too hard.
I've attached pictures of each boot from the inside showing the metal pieces that hold the screws from the inside.
Do you think something can be done to fix this? Really don't want to have to buy a new set of boots if it keeps getting worse.
steezkneezI'm 5'11 135 pounds. My feet are about size 11 now and I've got 27.5 boots. They fit perfect everywhere except the toe. When I stand straight its jammed right against the end and when I flex it still touches. When I land hard it hurts. Any advice? I don't have footbeds.
Profahoben_212get footbeds.
Profahoben_212get footbeds.
steezkneezRecommend me a good cheap footbed
cmerI have some new rossi all track pros that are slightly too big, and/or I have too thin of a heel for the current fit. Heel hold is an issue. I was wondering... does anyone have any experience putting foam or some sponge-like material in the shell or perhaps even in the inside of the liner (although I've never heard of anyone doing that - just an idea) to help hold the heel down? Would be curious to know of your experience with this. Where you placed the foam etc... Pictures would be sweet.
rozboonThere is no good cheap footbed. The only good footbed is a custom one and they're not cheap.
But a don't know that a footbed is going to help you much. They don't help too much with elongation of the foot in my experience. You need to check your shell fit, if your toes don't come off the end when you flex then the shell is too small and you need new boots.
Did you go to a bootfitter for these? Or have you grown a bunch since getting them? Toes on the end is about the second thing a fitter will check... and really it's only to confirm the shell fit which is the first thing they should check.
steezkneezI didn't go to a boot fitter. Regretted it lots. But they did for perfect and I loved them until me feet grew a bunch...
rozboonYou'll be please to hear that exact idea is already a thing. They're called J-Bars, they're J-shaped bits of foam that go down the outside of the liner and around the heel to provide better heel hold in this exact situation.
http://www.shredsoles.com/products/j-bar?variant=14582423750 is the first result google gives me - your local store should have some, if they're worth a damn.
s-handI got boots fitted at Inner Boot Works in Stowe (Tecnica Mach1 130 mv). I also got custom footbeds made. The boots felt pretty good except that about halfway through all my days I started feeling a LOT of pressure on my right instep. Like right on the blood vessels and veins and such. It was making my toes go a little numb, and it made the top of my foot hurt. The guy at inner already ground down the bootboard and the tongue of the liner a little bit becaus ehe noticed that I had a high instep when I was in the shop. After about 10 days of skiing them like this, I took them to a local guy in Pittsburgh (unfortunately cannot make the trek back to Stowe to get more adjustments made) to see if more could be done to relieve the pressure in my instep. He said there was no more material on the tongue to grind down, so he ground a little of the cork off of the bottoms of my footbeds (which worried me but I decided to trust the guy). Now there is less pressure on my insteps (good), but my foot feels loose in the boot (bad). Especially the ball of my foot. Is there any way to snug up the fit down there without putting material back underfoot and thus making the painful instep pressure come back? Thanks!
onenerdykidInsteps are tricky, but the Pittsburgh boot-fitter (was it Billy Kaplan?) did the next best thing, and it's what I would have done too (depending on how thick the footbed was and how much could be ground away). The problem with grinding is that once the material is removed, it's hard to go back, which is why you want to work in baby steps, grinding away a small amount at a time. Did he grind away too much compared to the other footbed?
There are volume shims (either firm paper, foam, or plastic) that can be added to the bottom of the footbed to return it back to its normal thickness. Posting foam works great for this as it can be ground away to find the right volume. Perhaps that might be your next step with either boot-fitter.
onenerdykidTo know for sure, you have to remove the claw nuts. But it almost looks like the screw holes for one boot were drilled differently from the other.... This could happen since the holes are made after the shell is injected (meaning they are drilled by a factory worker and therefore subject to human error). But, hard to say when the claw nuts are still in there. Your best bet is to take it to a shop and see what they think.
Is there any slop in the cuff or does it feel like one cuff is standing differently from the other?
SteezyJ1I think the left boot is flexing slightly more than the right.
I took the boots back to the shop earlier (Snow and Rock) and the fitter took the liners out and unscrewed the allen bolts.
Turns out that the claw nuts were not attached the same way on each boot and on the left boot, 4 out of six of the teeth on the claw nut have been sheared off and are stuck in the shell. No idea how this could've happened since I've never touched the bolts myself.
Was advised to contact Salomon directly but after spending a while getting to know the inner workings of their customer service, I was put through to the department that looks after all the parts for Salomon in the UK. Turns out they only deal with suppliers and I was advised to contact the Snow and Rock store again...
Spoke to the guys in store again on phone and email but am yet to get a reply.. Not sure what to do now as even though it looks like there has been some kind of manufacturing error, the boots aren't in warranty.
Even if I can get hold of a new claw nut , I'm not sure it will work as the teeth stuck in the shell would have to be dug out which can't be good for the boot and the new nut might not stay in place either.
Do you have any ideas?!
fuckmekevinI’ve had Full Tilt classics for three years now and they are starting to feel laterally soft. I have 1.5-2cm of space from my heal to the back of the boot, so for this measurement alone they are in a comfortable fitting range. I got them fitted and super foot insoles were put in.
For two seasons I was skiing without insoles and didn’t notice much wrong, except for the packing out of the liner. So this year I got a Full Tilt pro liner and a booster strap. For the past few weeks I’ve been struggling with control. My boots do not feel responsive and I do not feel grounded. Despite this, the boots are tight fitting, so maybe I need a custom footbed and see if that helps. I just want more control and less lag.
SamNewton1I have really bad shin bang after a couple days skiing, its in feels like its in-between the bone and muscle after skiing, but when skiing its right at the front, out in morzine for the season but in Japan at the moment. I have Full Tilt First Chair 8's they were fitted by a guy in morzine who has been bootfitting for a while and used to work for Sidas, i have custom footbeds as i have very flat feet, a power strap on both the shell and the liner to reducd the volume but nothing is doing the trick, in Japan for another 2 weeks and wondered if anyone knew if there was anything i could do in the short term, alternatively whats the best option going forward. Cheers
razors-chazI was fitted by Tom for some lange rx100s with footbeds and liner and shell moulding and extra cuff stiffening bolts in 2013 I've now ridden about 100+ days in them and i'm not feeling the same wonderful fit i used to have in them. I'm starting to get rubbing on my heel in them and feel the top of the cuff is looser than it used to be. I've tried holding my heel down better with the second buckle (from the bottom) but I feel i'm falling in a gap in the micro adjustment between the notches between too tight and sloppy. My question is what do I do? I had to move the top clip of my 4th buckle, quite early into getting them, into the non-drilled spot for the clip so i feel there is little i can do without buying something. is a booster strap likely to ease my woes or are the boots done now and i'd be better off looking at new boots?
I also had a slam recently where i landed with one foot on a rock and heavily flexed the boot and ever since i have had pain around what i guess would be the cuboid bone and it seems to be more aggrivated by landing in switch, is there anything i can do for this?
onenerdykidFootbeds will for sure help, at least with ensuring that your are properly connected to the boot. Aside from that, are there any cracks in or around the hinge areas? Small cracks can definitely lead to what you are experiencing. But also, plastics can age and soften. How many days do you have on your boots? If you have over 150 days in those shells, chances are they are due for replacement.
.MASSHOLE.Alright, I didn't think I would post in here but here I am.
I just finished two days in the Teton Pass doing some touring w/ Cochise Pro Lites and Marker Kingpins.
About half way through each day, my toes started to cramp, to the point where it became painful, so much so I contemplated turning around. It felt like my toes were unable to properly stretch out. On top of this, I received some rubbing on the outside of my ankles and my heels. I am assuming this is due to poor heel hold, could the toe issue be as well?
I have custom footbeds, have had work done on the big toe (punch on each side) and have a Intuition Powerwrap liner.
onenerdykidWhen you say toes, do you mean your actual toes or the met heads (ball of your foot)? If toes, is it underneath your big toe? How tight is your shell fit, 1cm or 2cm?
.MASSHOLE.Actual toes. It feels like it is the toenail on the big toes, and the first and second joint in on the other toes.
1-1.5 cm. Definitely a performance-oriented fit which was my initial reaction.
onenerdykidThe type of shell fit you have plays a big part in this. Combine the snug fit with the shape of the Cochise's shell (specifically the heel, where the shell creates the heel pocket & the total height of the shell in this area), this is a common issue. The height of the heel area of the shell is required for heel retention & forward lean but it also means when touring and you try to stand upright or actually stride forward, it causes your foot to slide to the front. You really feel this during the stride movement and can feel the shell dig into your Achilles area when you try to get full range of movement to the rear.
On full-on touring boots (like the Backland) the upper heel area will be super low (and actually rearward moveable) to prevent the foot from sliding forward when striding. Since downhill performance is really important to the Cochise, they keep more or less a traditional alpine heel construction. So when you combine that with a tight shell fit, your toes will get pretty smashed into the front of the shell when touring.
You can experiment with thinner liners to gain some space, but then you will lose a bit of foot hold for skiing. Or depending on how long the tour is, don't use the ski/walk mechanism. This will keep the boot's forward lean intact and hopefully keep your toes off the front a bit more. Just open the buckles and power strap to get movement to the front.
.MASSHOLE.That was my guess. I've had the boots for 3+ seasons by next season, so I may start to look for a pure AT boot setup for these kinds of days (4k+ in vert)/coaching days that will be coming sooner or later.
My fear is the thinner liner will exacerbate the heel lift that caused the blisters. Guess I will have to reconsider next season on how I want to approach this issue!
Thanks for the break down on the difference between full-on AT boots versus downhill-oriented touring boots.
onenerdykidI honestly had the same problem during the development of the Backland boot. I normally run a 1cm fit in my alpine boots- anything larger and it feels like I am swimming and I'll die. So, I ran the same type of fit in early testing of Backland and I immediately realized that there was no way that was going to work. During touring, the foot simply undergoes too much movement for a 1cm fit. So, in Backland I am one shell size up (so, my "normal" size) and I have to add padding/foam/shims in order to secure my foot for skiing. Once I did that, I was golden.
srg_bchkvNice thread, just in time.I have no access to a bootfitter now and I have a question.
The fitter put me in 26 krypton shell (I wear 9.5 street shoes if it matters). The boots fit very well, no toebang, no shinbang, awesome heel hold. I'm happy with my boots but somehow I think I could go with a smaller size. Now I have to buckle my boots really tight so sometimes my feet are numb and after the liners have packed out there's some more space than I would like in the toe box (still no toebang yet). I've tried on some new 25.5 Kryptons (with unmolded liners and stock insoles) at the shop and they were very tight (about 1 cm shell fit) but still bearable so I think I can be in 25 shell. But should I? I like my boots tight but I'd like not to overtighten them, will a smaller shell help, should I give it a try?
