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ABallsSo I went in today and the fitter put me into a pair of full tilt high fives, I didn't buy them, just got fitted to them. They feel great in the toe and I have a wider foot so they fit well in the lower area. My only concern is that the liner up top hurts a little bit and doesn't go as tight as I'd like it to. The boots are a 28.5 and I'm coming from Spk's that are a 28.5. Is there something odd with my leg or with the intuitions pack out as I ride
onenerdykidWhile the fit in the lower shell is very important, it is just as important to have a great fit in the upper cuff. If these boots are too sloppy for you, definitely do not get them as it can lead to shinbang and general discomfort in your shins, calves.
However, if it is simply a matter of adjusting/repositioning the buckles and heat molding the liner then it could be a simple fix. I would have the boot-fitter definitely try these things before you make a decision. And as always, make sure you get a proper footbed. Quite often, the lack of arch support causes your leg to sit differently in the cuff and therefore not having footbeds can also lead to the pain you are describing.
greeneLooking for some advice here. I bought boots 3 years ago when I was not very good at skiing. I was not fitted when I bought the boots, he recommended a soft flex because I said I skied park. The boots are atomic hawk 80's. I am 6 feet and 185 pounds so these boots are extremely soft for me. The better I have gotten, the more I have noticed how bad the boots fit me. I have plenty of room in many of the parts of my boot and I often feel like I cannot get the boots tight enough for me. I can also max out the flex of the boots by just standing in them. However, I do not have the money to drop 450$ on new fitted boots. Disregarding the issue of fitting, I went to a shop recently and asked if there was any way to make my boots stiffer, the shop tech said that if I riveted the two parts of the shell together on the back of the boot it would make it stiffer. Would you recommend this? Also, if I were to get fitted, do you know of any fitters close to providence, RI?
greeneLooking for some advice here. I bought boots 3 years ago when I was not very good at skiing. I was not fitted when I bought the boots, he recommended a soft flex because I said I skied park. The boots are atomic hawk 80's. I am 6 feet and 185 pounds so these boots are extremely soft for me. The better I have gotten, the more I have noticed how bad the boots fit me. I have plenty of room in many of the parts of my boot and I often feel like I cannot get the boots tight enough for me. I can also max out the flex of the boots by just standing in them. However, I do not have the money to drop 450$ on new fitted boots. Disregarding the issue of fitting, I went to a shop recently and asked if there was any way to make my boots stiffer, the shop tech said that if I riveted the two parts of the shell together on the back of the boot it would make it stiffer. Would you recommend this? Also, if I were to get fitted, do you know of any fitters close to providence, RI?
greeneI went to a shop recently and asked if there was any way to make my boots stiffer, the shop tech said that if I riveted the two parts of the shell together on the back of the boot it would make it stiffer. Would you recommend this? Also, if I were to get fitted, do you know of any fitters close to providence, RI?
tomPietrowskiBolting the shell is a great way to stiffen the flex. I like bolts rather then riveat as you can remove them. You can usually significantly stiffen up the forward flex by boltin the cuff. It won't stiffen them laterally though so they may ski a little soft still but should be better then before.
tomPietrowskiBolting the shell is a great way to stiffen the flex. I like bolts rather then riveat as you can remove them. You can usually significantly stiffen up the forward flex by boltin the cuff. It won't stiffen them laterally though so they may ski a little soft still but should be better then before. A footbed could help take up volume in the boot to and aid you in getting a better fit.
onenerdykidWith the Hawx series of boots, the cuff is already fixed to the shell- there is a male end on the back of the shell that integrates into a female end on the bottom-rear of the cuff (if your boot is transparent you will see it). So, if you add a bolt or two it won't really change things all that much, maybe 5% at the most. But it won't hurt anything either. I just wouldn't expect to feel a huge difference since the cuff is not moving anyway, just the durometer of the plastic is controlling the flex, which is too soft for you.
greeneThanks for the replies guys +k. Because I can't stiffen my boots, I think I might end up just dishing out the money for new, fitted boots. Do either of you know of good, trusted boot fitters near Providence, RI?
greeneThanks for the replies guys +k. Because I can't stiffen my boots, I think I might end up just dishing out the money for new, fitted boots. Do either of you know of good, trusted boot fitters near Providence, RI?
CaptainCokegetting some major toe bang in my t-wall full tilts. they are heat molded and fit like a glove. I got measured as a 28.5 at the first shop i went to and a 28 at where i bought my full tilts. My full tilts are a 28. I'm going to test out cranking the toe and heels super tight after the bruising goes down. any suggestions?
tfbradley23So I've recently purchased a pair of pinnacle 130's and love the the boot but have had a large issue with a large bone spur on the top of my foot. Its right under the middle buckle on my right boot I'm wondering what are the different ways to free up space in that area. I've been to a decent boot fitter and I'm just trying to fund out what can be done. Thanks for you help!
Grilled.SteezeAnyone ever experience any problems with bowlegs fitting in boots? I feel like because my legs look like fuckin hyperbolas the boots dont fit right. I feel pressure on the outer part of my shin, tibialis anterior to be exact. Im pretty sure it's because the boots (obviously) dont curve like my shins do.
onenerdykidFirst things first- always make sure your footbed is properly supporting you and therefore positioning your ankle, knees, legs in proper alignment. If your footbed's alignment is off, then it will not allow you to take the next steps.
Second step- adjust your cuff (provided your boot has lateral cuff alignment, often inaccurately referred to as "canting"). The cuff should be able to be adjusted in a way that allows your leg to sit neutrally, meaning equal distance from the inside of your calf muscle to the inside of the cuff and then equal distance from the outside of your calf muscle to the outside of the cuff.
To do this, remove your liner from the shell and remove your footbed from the liner. Place your footbed in the shell and stand on top of the footbed. From there you will notice which side of the cuff (perhaps both) need adjusting so that there is equal space on each side of your calf. Adjust the cuff alignment accordingly to achieve that, retighten things, and you should be good to go.
If you can achieve both of those things, then your legs should stop hurting.
onenerdykidUnfortunately I don't... more shops in MA come to mind. How far are you willing to drive? Better yet, where do you go skiing? Perhaps there is a good shop near the mountain you go to.
greeneYeah I'm willing to drive up to the Boston area, and I'm hoping to ski at mount snow this year but we will see about that. In your opinion, whats the best boot fitter in the Northeast, just wondering. Also thanks again for the help
SKI.INGNot quite a boot question, but TomP and Onenerdy, I just fractured my pinky toe and I'll be in a boot for a bit. I'll be listening to the health professionals, but was wondering if you had any tips on when and how I'll be able to cram this thing back in a ski boot? And will I notice a big change in fit of my boot?
onenerdykidFirst things first- always make sure your footbed is properly supporting you and therefore positioning your ankle, knees, legs in proper alignment. If your footbed's alignment is off, then it will not allow you to take the next steps.
Second step- adjust your cuff (provided your boot has lateral cuff alignment, often inaccurately referred to as "canting"). The cuff should be able to be adjusted in a way that allows your leg to sit neutrally, meaning equal distance from the inside of your calf muscle to the inside of the cuff and then equal distance from the outside of your calf muscle to the outside of the cuff.
To do this, remove your liner from the shell and remove your footbed from the liner. Place your footbed in the shell and stand on top of the footbed. From there you will notice which side of the cuff (perhaps both) need adjusting so that there is equal space on each side of your calf. Adjust the cuff alignment accordingly to achieve that, retighten things, and you should be good to go.
If you can achieve both of those things, then your legs should stop hurting.
Grilled.SteezeCould you explain exactly how the cuff alignment works? I have the B&E Full Tilts, Im wondering how I actually adjust the cuff alignment. I see the screw labeled "cant system" but I dont understand what Im supposed to do with this.. Sorry if this sounds retarded..
onenerdykidIf I remember correctly, when you unscrew/loosen the hinge cap on the lateral (outside) side, it can be rotated clockwise or counterclockwise (depending which way you need it to go) and this will change the angle of the cuff. If you take the cap completely off, you should see that the part of the cap that interfaces with the cuff & shell is offset (excenter). As you rotate the cap, the excenter will push the cuff in one direction or another, depending on how you rotate the cap.
I think the medial (inside) side operates a different way, one that uses a flip chip set up but I forget.
Either way, you should be able to position the cuff using these adjustments so that the cuff sits equally spaced around your calf. Obviously, this is hard to do by yourself since you need to be in the boot, and ideally someone else (the boot-fitter) is making the adjustments on the boot.
HeshinMy heel comes off the footbed a little when I nollie. Does this happen to everybody or are my boots a bit big? I just try to tighten them down a lot to stop it
SKI.INGNot quite a boot question, but TomP and Onenerdy, I just fractured my pinky toe and I'll be in a boot for a bit. I'll be listening to the health professionals, but was wondering if you had any tips on when and how I'll be able to cram this thing back in a ski boot? And will I notice a big change in fit of my boot?
JibbaTheHuttMy girlfriend has bought new boots for this season, they're the first set she has owned (always been in rentals). She bought the haws 90w, I'm happy that as a shell they suit her feet, she has a medium to wide last, medium ankle and quite a high volume foot. We had custom sidas footbeds made and I'm happy that they were one correctly, we also did a small grind on the footboard to free up a little more volume in the boot.
She hasn't skied that much in them yet, only 3 days, but she says every time she has had intense aching on the lower calf that pushes her to the point of tears. She is a reasonable skier, happy to ski all reds and sometimes blacks, and she is a medium build, so i don't think the boot is too stiff for her. This pain tends to dissipate after roughly an hour of skiing, but at this point she sometimes doesn't even want to ski because of the pain. She says she has had this in every pair of ski boots she has ever worn, she's always just tried to ski through it but its really put her off skiing which sucks.
is it possible that the boots are just bedding in, surely there shouldn't be intense aching during bedding in.
i haven't touched any of the calf adjustment, is it worth looking t adjusting this? she has medium ankle flexion.
avenueI was planning on buying these boots off a friend so he let me try them out for the day. After about a half hour I felt a burning feeling in both legs/feet but continued on. About an hour after that the pain became much more severe and was very hard for me to continue. After I took them off my ankles were in extreme pain and I couldnt even walk. Was this because the boots were heat molded to his feet or the boot itself. Im getting these for a steal so I really want to figure this out. Will reheatmolding them solve my problem? They're in my size and have a good fit but using them for a decent amount of time has became a problem. Im really hoping that getting them reheatmolded will fix this problem please give me some advice. Thanks
onenerdykidHer problem sounds like a couple of things. For starters, is this the new Hawx 2.0 or the older 1.0 (the old one has black "gills" on the sides of the feet, the new 2.0 will not). If she does have the new Hawx 2.0 90W, then it also has Memory Fit which allows the shell to be placed in a special boot-fitter oven and be formed to her foot & leg shape. This will help a lot if it has not already been done.
Secondly, new boots will take some time to brake in, so for the first 5-10 days it might be not pleasant. However, if she wears the boots around the apartment/house for 20 minutes at a time, it will really help a lot.
And thirdly, it sounds like your girlfriend has either rather larges calves or she is standing too upright/leaning back in the boot. The volume adjuster on all Hawx W boots is in the lowest, most open position and the forward lean is a moderate 15°. The plastic cuff can be heated and stretched for even more volume if needed (but it will require a better-than-average fitter to do that).
JibbaTheHuttshe's in the hawx 2.0, the shell check was right, we didn't mold the shell, so maybe that will help, she found her feet were starting to go numb today, potentially something to do with not enough volume in the boot?
From there it's making sure she is skiing in the proper position, which will also help blood flow to her toes.
JibbaTheHutti suppose the fact that she's had a similar pain in all previous boots points towards an issue with technique? might just have to take a few days working really heavily on technique and hope thats it, I'm just a little worried that this problem will persist and she isn't going to want to go skiing.
s-handMy boots fit spectacularly in every regard except that I always get significant pain on my inner ankle bones after about 3 hour of wearing them. I have pronating ankles, which i assume causes that bone to push up against the shell of the boot. I have Sidas drop-in footbeds and a pretty significant heel wedge on the inside of the heels (to rotate my foot to a more neutral position). Both of these were recommended by a local bootfitter. Is there anything else I can add/do to reduce the pressure I am feeling? Thanks!
StoseI bought a pair of full tilt b and e pro models last week. The shop heated them to my feet. They were fitting with the buckles sitting about half way between the smallest and largest they can be adjusted too. Fast forward two days, I get to my local hill, and even with the boots adjusted as lose as possible they are so insanely right it's painful to ski, and I could barely get the buckled. I think that when they were getting heat molded that they didn't have me leave my foot in long enough and so the boot shrank. Or is it possible something else is gojng wrong?
StoseI bought a pair of full tilt b and e pro models last week. The shop heated them to my feet. They were fitting with the buckles sitting about half way between the smallest and largest they can be adjusted too. Fast forward two days, I get to my local hill, and even with the boots adjusted as lose as possible they are so insanely right it's painful to ski, and I could barely get the buckled. I think that when they were getting heat molded that they didn't have me leave my foot in long enough and so the boot shrank. Or is it possible something else is gojng wrong?
radishI was fitted to some full tilts last year, and I'm finding that they do not hold my heel and ankle in place like they should. When I flex super far forward, my heel slips up, and when I land back seat, the boot puts pressure on my lower shin causing shin bang. I got footbeds, and even shorter cables for the upper two buckles, but the problem persists. I think I need a super low volume boot with a narrow last and the most intense heel hold there is. I will be buying this from a fitter, but there are several shops near me that all carry different boots, so if I can get a brand recommendation, ill start there.
TL;DR super low volume, narrow boot that will hold my womanly ankles in place?
rtl32If you don't mind race boots I feel like that realm would open up a lot of options for you, Lange, Atomic, Technica, etc.
You could go with a rossi or fischer boot and get the vaccum fit. I have mad wide toes and a skinny ass heel, with a wide ankle and that did the trick flawlessly with me when no other boot would.
radishThats kinda what I am thinking. I like really stiff boots too, I have the 10 flex tongue in my full tilts and it almost is on the soft side.
A guy in one of the shops said the lange rs 130, or one of the stiffer Rossi boots might work.
Thanks for the response! Still open to suggestions tho!
radishI was fitted to some full tilts last year, and I'm finding that they do not hold my heel and ankle in place like they should. When I flex super far forward, my heel slips up, and when I land back seat, the boot puts pressure on my lower shin causing shin bang. I got footbeds, and even shorter cables for the upper two buckles, but the problem persists. I think I need a super low volume boot with a narrow last and the most intense heel hold there is. I will be buying this from a fitter, but there are several shops near me that all carry different boots, so if I can get a brand recommendation, ill start there.
TL;DR super low volume, narrow boot that will hold my womanly ankles in place?
ABallsAny tips for heel lift? It's not frequent but it happens if I land heavy on my noses.
ABalls^i have aout 2cm of room and a pretty good range of ankle motion. However, I do not own a footbed, is it worth the investment?
tomPietrowskiQuite simply yes. I honestly don't think you can get a good fit without using a custom footbed.
tomPietrowskiProper custom footbeds will be the first place to sTart. Trim to fits very rarely work effectively. I would start by getting some good customs which can better hold you close to neutral. From there you could have te shell blown out to give extra space if needed but don't do any stretching until you have the foot locked down inside.
