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Snowboarder Hits Kid on Skis>Kid's Dad Hits Snowboarder With Kid's Ski

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P_Doze
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxAFeEKUSVA
fast forward to 4:15 unless you want to see epic gopro footage

Dec 5 2013 12:08PM
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mriceyman
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Bad timing for everyone but that father was a complete dick
Dec 5 2013 12:10PM
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GayWolf420
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kid got wrecked, typical snowboarder scraping snow off the run slamming into people
Dec 5 2013 12:11PM
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.frenchy
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Wow that is fucked... The snowboarder was actually sincere in his apology to the little girl and the dad whacks him? What a fucking chad.
Dec 5 2013 12:12PM
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ShredMasterPlus
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Snowboarder deserved it, he barely even got hit little smack. Stay in control on busy groomed runs.
Dec 5 2013 12:12PM
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ny300z
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man i woulda had to beat up that guy in front of his kid. it was an accident that fuck had no right smacking the snowboarder.


Dec 5 2013 12:12PM
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Substitute
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The boarder said he was sorry. Mabye the dad shouldnt stop in the middle of the trail with his kid. And instead of helping his son he rages at the guy. WTF
Dec 5 2013 12:15PM
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OG_Loc
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no waaaay, he was going around another kid and got boxed in, He cant control what other people do and even if it was more his fault than anything else, colliding with people is an assumed risk and is going to happen sooner or later to everyone, no need for the dad to be such a captain testosterone about it and go help his kid instead of beating up the snowboarder who made an honest mistake,
Dec 5 2013 12:22PM
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40oz.
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wow thats some shit, the snowboarder wasn't at fault. People dont just hit little kids for fun. They were stopped in the middle of the trail and the little kid rolled out in front of him and he was trying to avoid someone else.

If that dad would have hit me like that, I would not have taken it lightly, shit like that is uncalled for.
Dec 5 2013 12:27PM
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UncleGerry
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A dad like that came up to me and started threatening to put me in the hospital one time at Squaw. I beat the shit out of him on mountain run. Fuck people like that.
Dec 5 2013 12:30PM
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Mr.Huck
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The snowboarder actually pushed off of another kid right before he ran over this one. Can't believe you're sticking up for him. An apology doesn't cut it. And the guy just took off while the kid was screaming. Didn't offer to get patrol. I'm pretty chill when it comes to most things, but when it comes to my kids, all bets are off. This guy would have gotten way worse from me.
Dec 5 2013 12:32PM
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ABalls
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This happens at my hill all the time. You can't really blame the boarder since it is harder for them to stop on a dime. On a different note, I hope that little dude is ok.
Dec 5 2013 12:32PM
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thesoloist
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the way I see it, dad is way over his head. boarder is trying to avoid another kid earlier, and this kid comes out BEHIND the dad with NO uphill visual possible. dad should've stopped his son...
Dec 5 2013 12:35PM
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40oz.
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He didn't push off that other kid at all, she was swerving in front of him which is why he was getting out of the way and if anything it looks like the dad let go of the kid that and thats why he started to go and went right out in front of the snowboarder.

If you're going to have a small child on the hill and stop in the middle of the run you HAVE to look up hill before taking off.

And I am no dad but I can imagine I would be extremely pissed off too without a doubt, but would I hit a kid over it? No I'd be more worried about my son.

Also for you too say you would do much worse to the kid makes you sound like a irresponsible person at best, they even say the kid is not of age (18). If I saw something like this go down on my hill and I wasn't even involved but saw a older man/father hit a boy, you bet your ass we would have some issues.
Dec 5 2013 12:39PM
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will_powder
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Read the skiers code, downhill skier has right of way. Yeah it sucks that he got "boxed in", but you could see it coming from a mile away.
Dec 5 2013 12:41PM
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will_powder
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Plus he passes patrol right before ahaha
Dec 5 2013 12:42PM
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dross250
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Sorry but it's also the dad's responsibility to teach his son the Alpine Code of Conduct.. which clearly states look UP before you merge back onto the run. Secondly I seriously doubt the kid was in any kind of danger even after being hit.. That was your classic low speed collision and in my opinion both parties were equally responsible. The dad crossed the line and is lucky no one wanted to step up and give the dad what he deserved. Glad nobody was seriously hurt
Dec 5 2013 12:42PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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While the dad was a turd for stopping in the middle of the trail with his kid I don't really see what uphill visual has to do with anything. Brush up on your skier/rider responsibility code.

Always stay in control, and be able to stop or avoid other people or objects.
People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them.
You must not stop where you obstruct a trail, or are not visible from above.
Whenever starting downhill or merging into a trail, look uphill and yield to others.
Always use devices to help prevent runaway equipment.
Observe all posted signs and warnings. Keep off closed trails and out of closed areas.
Prior to using any lift, you must have the knowledge and ability to load, ride and unload safely.

So they are both wrong I guess.

It was a little out of line though to swing a sharpened edge at someone's head. Boarder wasn't being horribly reckless IMO.
Dec 5 2013 12:43PM
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.frenchy
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Hah, alright. And if you tried to hit me with your childs ski after I ACCIDENTALLY hit your kid, after I appologized... I wouldn't be pretty stoked about that.
Dec 5 2013 12:44PM
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ny300z
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yea Mr Huck i think u gotta watch the vid again, i agree with everything 40oz said.


Dec 5 2013 12:44PM
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40oz.
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And to add, they are both in the wrong but that doesn't justify a grown ass man hitting a young boy. Imagine how fucked you would be if the older kids dad was following behind, legally or physically. 
Dec 5 2013 12:46PM
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Huck_Norris
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Downhill skier always has the right of way no matter what. If you hit someone from uphill you are always the asshole because there was no way they could ever know you were coming- but you should have definitely taken their presence into account. The idiot literally pushed off of a kid just as he plowed into the second one. This dude is a retard, plain and simple... Not to mention blows ass on a board.


Dec 5 2013 12:48PM
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will_powder
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For me it looks like the kid was moving downhill already, just being shielded from the father. Then he peeps out, while already moving and the snowboarder clocks him. Seriously why was the boarder going that close to the father son anyway, nothing good was going to happen in that situation.
Dec 5 2013 12:49PM
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Mr.Huck
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This exactly. If you hit someone from behind it IS your fault every time. There are no exceptions. Yeah this was a boom boom thing, but it was still the boarders fault. By getting up and leaving he made it worse. There have been cases where this has happened and the person at fault was charged with assault, and one landmark case in Co where the person who got hit died and the kid who hit him was charged with manslaughter and did jail time. I know there are some patrolers on NS. Some of them need to weigh in on this.

I wouldn't beat up a kid, and I would have been checking to make sure my kid was OK. I would have ripped his Gopro off his helmet and turned it over to patrol at the bottom so they could have seen what happened.
Dec 5 2013 12:52PM
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theabortionator
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Dad's need to do less roids sometimes.

Even if the kid took him out no need to hit someone with a ski. Honestly watching the video you can't even tell there is a kid behind him that's just going to come out right in front of him. He was avoiding the little girls on the left and all the sudden joey pops out.

It was an accident, shit happens. Kids I only watched the little bit before but they weren't even riding like dicks.
Dec 5 2013 12:55PM
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will_powder
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This is the description on the video

"As the mother of a 17-year-old son, I try to teach him how to be respectful of people. I want him to learn to be kind and caring and to keep his anger in check. That is a hard goal to accomplish in this world, but I believe it is possible.

On Black Friday, I allowed my son to go snowboarding with friends at Snowbasin Ski Resort. While there, an unfortunate accident occurred. My son was boarding slightly faster than the younger kids on the slopes, which wasn't that fast, although I can't say how fast. But a young girl skied in front of my son from the side. In order to avoid hitting her, you can see how he puts his hand out to guide himself off her shoulder to go another direction. It appears that he is in the clear, but an adult male who is stopped on the slopes appears to have his small son ski out from behind him at the last moment My son couldn't avoid the unfortunate collision that happened. They appear to hit pretty hard and end up sliding down the hill together. The video is long, but the accident happens at about 4:16. I uploaded the whole thing for perspective.

I am proud of my son's initial response, which was to turn all the way around and ask "are you ok, buddy?" The boy wasn't crying initially. The next thing that happened was the boy's father went after my son. The profanities ensued as he called my boy a name, then proceeded to punch him in the head.

I understand this man's anger and wanting to protect his son, as I feel the same way. When someone hurts my son, I too want to protect him. But my son had an unintentional accident with his young son. My son's initial reaction was to make sure the boy was alright. His own dad didn't even go check on him until he beat on my son. Throughout the encounter, my son stayed silent, while continuing to look back at the boy repeatedly. He was still concerned about the boy.

I'm not happy with the language used by his friend, but I'm very, very appreciative of his coming to the defense of my son. I can't explain how much I appreciate him being there to stand up for my son. Who knows how it may have gone if he hadn't been there to let the dad know he was out of control and it wasn't okay. Thank you to him!!

I'm posting this video because I want this to eventually reach the man who hit my son. I want him to understand the irony of him screaming at my juvenile son to stay in control, while punching him in the head. Irony. Some people don't deserve the respect I teach my son to give them. I love you, son. One of you was out of control, and it wasn't you."

Luls
Dec 5 2013 12:56PM
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ny300z
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if they were all going downhill ok but the guy and his son were clearly stopped sideways in the middle of the busy trail when his kid slide out from behind the dad (which obviously made it harder to see him coming out)

getting up and leaving? he clearly slides on his ass an stops and says are u ok? while sliding out. He DID NOT LEAVE

even if he was wrong it was a accident and the grown man was the wrong one and who deserves to be knocked out.

the video wouldve proved the snowboarder did nothing wrong and the father did.


Dec 5 2013 12:58PM
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Mag
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Yeah of course the snowboarder was at fault, but it still wasn't really an avoidable situation, so you can't be mad at him.

Why are ski dads always so fucking angry?
Dec 5 2013 12:59PM
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theabortionator
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Sure bro
Dec 5 2013 12:59PM
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TheBigApple
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I avoid crowds so this situation doesn't crop up.
Dec 5 2013 1:00PM
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Huck_Norris
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What you're not admitting is that when you're skiing or riding the onus is on you to see and be aware of everything below you. If he was doing that he would have immediately seen he was getting closed out and stopped with the first kid- or *gasp* reacted immediately instead of just sliding straight like a fucking mouthbreather and pushing the kid that was coming at him. Honestly, this kid would die in a mogul field as he seems unable to account for anything farther out than 2'.

I'm not saying the dad reacted ok in his reaction, but it's not like he gave the asspipe even 1/10th of what his kid just received so IMO that kid needs to shut the fuck up and not whine about angry dads, if he was the least bit on point this wouldn't have even happened.
Dec 5 2013 1:01PM
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Blurst
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Shoulda just grabbed the kid and rode away with him. Win win, snowboarder doesnt get punched and the Dad doesnt have to deal with a kid.
Dec 5 2013 1:02PM
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Huck_Norris
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Want to know how I know you've never taken a kid skiing before?
Dec 5 2013 1:03PM
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will_powder
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I don't ski within a 5m radius of new skiers, there was no reason for him to be heading that close to the father and son. Even without that green girl cutting him off he would have past them very closely, like 2m?


And to the guy above^^^. Duh he left the scene, he sat there for like 10 seconds, got punched and left. Staying means waiting for patrol, which is lucky cause there was a patroller right there.
Dec 5 2013 1:04PM
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El_Barto.
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Dont stop in the middle of the run with your kid if you dont want to get them run over. Teach your kid to ski downhill not across it if you dont want them to get run over.

Both parties are at fault. Boarder to took to tight of a line. Dad stopped in a bad spot.

Shit happens on the mountain. If you cant handle an accident like a composed and rational adult then you shouldnt be up on the mountain, let alone with your kids
Dec 5 2013 1:05PM
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will_powder
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*passed
Dec 5 2013 1:05PM
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theabortionator
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I don't care what you do. I only quoted part of your response for a reason. You said you could seem him a mile away. That's BS. Kid popped out of nowhere.

I'm not even arguing that the kid shouldn't have been slowing down or that it wasn't his fault.
Dec 5 2013 1:10PM
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skitheeast77
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Read the skiers code buddy. What the dad was doing is not allowed by the resort
Dec 5 2013 1:11PM
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40oz.
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I'm just saying it doesn't fucking matter who was at fault, not does it matter if the "kid barely got hit".

That is not okay and I can promise you with every bone in my body that if I was that kids friend or someone else on the hill that dad would have bigger problems on his hand.

And shut the fuck up bitch the kid isn't even complaining!
Dec 5 2013 1:14PM
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MattL_RG
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The snowboarder really shouldn't have tried to cut it close between that first kid to his left and the dad in front of him. I didnt see that kid pull out either, but he shouldn't try to squeeze in between like that. He should've just tried to stop. With that being said, that dad is a dick and the kid apologized. Sincere mistake on the part of the snowboarder
Dec 5 2013 1:18PM
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Huck_Norris
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Who look out everybody we've got a fuckin' total badass over here hahahahahahahahahaha


You wouldn't do shit and you know it.
Dec 5 2013 1:19PM
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40oz.
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No not a total badass, that shit is just flat out WRONG. Any father who raises his hand on another child should be questionable with their own child.

So fuck you because I promise you I would have. You don't know me.
Dec 5 2013 1:22PM
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benlokhorst
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If the kid was just skiing normally and hadn't stopped in the middle of the run, then yes the snowboarder would be at fault, since it is in the alpine code to avoid those downhill. 

However, the father and his kid were stopped in the middle of the run, and the kid practically appeared out of no where from behind the dad, with no care in looking uphill to make sure the path was clear.  Another rule states that when starting downhill, you must look uphill to ensure no one is in your vicinity.  For that reason I'd say the father is at fault for not teaching the kid that lesson, although he probably doesn't know it himself seeing as how he stopped in the middle of a busy run...
Dec 5 2013 1:22PM
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Mr.Huck
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I am PSIA Level 3 cert, USSCA coaches level 2 cert. The Skier's Responsibility Code is something we were forced to memorize. Ironically, this kid's mom was an idiot for throwing this video on youtube. If the little kid was hurt, the dad can use this as evidence. Yes, the dad might get dinged for third degree assault, which is a misdemeanor, but the boarder could get worse if the kid was injured.

We live in a litigious world, and this is all a mediocre lawyer would need to successfully sue the snowboarder's parents for damages. You guys may not want to hear this and I'll take the hate. The boarder was going too fast for the amount of traffic and the conditions, and he hit someone from behind. The kid was not merging from another trail as some were claiming.
Dec 5 2013 1:24PM
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El_Barto.
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notbad.obama
Dec 5 2013 1:24PM
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40oz.
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Are you kidding me? It would be Assault on a Minor, a lot higher penalties than a misdemeanor.
Dec 5 2013 1:28PM
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Huck_Norris
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Hahaha that is awesome, gotta love the taste of a good foot at lunchtime ;) . Not saying you're wrong but skiing with kids can be like herding cats sometimes and the average dad isn't a trained professional- but that fact does not give uphill riders the right to ignore their responsibilities to everyone else below, which I believe this kid did. As soon as I saw him just plow straight ahead when the other kid came into his path I was like "Oh jeez here we go" That boarder sucks on the snow and has the reaction speed of a fkn slug- I mean does he know another move besides the falling leaf?? Any halfway competent rider would have been way ahead of that IMO. Just sayin'.

The kid wasn't TRYING to hurt people, he was just being an idiot and blasted a little kid. That's why you pay attention and look ahead when there's people around. You aren't entitled to a straight line of trajectory obviously.

Yes the dad was a dick but that's the risk you run when you operate out of control or aren't paying attention. It's not like the dad had his kid at a choke point, blind curve or any kind of bottleneck, the boarder was just an idiot.


Oh well. In any case everyone is fine and nothing is to be gained from this thread. Cheers.

Dec 5 2013 1:28PM
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