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Sammy's Orbital 10 - New rotation or not.

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Mr.Huck
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Yes, the video is on the Home page, but I thought this might be a fun discussion. It is definitely sick whatever it is and looks like a dub flat to me, but do you guys think this is something new? Did a gym session a few days ago with some friends and one guy was trying to do this off a mini tramp into a foam pit. Never really got close to the same rotation.

The whole edit is unreal, especially the hand drags. The underflip hand drag was so sick.

Anyway, the Orbital 10 is the last shot. Thoughts?

Nov 25 2013 3:37PM
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Peter.
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i agree with the dub bio 10

never looks like he got his feet over his head
Nov 26 2013 10:25AM
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Iraq_Lobster
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the only one who can settle this is sammy himself
Nov 26 2013 10:46AM
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White_Goodman
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looks like a really flat dub flat 10.
Nov 26 2013 10:56AM
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~Gotama~
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im no expert, but to me it looks like a cork 10. hes spinning pretty much normally, no flip, for the first 540 and then tucks his head under (barely) at the last 540 to make it a cork. Im definitely not seeing his head go under twice, so i wouldnt call it a double anything.
Nov 26 2013 11:13AM
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jessejames
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Maybe, but Sammy's look way cooler and Sammy's second rotation mirrors his first, while Henrik's doesn't.
Nov 26 2013 11:19AM
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3rik
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He does bio 3 into bio/misty 7, definitely a dub bio 10.
Nov 26 2013 7:41PM
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Slowbro
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DJ Flips yo. Switch dub 10 was a hexo flip and switch dub 12 was tornado
Nov 26 2013 8:03PM
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Benson.
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That's a dub bio 10.
Nov 26 2013 8:22PM
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willysworld
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It's not a double flat spin or a double misty its a double bio 1080
Nov 26 2013 8:40PM
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t_nullmeyer
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the whole thing is kinda deceiving. in his instagram video, the first clip you can clearly see he opens up his chest, which would make me think oh dub flat. but on the second clip, he drops his shoulder, closing his chest, making that one like dub bio/misty......
Nov 26 2013 8:44PM
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noreasterprod
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Can we just pause from this argument of trick naming for a second to appreciate how insanely flat sammy's flatspins are
Nov 26 2013 9:13PM
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jessejames
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My thoughts exactly
Nov 27 2013 10:00AM
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Dode
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It looked like he threw it forward to me so I don't think it's a dub flat but like a dub forward true flat or some weird shit like that
Nov 27 2013 2:58PM
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TheButterHashira
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what this guy said.
Nov 27 2013 9:37PM
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FerrisBueller
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its the same as dollos lobster flip, slightly less off axis and with a different grab.
Nov 27 2013 9:50PM
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Potguy
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I agree with the dub bio 10 verdict
Nov 27 2013 10:04PM
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skiierman
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That's amazing! It's almost like you watched Henrik's run two posts above you and you just copied what LVV said!


Just wait, now everyone will be like, "Yeah dub flat, that's all. it's so easy to tell"
Nov 27 2013 11:25PM
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Dustin.
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These threads always point out that a huge portion of people on here don't even know the difference between cork, rodeo, flat, or misty. Rowen's old trick description thread is money, should be a sticky.
Nov 28 2013 12:24AM
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AlexMartini
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shit i thought it was double tornado spin
Nov 28 2013 12:45AM
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White_raven
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Henrik harlaut does it in B&E Blackout at 03:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFgAPDJFqkg
Nov 28 2013 6:42AM
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alexg1687
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I'm going to go out on a limb here. I don't think it's a double anything. I think it's a completely normal 1080 grabbed with a straight leg. That makes his body look off axis but if you look at his non-grabbed leg it's pretty much below his body the whole time. After about 540 he seems to go slightly corked but I don't think he's really off axis....perhaps the strain of holding a straight leg grab pushed him that way, but I don't think this is a new trick of any sort.
Nov 28 2013 8:14AM
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Lemuel
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No, they aren't. You are thinking of a wackflip, which for some reason the skiing population has decided to call a flatspin even though it is not even close.
Nov 28 2013 8:25AM
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corona
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The one at 2:52 I'd call a flat 5 to switch misty 5.


The first rotation definitely seems like an actual flat spin. not the wack-flip type flat spin people do. he comes out of that rotation in a landing position after a 540 rotation.

The second look at it solely after the first 5, when he's starting switch in an upright position. He throws left backwards over is shoulder and rotates over his shoulder until his feet really are above his centre of mass. I's say that's a switch misty.
Nov 28 2013 8:38AM
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timC
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dub bio obvi bro
Nov 28 2013 10:04AM
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timC
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also shoulda kept it at 7
Nov 28 2013 10:05AM
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Mr.Huck
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Truth and I love Trick Guide II is such a great thread.

https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/221589/

Also, the problem as I see it is that, the flatter the rotation is from takeoff, the tougher it is to tell whether it's being thrown forward like a misty or back like a rodeo. Misty you throw high to low; rodeo you throw low to high. This he is throwing straight across so it is technically not like either of those.
Nov 28 2013 11:21AM
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minihef
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Exactly, which is why properly flat flat spins and bios are often pretty much identical and blur into one another, especially with bigger rotations. It's no surprise that most people in this thread are either saying it's a really flat flat or a bio. I don't think either is incorrect.
Nov 28 2013 9:33PM
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Shifties4Dayz
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I feel like its a dub Lincoln, but instead of flipping with feet over head, he rotates around a vertical point. Whatever it is, it's dope as hell
Nov 28 2013 10:58PM
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CRiP
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definitely seems like the lobster flip with a bow and arrow
Nov 28 2013 11:11PM
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elinde
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The line between dub flat 10 and dub bio 10 on skis is pretty thin. People tend to throw flats on skis kind of forward sometimes, so the two tricks can look very similar. I would say the second to last trick is a super flat dub flat and the last one dub bio 10.
Nov 30 2013 10:50PM
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brandonloos_21
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Are you guys legitimately fucking kidding me. It's a dub orbital 10 obviously.
Jul 22 2014 11:47PM
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lurking
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Why was this thread brought back?
Jul 23 2014 1:24AM
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montanan
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i dont give a fuck what it was. that was fresh as fuck and sammy the fucking man.
Jul 23 2014 11:33AM
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knuckle_thugging
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It looks like vinny's dub bio without a genie
Jul 24 2014 1:44AM
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.ZT.
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I think it's a double bio 10.
Jul 24 2014 1:17PM
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