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Sammy's Orbital 10 - New rotation or not.

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Mr.Huck
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Yes, the video is on the Home page, but I thought this might be a fun discussion. It is definitely sick whatever it is and looks like a dub flat to me, but do you guys think this is something new? Did a gym session a few days ago with some friends and one guy was trying to do this off a mini tramp into a foam pit. Never really got close to the same rotation.

The whole edit is unreal, especially the hand drags. The underflip hand drag was so sick.

Anyway, the Orbital 10 is the last shot. Thoughts?

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A-Bois
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Click for larger imagefffgff
Pre-hair loss tom agrees
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Miomo
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You didn't try hard enough.
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nutz.
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Happens at 2:51 for anyone who's too lazy to watch the whole thing
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RubberSoul
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ive never heard the word "orbital" as a trick name until recently and now i've heard it twice this week, what's the deal with that?

also threads, can't watch vid right now
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ski0
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he calls in a DUB orbital to be clear.
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Alvaro
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its a flat 5 to flat 5
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Bonzalo
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Looks more like a flat 3 to a flat 7. I think the grab makes the whole trick, if he was grabbing a japan it would look more like a double rodeo 10.
Anyway, its always sick to see new tricks and new double variations.
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Gypsy_Skier
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It's a dub misty, vinnycash does them all the time /thread
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minihef
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Haha, you can't end the thread by mis-labelling the trick - it is definitely not a double misty. It's an unusual looking and very flat double flat.
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TomWallnuss
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Anyway to watch this somewhere else than youtube? Can´t watch it here due to some copyright bullshit
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Alvaro
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its un sammy`s instagram
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Mr.Huck
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I also have to disagree with you. There's more flip in a Misty. His feet never come over his head. I can throw Misty's no problem, but throwing something flat like that still vexes me. I have to start like I'm throwing a lincoln and gradually try to flatten it out. It's like you have to punch across instead of "punching the midget" for a misty.
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galardogod
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Its called a bio wich in this case he does like a flatspin in to a bio like a really flat flatspin
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Parks.
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lol at the war over what it is. not too sure but it looks fucking sweet. different from dub flat IMO
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Heart
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After watching it a good 50 times, I think it is indeed a new rotation.

Here's my take. In a normal, uncorked rotation, the axis you spin around is changing. It starts as the red line on the left side of my diagram. It then rotates to the left, and should be perpendicular to the landing upon landing. In the orbital rotation, however, it appears that Sammy rotates solely around a vertical line - see the right side of my diagram. This makes the rotation look almost like a flatspin/rodeo.

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E-fry
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the one sammy does in that video is for sure a dub bio, but people have done a sort of cross between bio and flat. that just wasn't really one.
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Toaster-Tony
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Wouldn't that just be a double flat then?
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icon1234
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Isn't this just the lobster flip henrik does but with a different grab? (second jump)

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mski
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Not new, but dope
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galardogod
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YES. This it was on the tip of my tounge! This is what this is
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noahmdubs
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to me, it seems like a cross between a misty and a flat. sort of like a front flip flat
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Blurst
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Id say thats about as close that has been done before.
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Paul.
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The one on the right just looks like a pole dancer with skis on
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baaangthat
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first couple thoughts when i first saw this edit:

thats a lobster 10 bow-arrow

i hate that kids are going to call this a double...its not even a single

this is what a flatspin used to look like 10 years ago before a "flatspin" just became a backflip japan.
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Puzzled
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thats henrik
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NotGhood
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My first take was that it looked like a very slightly off axis 10 exaggerated by the grab

I wasn't impressed
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JonnyK
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It looks like a dub flat but he seems to go into a different spin before he goes flat. Either way it's a fucking dope trick.
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schism
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I feel like justin dorey did a trick very similar in a Level 1 movie a few years back. I want to say turbo?
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t_rob
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Ben.
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Yep!

He lands on his back in the one in the movie, but apparently hes landed them.
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elinde
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It's just like an insanely flat dub flat or dub rodeo. It's the flat motion, with his legs basically spinning around his body (this probably makes no sense to anyone but me) as if he were sitting in a chair. I guess the last one could maybe be called dub bio as it's kind of a forward set. But in the end I'd probably just call it a realllllly flat dub flat.
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VANULAR
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i thought it was a double misty 1080 , same kinda trick everyone learns on the trampoline and throws into foam pits.
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ZAHNER
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id say its a TRUE flatspin, hes flat as shit in the air. most "flat" spins are flips.. id got with dub flat 10, just super mellow
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ZAHNER
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shit i was lookin at the second to last dub 10... not too sure about that last shot. dub bio 10?
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Ski_The_E
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looks dub rodeo to me
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J-Dubb
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Definitely a REAL dub flat. So filthy.
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Mr.LemonPie
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Alright so I look at the second half of this spin as like a chest down flatspin. So look at it like this, the rotations in skiing we have that are thrown backwards are Rodeo, D-Spin, Cork, and Flatspins. Then forwards we have mistys and Bios. So I think the first half of the trick is pretty much just straight flat, but then the second half would be whatever the opposite of a flatspin but thrown forward would be called, just like how (In my mind) a cork is opposite bio and a dspin is opposite a misty.
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Theskiingguy
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This. dub bio 10
You can look at Sammys vs Henriks lobster just as they're throwing it, and it's clear they're different. Henrik's leaning backwards, opening up and back as he gets the first 90 rotation, while Sammy is slightly forward leaning his right shoulder downwards.
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marso
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Okay how the fuck is this a flatspin??? Aren't flatspins backward? At least this trick is not. I'd say the trick spins somewhere between the axes of a bio (forward spin) and a cork (thrown to the side). And i think that there's no need for a "fifth direction" since we've already got four: bios and mistys are forward, flatspins and underflips are backward, and when spinning left, corks are thrown to the left side and rodeos to the right. So I don't see it logical to give a name for a trick that is between a bio and a cork, but not for example for a trick that spins between a bio and a rodeo. I'm not sure why did I even bother to write this thing because it seems that everybody's just trying to guess the names, and nearly no one really gives a proper explanation of their thoughts.
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Mr.Gaga
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Second angle is weird but from the first angle (2:49-2:52) it realy looks like a flatspin.
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49566738265
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That would be impossible since his feet never go above his head.
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E__
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I'd definitely go with a dub bio 10, he throws forward and then just flattens out when reaching for the grab.
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J_Christoph
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Damn Sammy's edits get me every time. Surprised it wasn't to a dl incognito song though haha
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dispatchQ_main
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The name orbital is wicked cool. Skiing needs more original sounding trick names like kangaroo flip.
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c4t_l0ver
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Hate threads like these, nobody can agree on what the fuck it is.
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THUGwife
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The only way to stop these ridiculous discussions is to vote for a dedicated panel of judges that discuss new tricks and give a final verdict on what they are.
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RubberSoul
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okay i watched it. i don't see why anyone would think it wasn't a dub bio/ dub misty.

regardless, sick fuckin trick
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Kunkle75
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moop instead of cork no?
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Slowbro
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cause people like to think they are better than everyone because they know what a "true flatspin" looks like
Definitely a sick dub bio 10
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Capurnicus
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Do we call dub corks "tornado spins" or whatever the fuck Jon said we should be referring to them as?
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