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Im catching hard on rails….HELP!

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.Gladiator.
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So i shredded my new skis today and hit a handrail resulting in me eating it hard. Its like every time I hit a rail, my edges catch and i can't slide at all. My skis are Amrada AR7's…any tips? bring them to a proshop to get sanded down or something? HELP!
Nov 16 2013 10:38PM
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kingkarl4
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Don't sand them...they will dull naturally...just keep them waxed
Nov 16 2013 10:41PM
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CalebT
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dont listen to that guy. get a file and grind them down underfoot hard until they are more rounded.
Nov 16 2013 10:43PM
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.Gladiator.
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Like a metal file??

Nov 16 2013 10:47PM
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.Gladiator.
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file**
Nov 16 2013 10:48PM
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M.M
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dont listen to that guy, get a gummy stone and use that to dull your edges, it will just dull them not completely fuck up your edges
Nov 16 2013 10:50PM
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TRASHTALK
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it's totally your edges. so listen to this guy. he knows what he's talking about.
Nov 16 2013 10:51PM
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.Gladiator.
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What us a "Gummy stone?"

Nov 16 2013 10:51PM
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.Gladiator.
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Oh nevermind i know what that is…So thats the way to go? gummy stone?

Nov 16 2013 10:54PM
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TRASHTALK
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yes.
Nov 16 2013 10:58PM
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Mr.Huck
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Use a file only if you want to ruin your skis.

{img]http://handymanjoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sanding_sponge.jpg[/img]

If you want to learn how to detune your edges, check this out.

https://www.newschoolers.com/membervideo/309302.0/How-to-dull-your-edges-vid-for-Gear-Talk-thread?s=119784
Nov 16 2013 10:59PM
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Mr.Huck
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OOPS:
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Nov 16 2013 11:19PM
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Willard
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Fuck off troll go back to your bridge
Nov 16 2013 11:39PM
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Anathema
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you get better skis.

i remember when i first rode public enemies back in like 04 and i couldnt slide for shit. a year later or whatever i got salomon foils and they're like BUTTER. had nothing to do with how they were filed or anything. the sidewall of the pe's was garbage and they'd catch and started chipping like crazy.
Nov 17 2013 12:45AM
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cyberginger
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Just do more than 5 rails and you will be fine.
I had the same problem. picked up some new planks, caught hard. 5 hits later- no problem.
Nov 17 2013 1:00AM
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404404
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Get a file and go down the edge at a 45 degree angle. You know if it works when you see the metal filing coming off the edge. If its easy and you dont feel any resistance then your doing it wrong, and you need to adjust your angle. It will take a good 45 min with a file to do it right.

Nov 17 2013 1:21AM
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Paul.
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/r5mn5XO9anw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

hey look its you saying things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5mn5XO9anw - in case embed doesnt work
Nov 17 2013 4:42AM
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PKNeison
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Get onto the embed thread on site discussion forum
Nov 17 2013 6:44AM
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theabortionator
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I would never wait for them to dull naturally. That's crazy talk. Invest in a file and go nuts.
Nov 17 2013 9:03AM
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CalebT
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i feel like you haven't done either of these methods, because if you had you would realize gummy stones are not meant for detuning, rather for getting rid of burs created from hitting rails without a detuned ski. use a file, like i and a few others have said and then after you're done use a gummy stone and scrape off the burs that were created.
Nov 17 2013 12:14PM
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GeorgiaJibber
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YES! A gummy stone is pretty fuckng soft if you ask me, you won't be able to detune at all(or it will take you 12 hours). I think that what these guys think a gummy stone is, is actually a HARD/POCKET stone. It is like a smooth rock essentially. It is harder than a gummy stone but not as harsh as a file, so the best of both worlds!!!
Nov 17 2013 1:15PM
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CalebT
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yeah, i'm saying this as i have had experience with it. i tried hitting my new pvc rail with brand new skis and it caught everytime i hit the rail, so i took a gummy stone to it for 10 minutes each ski and it barely did a thing. after i used the file it worked fantastic and i have had no problems at all with catching this season. the rock would be a good idea as you mentioned, but i just had a file in my garage so i just used it.
Nov 17 2013 2:20PM
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willice_l
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take a rock...as hard as u can, run it up and own on your edges til they are almost gone, that will do the tirck
Nov 17 2013 4:44PM
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Paul.
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Yeah i saw it after I commented but the "add video" button wasnt working for me.

Heres the video


Nov 17 2013 4:46PM
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Mama.
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I have a better idea, start skiing on real snow on real mountains.
Nov 17 2013 5:37PM
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WU-sconsin
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Its a good idea to use a file like Andy Parry said if you are loaded and have multiple skis or are a pro that gets free skis. If you are like most who cannot afford to destroy their skis, then you should just ride them until they dull a little. I really have no prob with new skis after a couple rails, it smooths them out a little bit without totally fucking your skis
Nov 17 2013 5:47PM
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first_rodeo
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Learn edge awareness.......
and eventually aerial awareness............
Nov 17 2013 9:00PM
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gotti
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what? how about you dont ride pvc rails all the time. if you are sliding well made rails/tubes they should never catch even with a racers edge
Nov 17 2013 9:09PM
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SunburntSquad
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file them down.

or slide enough rails to that it does it itself. make sure you swap what ski goes on what foot once in a while though.
Nov 17 2013 9:12PM
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joshua
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People always say to use a gummy stone, but that doesn't really work unless you want to work at it for 37 hours or so.
Nov 17 2013 9:15PM
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404404
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I have been told to use a gummy stone but its a bunch of BS. You might as well use a rock. File or angle grinder is the way to go.
Nov 17 2013 9:19PM
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Lemuel
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I just do rainmakers the first day on new skis. Detune's naturally and quickly.
Nov 17 2013 9:22PM
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CalebT
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it was in the summer that's why i was using a pvc rail. plus you can't always control whether the rails you are hitting are perfect. also aside from the rail itself, think about skiing ability. if you are learning a new trick on rail, there is more chance of catching an edge. stop being so narrow minded.
Nov 17 2013 9:33PM
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joshua
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Question Andy, what do most pro/good skiers/whatever you want to call them do with a pair of brand new skis? Do most go to town with a grinder like we see in the movies/edits? File? Nothing?
Nov 17 2013 11:14PM
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M.M
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i actually have and it works good for me but i guess there are other ways
Nov 17 2013 11:41PM
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CJ_S
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You know those big metal knife sharpeners, the ones that look like a wand sort of. Those work great, harder than a gummy stone and gets the job done.
Nov 18 2013 8:14AM
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joshua
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Elan skis (as far as I know) come stock with beveled edges underfoot now. That actually makes a lot of sense to me if you are hitting a lot of rails, b/c if you look at the edges on a pair of park skis you've had for awhile, the edges are dull, but more so, they seem to have been beveled to the point where most of the edge is no longer flush with the base, which is why they don't catch anymore. At least that's what I've noticed. I wish there was a standard way (short of taking a grinder to your edge) to avoid having to catch on rails with new skis for the first bit.

Hate new skis.
Nov 18 2013 8:45AM
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tomPietrowski
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Most slope riders will go for a full base grind and tune tip to tail. Then we will detune the tip and tail and usually around 2 foot of edge underfoot. A file is the best way to go as its effective and controllable. Different riders like different levels of roundness for the edge so what you do tuning wise is very rider dependent.

And yeah to all those saying gummy stone, its not the right tool. Start with a file and then use a gummy if you want to clean it up after to remove any accidental burrs.
Nov 18 2013 9:02AM
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tomPietrowski
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Also just to add, its usually a good idea to detune before hitting any rails. You are far more likely to get an edge pull out on a brand new sharp edge. The amount of skis i have seen destroyed on the first day because  people did not prep the skis and just went and hit rails is crazy. And this is skis from all the big brands too, not just price point skis.

So do some prep and you can help maintain your investment.
Nov 18 2013 9:05AM
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joshua
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Sharper edges will (in theory) also crack easier, b/c the impact of hitting a rail is concentrated on a smaller area, making the it harder for the edge to withstand. With a rounder edge, the impact is more distributed rather than concentrated on a fine, sharp point.
Nov 18 2013 9:47AM
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jibberty
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I have used a sanding stone like the man in the video said for about 5 minutes on my brand new skis, is it all right or i should use a file?
Nov 18 2013 9:42PM
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jibberty
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I've look many videos about detuning and they all says to take a file to really detune your edges and after you need to use a diamond stone and a gummy stone to make the edge smooth
Nov 18 2013 9:57PM
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CalebT
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you're fine as long as you notice the edge is dull-ish. what i like to do is go to the sharp part of the edge and run my finger along it as if i was cutting my finger open and then slide it over to where i dulled it and if it is dull underfoot you're good to go.
Nov 20 2013 7:59PM
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