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FT vs. Dalbello?

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XtRemE11
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I'm looking for new boots, tried on a couple different ones, salomon, FT, Dalbello. and all three fit my foot very well, with FT and Dalbello being a little better than the salomons.

it was hard to get a good idea from just standing around in the shop with them. so i want some input. my one complaint with the dalbello was that there was a little too much open space around the ankle, so my foot would lift up and kinda move around. (this was a 4 buckle dalbello, not the 3 buckle with the buckle right at the ankle, which the bootfitter said would fix this issue) and my one problem with the full tilts is i couldnt find a boot with quite the right flex. the dropkick and TW pro both felt a little too soft, like theres a lot of initial movement that goes directly into flexing the boot, not into the ski. and the seth's i tried on were a little too stiff, like rather than the tounge moving with my leg as i leaned forward, it quickly became just my shins pushing against the tounge and the tounge not moving much more. that and i always felt like the FT's had more forward lean, which i dont like, i definitely prefer a more upright stance.

i think its between the il-moro t id and the FT seth's or krypton. i know both shells fit me well, im just looking for input from anyone with experience with these. im 5'10 155lbs, ski mostly park, but plenty of resort powder and occasional backcountry stuff.
Nov 6 2013 3:24PM
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BirtDike
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its up to you dude. you have 5000 posts but are asking a "which boot" question?

Salomon, Dalbello, and FT also fit my foot well, and i have both a Salomon Ghost and a FT First Chair. I just dont like dalbello, i guess because the heel fit isnt precise enough, even though its not uncomfortable whatsoever.

There are hundreds of people in this situation, and they'll all give you different answers. Go try them on again, walk around in them, and see which fits your foot most precisely and which feels better flexing. noone can make your mind up for you.
Nov 6 2013 3:33PM
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Pipe_Munky
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Salomons don't fit as well - no deal
Dalbello doesn't hold your ankle - no deal
Full Tilt has flex issue but works - get a stiffer tongue!


buy the Full Tilt if it fits! you can always order a flex 8 tongue
Nov 6 2013 3:38PM
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XtRemE11
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im asking because there's more to getting the right boot than just seeing a bootfitter, there's a lot more to a boot when you actually ski it as opposed to just walking around a ski shop. both shell's fit, both i will get fit to me by the boot fitter as well as i can, maybe a custom footbed. im looking for input from people who have had one or both and know of any little quirks or things to watch out for that dont come out in a boot shop.

actually your comment about the heel coming up in dalbello's helped quite a bit, was that a 4 buckle or 3 buckle with the buckle right on the ankle?
Nov 6 2013 3:51PM
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shreditor
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Dalbello fit is dope! but 2 of my friends returns in warranty them a couple times (plastic at the back break)
I think they where just unlucky...

Personnaly, I ride a full tilt first chair and I really like it!

This year, I'm waiting for my K2 pinacle 130 I'm pretty stoked on them! (I'm 195 lbs so a 130 flex is not so bad)
Nov 6 2013 3:54PM
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BirtDike
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get the bright colored full tilts then. youll look cool.
Nov 6 2013 3:55PM
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TimRiley
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I switched from the Dalbello Krypton to the FT Seth this year. On the Dalbello's I had minor problems with hot spots through out the season and some discomfort in the ankle even after I had some work done by the fitter, punching out the shell and what not. I love the Seth's so far, the wider toe box is great, no pressure points. I picked up a 6 flex tongue for park and spring skiing, and will use the 8 for pow. ^Agree, go FT and get some 6 tongues for the extra $60.
Nov 6 2013 3:57PM
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XtRemE11
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can you compare the forward lean on both? i cant find numbers for either to compare. from trying both the dalbellos just felt more upright.
Nov 6 2013 4:53PM
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nick.maitland.96
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Full tilts are more expensive but it's worth
Nov 6 2013 5:28PM
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Erikgorn
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Dalbello Kryptons with Intuition liner hold my ankle super secure. Without the intuition liner they are pretty loose in my opinion.
Nov 6 2013 6:09PM
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TimRiley
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I'll have both pairs with me tomorrow night. I can throw one on each foot and give you a better comparison then.
Nov 6 2013 6:18PM
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cwillygood
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i believe in the back of the full filts there is a plastic piece that you can take out to make the boot more upright. I am almost positive on this, or at least in my 2010 Twall boots there were, i just got the seths i havnt looked to see if they have it
Nov 6 2013 7:22PM
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Bertrand
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What type of shell fit are you going for? 1 finger or two finger?

I just got fitted for some Dalbello Lupos (Krypton 2 with a walk mode), in a 1 finger shell fit.

I tried on FT's as well. For me, the Dalbello has a shape that actually follows your foot. The FT is kind of just a straight tube with taper at the end. My heel was held down better in the Dalbello's as well.

Not dumping on FT, just sharing my experience with both so far. I would recommend the Krypton, if it fits your foot shape. You can change flex, bootboards, and forward lean all really easily.
Nov 6 2013 9:54PM
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NinetyFour
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Yep, it's the little black piece between the lower shell and the rear cuff.

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Can be removed for a more upright stance, or popped in for more forward lean.
Nov 6 2013 9:58PM
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Elg
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Don't they come With another plastic piece also? So it gives you 3 different angles of forward lean? I think my pair did, but that was 4 years ago.
Nov 7 2013 6:25AM
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*YungBuckwheat*
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My Dabellos were great, Idk what people are talking about with the plastic breaking, but full tilts are only the best for park. If you want all mountain, I'd go with Dabello (which are great in park too, along with Solomon and lange) but if you are going to be in the park most I would go with the tilts.
Nov 7 2013 8:45AM
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*YungBuckwheat*
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My Dabellos were great, Idk what people are talking about with the plastic breaking, but full tilts are only the best for park. If you want all mountain, I'd go with Dabello (which are great in park too, along with Solomon and lange) but if you are going to be in the park most I would go with the tilts.
Nov 7 2013 8:46AM
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Huck_Norris
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Alwaysalwaysalwaysalwaysalwaysalways the boot that fits.




Nov 7 2013 9:25AM
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Shreenan
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i have a 3 buckle dalbello voodoo. They are excellent boots they are flexy, have shock absorbers and are very warm. They area also cheaper
Nov 7 2013 10:20AM
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tomPietrowski
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Honestly if the boot fitter is not telling you which to go for he is not fully doing his job. Really a good fitter does not even need to put the boot on you  to know what will work best. Maybe see if you can chat to  a few other fitters and get there opinion. Remember footbeds drastically change the fit so make sure that is being taken into consideration.
Nov 7 2013 11:28AM
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XtRemE11
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I told this guy I fit well in my last full tilts, they're the best fitting boots I've had despite my wide foot. I told him I'm looking for the FT like tounge flex, which narrowed it down to FTs and dalbellos. Both of which fit very well. I think I could get either one to fit perfect with some work. Maybe I narrowed down my options too much, but it would be hard to convince me to go away from a 3piece design.
Nov 7 2013 11:56AM
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tomPietrowski
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^what did the fitter think of your foot in the shells? that is very inportant. Also did you try them with footbeds? full tilts dont come with stock insoles so will get tighter once fitted.
3 piece can be good but dont limit yourself, the best boots generally are still overlaps, did you say to the fitter you wanted 3 piece or did he recommend them because of the fit?
Nov 7 2013 12:26PM
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seanzy96
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the dalbello stands a bit more upright but the seth. all ft's have a little plastic wedge between the lower and upper part of boot that you can take right out. the boots then stand a few degrees more upright. If it matters at all dudes, the seth is on the best boots i have ever had....as well as the ace of spades....both have approx 100 last and it fixed all my narrow ass boot issues. in the end...bootfit that shit up at your local shop
Nov 7 2013 4:49PM
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p-fo
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This is probably the best advice in here. See if your shop has a stiffer tongue laying around that they can swap out so you can try it.
Also, I want to add that your description of desired flex is almost exactly how my Dalbello Voodoos felt, and how I expect the new Bosses to feel (they're equivalent to the Voodoos). The Voodoos had worn down pads and a busted snow cuff thingy, and were kinda out of warranty, but Dalbello sent out some Bosses in the same size for free. Oh and I had no ankle movement issues with the Voodoos over two seasons. Hope that helps, but bottomline: it's gotta fit and feel good to you.
Nov 7 2013 4:57PM
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NinetyFour
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the boot that fits...





...Tom Wallisch.
Nov 7 2013 5:05PM
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Park.
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well what are you looking for? a boot that gives great power transmission and edge hold or a boot that is smoother flexing? Honestly with experiences with both brands, you should toss Full tilt if you are going to be doing some serious pow or backcountry. The boots are light, look sick, and flex very nicely, but other than that htey are BAD boots. Im not trying to spread my opinion to others, just trying to help you out. Full tilt toungues are made of a polyurethane that does not have a spring-like charactistic. This means that if you flex hard,land switch, etc, you will not be brought back to the correct stance without needing a stiffer toungue (which can cause shinbang from unnecessarily stiff toungues).The shells are nothing special,and give no power transmission at all (I could feel the boot warping in the moguls)and people only like Full Tilts for the lightweight, flex, and liner (which it sounds like the dalbello models you are looking at, have, but are better, custom liners). Dalbello's on the other hand, are some of the best boots out there. I can tell right away that the edge control and power transmission is amazing. The toungue is made of a nylon which DOES spring back, the shell is very unique with the best features out of all three-piece boots that I have found. The only bad thing about Dalbello's that might not affect you, is that the navicular bone might get pressure from the bottom buckle if it is pronounced. and I swear (told by a rep) that Dalbello's are an upgraded Fulltilt. Dalbello bought the fulltilt molds a while back, uprgraded and refined them, then sold them to K2(?) anything else you want to know?
Nov 7 2013 5:07PM
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elcornholio
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full tilts after a year get punched out and have the control of a sneaker. Dalbello's have vetter plastic that can be molded more easily and have buckles that don't have to be replaced weekly.
Nov 7 2013 6:20PM
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XtRemE11
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thanks that helps my decision a ton! that lack of edge control, warping, feeling is exactly what i didnt like about my last FT's even when they were brand new and fit super tight it wasnt great, like there's a lot of movement within the boot happening before it goes to the ski.
I think i'll try and go the dalbello route, going to see a different boot fitter this weekend so ill see what he says. im thinking the il-moro looks like the way to go unless anyone has anything against it?

Nov 7 2013 8:01PM
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Park.
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il moro's are sick boots, but when they say its 120 flex, its 120. so you may not like how stiff they are initially in the shop, but always remember that you have much more leverage in skis so consider that when making a purchase.
Nov 7 2013 8:40PM
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sivercartel4ever
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The one that fits the best. I have the ft classic and can say the velcro strap on the calve is trash. Whatever boot you get a booster strap will make it a ton better.
Nov 9 2013 9:55PM
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CTD
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The krypton boots fit very similar to the full tilts. the dalbello is a MUCH higher quality boot on all fronts. Full tilts are lighter. If you get a Krypton, Get the ilmoro style top strap and the ID liner. Get footbeds and get them as small as freakin possible. Buy them from the shop that fitted you and if you need them stretched or ground they will likely do it free and you will be very happy in the long run.
Nov 9 2013 10:39PM
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MontanaMuggin
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Il Moro is sooooo sick looking.
Nov 10 2013 11:05AM
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Evangelista
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Dalbello
Nov 10 2013 4:12PM
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