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Matt Margetts Donation Discussion

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will_powder
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It's annoying as hell to debate in the comments section. Move here.

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Oct 2 2013 2:06PM
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corona
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To respond to Triple_Strum saying:

"Poor guy, needs money to go skiing :) I kind of laughed and was disgusted at the same time."


Aren't you the 'charity' NS donated money to so you could buy yourself a new pair of skis??
Oct 2 2013 2:10PM
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liftedresearcher
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who cares. if you don't think its a worthy cause, don't donate money to the guy. it's that simple. not worth it to get all fired up about it lol.
Oct 2 2013 2:14PM
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ABalls
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I don't know about the legitimacy of this. It doesn't seem right to me that a popular Olympic hopeful wouldn't get his way payed by his sponsors.
Oct 2 2013 2:23PM
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c_roll
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AW MAN, IM SO PISSED THAT THIS "PRO" SKIER GUY IS POLIETLY ASKING ME FOR MONEY TO ACHIEVE HIS DREAMS AND EXPLAINING IN A THOUGHTFUL MANNER WHY HE NEEDS THE MONEY.
Oct 2 2013 2:24PM
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SFB
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i thought it was a joke.....
Oct 2 2013 2:30PM
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RubberSoul
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threads
Oct 2 2013 2:34PM
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7-3instacall
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I thought it was a joke too
then thinking about it it started making sense
Matt is on the B team for Team canada.
B team is basically just allowing you to be in their mjestic presence and camps.
meaning he is allowed to go lets say, to New Zealand with them, but he has to pay EVERY single fee that comes with it.
lets add it up, remember these are all estimates
-plane tickets- 2000
-lodging-750
-ski tickets-250
-coaching fee-700
-food-500
thats pretty much all i can think of right now
anyway, it adds up to 4200.
Now team Canada went twice over there this summer.
so 4200x2 =8400
now add a few other camps and some other unknown expenses and pretty much ill add up to something close to 20000.

now, I still think its funny, but hey, maybe matts really broke, i dont know.
ps: i dont know why i wrote all this, spare time
Oct 2 2013 2:36PM
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RubberSoul
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yeah, well, ski sponsors are a joke in 9 cases out of 10. not saying that makes it okay, but it's an unfortunate truth
Oct 2 2013 2:45PM
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itod910
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Do you guys think Torin and all the other guys at the top of the sport have to get a job instead of training 24/7? Having to take a summer off might be too much of a disadvantage for somebody trying to compete at the highest level of the sport
Oct 2 2013 2:52PM
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corona
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pretty much this actually. there's no way you're going to be a medal contender if you have to take half the year off right before the Olympics to work.
Oct 2 2013 3:08PM
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7-3instacall
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oh really
go tell that to Devin Logan, see what she thinks...

Oct 2 2013 3:08PM
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africans_eatants
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probably would have had much better luck doing this before the jiberish drop
Oct 2 2013 3:09PM
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Blurst
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dont be stupid.
Oct 2 2013 3:10PM
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Jibberino
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The problem is that why should he get our hard earned money? Where is the line, I mean I like to fucking ski, and I'm trying to make a career of it indirectly through snowpark construction. It's my dream, and I've worked really hard at it ever since i discovered skiing at 22. And at entry level jobs in snowpark construction, you make fuck all, which means that I also bust my ass all summer so that I can pay my bills and then hopefully down the road I can make a full time living of it. Can I get some money?

The thing is, everyone's in the same boat, unfortunately for Matt he is apparently not able to convince his otherwise affluent sponsors to fucking send him to the Olympics! He must either be really fucking bad at selling himself, or his sponsors are thick as fuck to miss out on the opportunity to have their rider in the motherfuckin Olympics! It is mind boggling to me how a professional skier has come to this point. Either way, I do not find him a worthy charity. As someone said, this is also just a simple matter of choosing to either donate or not, but when you go public with stuff like this, and in this way, there's going to be a reaction. I personally find it tasteless, and it shows an odd disconnect from the Freeskiing community if he had not expected this reaction.

But as I also said in the comments, he will most likely raise his money from the gullable general public.

In conclusion, there are so many things wrong with this, on so many levels that I can't be arsed to cover them all. However Iberg's comment was also spot on adressing the issue of the relationship between the Olympics and Freeskiing in general.
Oct 2 2013 3:11PM
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GayWolf420
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I love everyone hating regardless if you're into the olympics or not. I'm not really a fan of them, but at least this dudes doing something with his life and trying to achieve his goals. The fuck is wrong with that? And what are you doing? Hating on people on ski forum.
Oct 2 2013 3:13PM
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Jibberino
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Oh the irony.
Oct 2 2013 3:15PM
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GayWolf420
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All the hate is warranted. You're all retards.
Oct 2 2013 3:18PM
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t_rob
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I think this says a lot about sponsor treatment/support for 2nd tier athletes in skiing.

I say 2nd tier in no disrespect, that has nothing to do with his ability but his sponsor support. Marg isn't the 11th ranked pipe skier in the world because he's bad at skiing. Could marg do things to get more money out of his sponsors? I don't know.

There are going to be 30 guys in the pipe competition in Sochi. To say the 11th ranked guy in the world shouldn't be there because he can't afford it is bullshit.




And I'm just going to leave this here...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2013/06/olympian-lolo-jones-bobsled-federation-respond-to-paycheck-backlash/




Oct 2 2013 3:25PM
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Jibberino
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"I'm right, you're wrong, wahhhhhh".

Great arguments.
Oct 2 2013 3:27PM
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Jaggy_Snake
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I don't think the money is going to go anywhere.

Back into skiing? Into Matt's wallet? No.

It'll go into the greedy pockets of the FIS, IOC and the respective Olympic committees of their countries.
Oct 2 2013 3:34PM
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Blurst
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Whatever criticisms that people have of this campaign, it certainly is working. More than a quarter of his goal in only 2 days.
Oct 2 2013 3:37PM
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ChiefSkief
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He doesnt get "your" hard earned money your making it sound like he is forcing people to donate.
Oct 2 2013 3:49PM
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blazeonyia
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Torin is from Aspen and well, if you grew up in Aspen you are probably well off.  Not to dis.  The point I want to make that has been absent thus far:

There seems to be three different levels of skiers committed to the sport; those from well-off families, those who bust ass all off season to ski all winter, and your everyday ski bum. 

I think all deserve respect for their dedication.
Oct 2 2013 3:50PM
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CKpolicy
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Look at the rewards you get for donating. He did a fucking awesome job with the rewards system, you are basically buying something for a marked up price to help a homie out.
Oct 2 2013 3:55PM
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John18_6
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Step 1- make an amazing edit with ZMox Step 2- sponsors throw money at him to put thier logos in Step 3- go to Olympics
Oct 2 2013 3:57PM
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ABalls
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That sucks dude
Oct 2 2013 3:58PM
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ndye
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im in that bust my ass all summer to ski as much during the winter group.

If I had a large amount of cash flow and had a lot of discretionary income, I am sure i would give (not donate, donation to me is for a charity) him a bit of cash. But thats not me. Ill be lucky if I have a few hundred bucks at the end of winter honestly. I would rather be able to buy an extra lift ticket somewhere, not throw 100 bucks so a really good skier already can hopefully go to Russia.
Oct 2 2013 4:01PM
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pastysmasher
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When I first saw it earlier, It pissed me off and I commented saying that it was basically bullshit. On reflection however, I can understand why Matt's resorted to this.

His funding was cut in June so even if he got a job then, there's no way he could work enough to save 20 grand whilst doing the amount of training necessary to stand a chance at being successful in the Olympics. His sponsors aren't giving him enough money, so now he's stuck.

I know what it's like for something totally unforeseen to get in the way of your dream and you'll resort to anything to try and get it back on track. Why wouldn't you? Would I do the same in his position? Probably.

What I do think was a dumb idea though, was posting it on NS, a place full of broke ski bums who would give their left nut to be funded to ski all year. There's no chance i'm gonna donate because I need to fill my own pockets for Winter. If i was an owner of a successful business, with an Interest in Skiing then, yeh, i'd probably be quite tempted.
Oct 2 2013 4:04PM
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mikemurda
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Fuck CFSA

they only care about Moguls and Aerials

I can't wait for those 2 sports to die!
Oct 2 2013 4:06PM
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theabortionator
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I have no idea what the hell is going on here
Oct 2 2013 4:07PM
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itod910
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I think the more relevant point is that Torin is sponsored by Target. And I haven't heard anything to support this, but I'd be very surprised if anybody going for team US is paying for their own training
Oct 2 2013 4:12PM
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Jibberino
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What? He is indeed asking for my hard earned money. Do you not comprehend the concept of fundraising?
Oct 2 2013 4:35PM
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eheath
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A-list USA aerial skiers still have to raise money for their olympic training/trips etc too.

You guys are taking this so fucking far, what's the point? You can't "work your ass off" and train for the olympics.
Oct 2 2013 4:38PM
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Pipe_Munky
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actually no. this hate is not warranted at all. guys like Matt are not on the same sponsorship program as say, Russ Henshaw or Nick Goepper. Matt's sponsorship is on a national level with Volkl Canada and not the international level.

the olympics are going to be expensive as hell for all athletes not just those not on the RedBull or (insert massive company here) programs. in Canada a stupid amount of government money goes to support hockey programs. if there's anything left over it will go to fund other sports like freestyle skiing, bobsled, etc... for the most part, these athletes have to pay for this by themselves. Canadian Freestyle Skiing cut funding for athletes and programs in the past couple of years so there really is no money. the "A-Team" members are doing similar things to raise money. even the RedBull athletes are doing some sort of fundraising. racing does alright because participation in organized programs is massive so more companies support it.

one athlete i personally know, his family is holding fundraisers just so they can see their son compete. the gouging of ticket prices for Sochi is ridiculous. $1950ea for tickets to the opening ceremonies, $300+ea for mogul and arial event tickets, hotels are almost impossible to find and what is available is insanely overpriced for basically a hole in the wall.

at least his sponsors are stepping up and donating product to raffle off for him. being a "pro" skier doesn't mean that you're making a living doing it. let's make that perfectly clear.
Oct 2 2013 4:38PM
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fillup
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I think people are salty that someone who gets to ski all year and do what we all love for a (possible) living is asking for money. Myself included.

That being said it is his dream and therefore he is doing all he can to achieve it which is admirable. Asking NS might not have been the best seeing as we are a bunch of cheap young kids.
Oct 2 2013 4:55PM
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AwR
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If he really wants to make it there he will find a way. From the looks of it, asking ns for "help" is not part of the way. I would rather give my money to someone who is going for a different dream other than being an olympic park skier. Like say if somebody wanted to go to the moon...


Oct 2 2013 5:05PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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haha yea so lame
Oct 2 2013 5:17PM
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Pipe_Munky
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Matt's not the only skier doing these kind of fundraising drives:

Dylan Ferguson (for the 4bi9 fanboys) - arials: https://www.rallyme.com/rallies/195

Dustin Cook - alpine racer: http://www.makeachamp.com/dustincook

McRae Williams - slopestyle : https://www.ralleyme.com/rallies/230

Jamie Crane-Mauzy - for the AFP season: https://www.ralleyme.com/rallies/33

These were super easy to find in 5 minutes. I posted these to prove that Matt isn't the only athlete looking for support to be able to compete at the level he does.
Oct 2 2013 5:51PM
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eheath
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Yeah I was talking about dylan in my post, he gets support from the team but even tho hes A-team he still needs funding. Haters are ignorant as fuck.
Oct 2 2013 5:57PM
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GayWolf420
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Not to mention his style is sick. I'd love to see him in Sochi putting down clean-ass runs.
Oct 2 2013 6:00PM
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ndye
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just searched through that thing, lots and lots of people looking for handouts
Oct 2 2013 6:21PM
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seanahue.
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With respect to your last sentence, I beg to differ.

Case in point: Patrick Meek

Who the fuck is Patrick Meek you ask...? A 2nd/3rd tier long-distance Olympian speed skater, who also works with me in bell/valet at Waldorf Astoria Park City. As far as I know, speed skating has even less money in it than skiing (with Apollo Ono being the exception). Other than the USOC, Patrick's 'sponsor' money is non-existant. However, in order to meet the rigorous demands of his team's training schedule while still being able to afford food/transportation/housing, he enrolled in the USOC work-partnership program. The USOC set Pat up with both a job and a place to live at our hotel, with the only incentive on Waldorf's end being good PR, and maybe a small logo on his speed-suit if he makes it.

I would be very surprised if Team Canada doesn't offer a similar program to athletes who may not get the monetary support their training requires. I understand Margett's situation is probably different from a travel/logistical standpoint, but I think most of his current money problems stem from a lack of foresight (no disrespect intended) on both his and Team Canada's part. Regardless, the time has passed for him to be able to raise enough cashflow via work-partnership, so I do get that this is in fact his only viable option. Though I personally will not be donating I wish him the best of luck in making it to Sochi; he deserves to be there, no matter where the money comes from.
Oct 2 2013 6:23PM
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DeRizzo
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Truth
Oct 2 2013 6:57PM
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thedawg
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have chug fly him there...itll cut down on the transportation fees
Oct 2 2013 7:32PM
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Shredsterr
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Ya she must spend a lot of time practicing those 3s and 5s for the small jumps at X games...
Oct 2 2013 7:41PM
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1337
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Awesome to hear the USOC is helping your Coworker out with that situation. But, like you pointed out in this case 1) the time has come and gone for such a program, and 2) such a program doesn't exist for that situation (yet...). I think if we knew there was such an opportunity and we still saw an athlete crying for money while sitting on their ass, then we'd be free to ridicule them and tell them they shouldn't get shit. However, I don't think Matt or any other athlete had access to such a program, and like pointed out in a few other posts, are simply doing what they can with this little time left to get the money.
Oct 2 2013 7:43PM
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Derelicte
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The hate for this fundraiser in completely unwarranted. If you don't want to donate, politely say no and move the fuck on with your lives
Oct 2 2013 8:18PM
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youRsmellA
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its definitely bullshit, someone will be making a ton of money off of all these guys who need to fund raise. But these guys get most of their funding from a few very rich older people, they are not begging you fellow poor skiers for your money.
Oct 2 2013 9:23PM
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mTRUTH
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What is there to discuss? His sponsors treat him shitty, he needs money to go to the Olympics. If you want to help him out, toss the man some change. If not, don't give us your sob story of how hard you work and how he doesn't deserve your money, just move on with your life.
Oct 2 2013 9:42PM
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ChargeTheTrees
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Anyone wanna talk about breaking bad?
Oct 2 2013 10:50PM
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