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Government control on scientific research.

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SenorVaca
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The government should control the type and extent of new research and how it is used by the public. Agree or Disagree?

Sep 29 2013 11:22PM
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funk~
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are we typing your paper for you
Sep 29 2013 11:26PM
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JAHpow
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No, we have too much government already.
Sep 29 2013 11:27PM
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Half-Blood
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Sep 29 2013 11:27PM
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SFB
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Sep 29 2013 11:27PM
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Jeebus.
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Sep 29 2013 11:28PM
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PsychedelicMoose
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lol, its like op doesn't like his rights as a citizen. And which government are you objecting to?
Sep 29 2013 11:29PM
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chicken
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fuck no. those people have no idea what they are talking about. However they pretty much do considering most of the money comes from taxpayer dollars. But canada is a point and case example of why the government shouldn't fuck with scientific research. The changes to the NRC are FUCKED UP. cutting funding to pure scientific research in order to fund research with direct industrial applications is stupid as hell. First of all, the fucking oil companies have enough energy to fund their own fucking research. Second it is going to seriously affect canada's position in the global scientific community. We are making a serious mistake for some (possible) short term economical gains. Scientists are going to leave canada to find work and grant money. Seriously. Fuck Harper. /rant
Sep 29 2013 11:30PM
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SenorVaca
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I'm not asking for a paper, just opinions. It's an interesting topic we are covering in Biology in regards to stem cell research. My personal opinion is that the government should not be in control; however, certain rules and guidelines need to be in place to prevent unethical research.
Sep 29 2013 11:30PM
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Laurent.
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No it would undermine scientific freedom.
Sep 29 2013 11:32PM
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Jeebus.
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It already does.
Sep 29 2013 11:34PM
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DrZoidberg
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The government should tread lightly whenever "ethical" comes up, considering what some people do or don't consider ethical.

I, of course, would rather scientists to regulate science, not politicians and finance guys. It makes you wonder if a government full of scientists would get something done when one full of politicians can't.
Sep 29 2013 11:52PM
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Skibumsmith
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i think we need to be doing more unethical research
Sep 29 2013 11:53PM
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SenorVaca
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I absolutely agree, ethics are all relative. However, a problem arises with no restrictions. Research would be left to each individual, leaving the opportunity for those individuals to conduct research to their heart's content in whatever manner, which prompts me to believe that certain guidelines should be set in place.
Sep 29 2013 11:59PM
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SenorVaca
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Fantastic, let's start with human/whale chimeras.
Sep 30 2013 12:04AM
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Rusticles
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These are actually fantastic around the house
Sep 30 2013 12:05AM
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DrZoidberg
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This guy believed otherwise. If you've never seen the blog richard's reactor, and you enjoy stove top nuclear chemistry, you're missing out.

I'd agree on some limits, I don't want my neighbor trying to make a nuclear power plant in his kitchen. I'd prefer for him to get hired and make a real one, then give me tons of electricity at a good rate.
Sep 30 2013 12:15AM
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chicken
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*enough money
Sep 30 2013 12:27AM
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Sno.
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Laws exist for a reason, right? To keep order and avoid chaos.  When scientific research evolves, we find ourselves in uncharted territory, and it doesn't/wouldn't surprise me when new laws are made as science progresses. However, I agree with regulation, not restriction.  My opinion varies based on the specifics. So what, specifically are we talking about, OP? Stem cell research?
Sep 30 2013 12:27AM
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theabortionator
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This. Do your own homework kids
Sep 30 2013 12:31AM
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SenorVaca
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Yes, regulation, not restriction. I apologize for my terminology. My question stands for scientific research in general, although stem cell research is among the most highly debated topicsand falls under the "research" to which I am referring.
Sep 30 2013 12:41AM
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LoathesRaisins
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So what do you cite as your source for a 14 year old opinion?
Sep 30 2013 12:44AM
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shocker611
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They already do control scientific research 100%. They decide what to fund, and generally that is all that really gets done. Every lab in America (besides MAYBE a few for major companies) tailor their research in order to place themselves in a position to get federal grants. Labs don't pick research that they think will do the greatest good, but instead simply look for where they can get the money. This can be seen in a lot of the new nanomedicine research that is being done. Labs are researching nano drug delivery mechanisms that they know for a fact will never work simply because the government hasn't realized it yet and are still paying a shit ton of money for it.
Sep 30 2013 12:55AM
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whoa-dere
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if you were researching would you want the government to control you? dumb question
Sep 30 2013 1:34AM
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Wallisch_pl
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stop posting for a bit
Sep 30 2013 8:41AM
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chicken
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if you look at the states it's just as bad too. Every time you change up your government something big in science gets shut down. Nasa projects get axed all the time. Sometimes it's even bigger. A perfect example of this is when you guys killed the superconducting supercollider after a decade of planning. That thing would have been so fucking cool. As soon as the cold war was over, America stopped giving a shit about being a leader in anything and you guys fucking killed it.

Thank goodness we have europe.
Sep 30 2013 12:09PM
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Calb3rt
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nasa budget cuts anyone? there is more money in wars than there is in science.
Sep 30 2013 1:08PM
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DrZoidberg
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This is my feeling. That's why it would be cool to have been alive during the space race era. So much science.
Sep 30 2013 1:42PM
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howlongcanausern
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thanks obama
Sep 30 2013 1:55PM
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Laurent.
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Welll...

Too bad there are some idiots in the dutch government:


The researcher who created mammalian-transmissible strains of the H5N1 avian flu virus, raising fears they could cause a pandemic, has failed in an attempt to overcome government restrictions on the publication of his papers. See Nature News Mutant Flu special


The irony is is that Dutch Universities are very open and anyone willing can already look at the paper online. But he can't get it published, that would be bad.
Sep 30 2013 2:00PM
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whoa-dere
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why? science is all about crossing boundries, discovering and exploring the unknown
Sep 30 2013 2:52PM
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chicken
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I guess italy as well with the whole seismologist thing. but europe as a whole is doing pretty good in comparison to NA
Sep 30 2013 4:14PM
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Arabian
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I honestly don't care. I don't consider most of scientific research science anyway so #yolo.


As long as they're not banning Bourbaki or AMS press i'm fine.
Sep 30 2013 4:18PM
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