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fuckgoof
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How many you guys are atheists? just kinda wondering
Sep 24 2013 10:29PM
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Spagett+
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AHH the irony.
Sep 25 2013 5:22PM
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Wolffy
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The one thing you are right in stating is that matter cannot be created or destroyed, but where you are flawed is in that law only applies to systems which are closed to matter and energy transfers. The universe is not that. The universe is self-creating and poised for indefinite growth and expansion. Quantum theory states the existence of an original empty space, consisting of energy movements from which all matter is shaped and formed. The fluctuations initially manifest like bubbles in a foam, and shortly after the big bang, these bubbles expanded (inflated) each becoming a mini-universe in its own right. A great deal of experimental evidences supports this ideal. And it is strongly endorsed by leading scientists of our time including Andri Linde (Moscow & Stanford), Maris Rees (Cambridge), Brian Green (Columbia), and Paul Davies (Sydney). Therfore, science does not contradict itself. You are an abominably licentious misdemeanant and a nefarious dull-witted sideshow freak whose word is as valuable an aging cow paddy.

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Sep 25 2013 5:26PM
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chicken
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oh realy?
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where did the matter go!?
Sep 25 2013 5:30PM
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Spagett+
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Sep 25 2013 5:42PM
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Granby_killdozer
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What was ironic about what I said spagett+?
Sep 25 2013 5:45PM
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Spagett+
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While i agree that it is hard to believe in both what science proves and that there is still a god, By calling something "real science" and referring to "a giant bearded man in the sky" then telling people to keep their ignorance to themselves makes for a pretty ironic situation!!
Sep 25 2013 5:51PM
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Jibberino
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Incorrect.
Sep 25 2013 5:56PM
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Granby_killdozer
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The subject Vince was bringing up wasn't based on any valid scientific theory to date (e.g. why I inferred it wasn't based on REAL science) . The "giant bearded man in the sky" was a euphemism for the idealized image of the christian god.

I've taken multiple classes on the religions of cultures around the world and at different time periods(including biblical times), so I'm far from ignorant on the subject. So as of right now I'm failing to see what makes this a "pretty ironic situation!!", but by all means... enlighten me.
Sep 25 2013 6:06PM
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Arabian
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Hi yeah let me call this out on being absolutely retarded. Bayesian Inference is in reference to probabilities, which occur in an ambient probability space denoted (Ω,Click for larger image,P) where Click for larger imageis a sigma-algebra on the nonempty space Ω and P the probability measure satisfying the usual measure-theoretic constraints. It presupposes the existence of the space, a measurable cardinality of subsets of the space, and a metric on the space.

At no point are you ever asserting the absence of evidence as a global statement, only that the absence of a probability on this space is evidence of its absence ON THIS SPACE. There could be infinitely many other countable subsets for which this holds. You have proven what is the equivalent an anecdotal topos.

TL;DR lrn2 statistics, math, logic, and argue.
Sep 25 2013 6:08PM
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TechnoPotamus
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Sep 25 2013 6:12PM
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drewolson24
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the reason for religion is so people can cope with death and what will happen after it. also to brighten the lives of ona another during the journey of life. there are thousands of religions and neither one is really right unless you make it right in your own head. no matter if i am catholic, buddhist, islam, or athiest, what the world is going to do wont change and neither will it after i die.
Sep 25 2013 6:29PM
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Spagett+
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it was an ignorant comment you dumb shit. Just accept it. please.
Sep 25 2013 6:35PM
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Aidan-G
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Where's the goat stall?
Sep 25 2013 6:42PM
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fuckgoof
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Thats right but some would question how it is known that those rock formations are that old? And also I said its biology is my first biology since 7th grade
Sep 25 2013 6:49PM
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fuckgoof
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Thats kind of what ive been saying but religion is much more than that
Sep 25 2013 6:52PM
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Aidan-G
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Because they can simulate on a smaller scale how these rocks form, look, etc. after years and years of weather. They then extrapolate that data over millions of years and they end up with how the rocks are. Experimentation followed by basic math
Sep 25 2013 6:56PM
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987321654hgfd
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Another atheist checking into this thread.
Sep 25 2013 6:56PM
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roddy116
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no its pretty darn correct.
Sep 25 2013 6:58PM
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Aidan-G
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It was called the Dark Ages because of how society declined and not many advances were made due to increased belief in religion and shunning of science. I just looked it up. Multiple sites, no mention of it being a result of disease or disaster
Sep 25 2013 7:02PM
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roddy116
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no one shunned science, the reason the dark ages happened is because the only real european nation that had any interest in science ( the romans) was brought down by the barbarians.

in fact the dark ages pretty much began questioning whether or not religion was correct, it was nothing but an elongated period of warfare and death.


and if you google dark ages you see plague, barbarians etc in the other links.

now go read a book
Sep 25 2013 7:11PM
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Aidan-G
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I'm not saying the plague wasn't involved, I'm saying it was not called the dark ages as a result of the plague


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_%28historiography%29
Sep 25 2013 7:15PM
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deleted5
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This is the 2nd smartest thing I have ever read on this site, I have no idea what was said, but i feel like you won.
Sep 25 2013 7:15PM
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roddy116
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fair enough but you cant say that the church as a whole cause a decrease in science.

mainly because monasteries came around, and they as a whole began to keep to themselves and not worry about others.
Sep 25 2013 7:17PM
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AT-AT
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Agnosticism
Sep 25 2013 7:27PM
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deleted5
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But we can say we would be in a better place with out it.
Sep 25 2013 7:29PM
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roddy116
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yeah we would be better off without christian outreach programs.




your such a dumbass.


Sep 25 2013 7:33PM
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Aidan-G
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Are you saying that Christian outreach programs came about as a result of the Dark Ages?
Sep 25 2013 7:34PM
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roddy116
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No, but based off of that statement i can say that you cant follow a conversation very well.
Sep 25 2013 7:35PM
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Aidan-G
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Then enlighten me (see what I did there?) because it seemed to me that he was saying we would be better off without the religions influence on the Dark Ages and then you said christian outreach programs
Sep 25 2013 7:37PM
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roddy116
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He said that we would be better off without religion overall...
Sep 25 2013 7:38PM
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Arabian
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The Dark Ages were not so. That's very Western Revisionist of you to think that all scientific progress stopped because the west was mired in religious turmoil. In fact, at the time of the Dark Ages, the Arabic Renaissance was going on, and we saw the invention of algebra, hospitals, antiseptic medical practices, skyrocketing literacy rates, and astronomy that we still use today. It was really only a shit time for Europe.
Sep 25 2013 7:51PM
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Aidan-G
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Hey I never said it stopped, I said it lessened. I never mentioned that it decreased in the middle east because I knew about the Arabic Renaissance and the Dark Ages pretty much solely refers to Europe. i thought all this was a given
Sep 25 2013 7:57PM
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deleted5
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hahahaha hahaha haha ha yes because giving food to poor people makes up for everything wrong that religion has ever done. You guys want to help make this world a better place start paying taxes.
Sep 25 2013 7:57PM
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roddy116
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because the only poor people on this planet are americans? jesus your more stupid than i thought.
Sep 25 2013 7:59PM
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TechnoPotamus
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O_O



couldn't help it, sorry
Sep 25 2013 8:02PM
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deleted5
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So your saying that all churches that ever existed made the world a better place, because over the 1,000's of years they've been around they give food to poor people.
biased much?
Sep 25 2013 8:06PM
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roddy116
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no im saying that the overall mission of christianity is to help people who need help, that seems to make the world a better place in my eyes at least.

your still a dumbass.
Sep 25 2013 8:09PM
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Aidan-G
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As long as they're not gay right?
Sep 25 2013 8:12PM
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deleted5
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well if I'm a dumb-ass who won this argument, what does that make you?

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Sep 25 2013 8:14PM
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roddy116
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nice nitpicking, and the gay thing is played out, most churches are fine with gays and they dont care its just the few that the liberal media chooses in order to make a story that gets a reaction.
Sep 25 2013 8:16PM
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roddy116
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lol you "won" this argument. lol i was wrong your more of a dumbass than i thought.
Sep 25 2013 8:18PM
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Aidan-G
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That is not true, or at least has not been my personal experience. Of all the churches I've dealt with only 2 have been pro-gay.


And if you want me to not nitpick here's this: The goal of Christianity is to spread the word and influence of Christ, not helping people who need help
Sep 25 2013 8:22PM
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roddy116
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part of the word of christ is to help others feed the homeless give water to the thirsty.

and i grew up in extremist liberal minneapolis so i guess our encounters of churches are different.
Sep 25 2013 8:24PM
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GuacamoleMane
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As a whole christians have done more bad things in the world than any other religion. Its impossible to argue with the history everywhere they go they "convert" the natives and denounce any opposing ideas. Today yea religion may be helping out more but it is still the root of almost every international conflict.
Sep 25 2013 8:25PM
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Aidan-G
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Key words: part of
Sep 25 2013 8:26PM
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roddy116
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because the mission of a christian cant have more than one idea to it...
Sep 25 2013 8:28PM
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fuckgoof
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just wondering is this a logic equation? I had to take a year of logic and I dont remember that one so im curious
Sep 25 2013 8:30PM
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Aidan-G
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Never said it couldn't, and if you read my other posts to you never even implied it. I'm just saying that the main goal of christianity is not helping people, it is expanding their influence by spreading their ideals and growing the numbers of the church
Sep 25 2013 8:31PM
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roddy116
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no im pretty sure islam is. The qu'ran literally says to kill people if someone challenges them or draws muhammad in a picture. and its been going on for almost as long as christianity has.
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