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SamDana
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I get the must ridiculous foot crap on the side of my feet near my arches, which means i have to stop every 15 mins or after a run to massage my feet. It does go away after a few hours, but still hurts to ski and it is really pissing me off. I also have a massive instep like nothing you have ever seen. I have salmon quests boots which are fitted properly and i have custom insoles. I went for one week with my new boots and still had problems so took them to some fag smoking striped shirt french foot man in tignes who did all kinds of things to the boots, it was alright for one day then it all came back again. So i took them back to snow and rock to be reheated and fitted. Went away for another week and the same problem still. So i took them back again to someone who new what they was talking about well as it seemed. The guy said because of my high instep and the blood vessels on the top of your feet with pressure on this part can cut of circulation, so he took like 2mm off the boot insole and some plastic crap bit i didn't need on the custom insole and told me to wear fin socks with just padding on the key areas. I haven't yet had a chance to test em out, hopefully i will be soon up in hemel.

Any advise or anyone had this ridicules painful pain in the ass problem?

out.
Aug 21 2013 12:51PM
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Miomo
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Shut the fuck up
Aug 21 2013 1:15PM
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PsychedelicMoose
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Aug 21 2013 1:23PM
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Pipe_Munky
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sounds like your footbeds might be improperly made. if your foot isn't able to articulate a little bit towards the front of your arch, this could be causing the cramping.

if this latest fix doesn't help, have them make you a new set of footbeds
Aug 21 2013 1:25PM
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SamDana
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banging idea, but i tried this in my old boots
Aug 21 2013 1:49PM
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tomPietrowski
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Where did you get your boots and who made your footbeds. It's certainly a footbed problem. By the sound of it your foot is being forced to pronate because the instep is too low in the boot and probably the foot ed either is not airport ice enough or is not stiff enough. Which quest boot did you get? If its a max then you can get the instep pushed out a long way with a molding with plenty of padding on top of your foot. Footbed wise you need someone really good to make them simple as that. I'm working a bit in London from October or try to get to castleford and see Julien. Out of interest was it snow and ro k covent garden by any chance?
Aug 21 2013 1:52PM
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tomPietrowski
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Surportive not airport ice haha.
Aug 21 2013 1:53PM
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SamDana
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I might go back and just ask for a remold while the professionals are in. If not i can get the snow and rock and hemel snow dome to look at them so i can explain whats going and then its sorta first hand. It was port solent pal!
Aug 21 2013 2:01PM
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tomPietrowski
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Honestly I have seen a lot of issues with snow and rock fits. In whistler they provided us with almost more customers then anywhere else, only closely beaten by small east cost shops. . If you can wait you can come see me later in the yer an ill get them sorted for you.
Aug 21 2013 2:04PM
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marsh.
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I had this problem and I fixed it by loosening my boots. Seriously, the exact same pain you are describing.
Aug 21 2013 2:04PM
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tomPietrowski
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Unless you were just way over tightening your boots that's not really solution. You can't ski in boots which are loose at any great speed. It's better to have the instep reshape a so you can keep the boots tight but without pain.
Aug 21 2013 2:06PM
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.Rybak.
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I had this problem and it took like a whole day to heal. It didn't start to hurt until i took my boot off though.
Aug 21 2013 2:23PM
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rockersteez
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You ever stretch your feet like in bed and have your foot just get stuck there and burn and you have to physically move your foot back into a non painful position.

Maybe I'm just an alien though.
Aug 21 2013 2:55PM
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SamMcChesney
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I have this also but it only affects me when I am hiking.
Aug 21 2013 3:26PM
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SamDana
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I think your just an alien, got some weird shit going on there.
Although I do loads calf and foot stretches now to try and prevent the problem.
Yeah okay if I get the problem after the trails I'll pop down later on!
Aug 21 2013 4:20PM
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Bogs
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Yes you can. I do it all the time. I have the same problem as op and hardly ever buckle my boots at all. Still doesn't make the pain go away completely, but it helps. Well, maybe it depends what you mean by "great speed." I'm not saying i'm skiing 60 mph all the time, but, unless you're racing, who is?

to op: I've been looking for a solution to the problem for 4 or 5 years now and haven't found anything. No matter what a boot fitter does to my boots the pain doesn't go away. The thing that helps most for me is stretching. Has nothing to do with boot fitting, per se, but I have chronically tight achilles/calves/hamstrings and stretching every day does help the pain. Made it so I could at least ski pain free, for the most part, if i keep my boots unbuckled. Also using a golf ball to roll out the bottom of your foot after skiing will help loosen the muscles in there for the next day, so they hopefully won't cramp as quickly.

This is may or may not be the case for you, but if the cuff of your boot is especially tight around your calves it might help to have a bootfitter stretch them out a little so that more blood can get down to your foot.
Aug 21 2013 5:33PM
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tomPietrowski
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^ no of you have to ski with your boot loose then you have poorly fitting boots. Just wearing boots loose is not an answer you put your self at risk of injury by not having full control over your skis.

But I'll try to help you. Most boot fitters especially in North America fit with the medial arch able to lengthen allowing te foot to pronate somewhat. The thorey is this allows you try put more weight on the inside edge. However you end you stretching the medial and in some cases lateral and torisional arch. You may also fin the inner ankle needs stretching. An inner ankle and navicular stretch is very common in the states and is all due to the footbed not holding the foot neutral.

What works better is keeping the foot in a near neutral verging on supernated postion. The reason you can slightly supernate is the foot will always pronate under force so starting slightly beyond neutral mean the foot ends up neutral under maximum load. This means that in the middle of a turn the knee is traveling perfectly aligned giving the most power to te leg. This way if fitting also allows for minimal stretch work to be done as you are controlling where te foot ends up under weight, unlike the North American method.

The method I work with is much more effective for freestyle as the stress te foot for through under large impacts can actually be controlled by using the correct stabilisation. Most North American fitters support the mid tarsal joint believing that will control the foot and although it can control the heel it offers no airport under impact. That is why I prefer to build a large medial/lateral bed which also supports the mid tarsal. That way the entire foot can be controlled.

Basically you can have your boot fitted better but you need to find someone who can fit in the modern freestyle way which unfortunately is hard to find at the moment in North America.
Aug 21 2013 6:10PM
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tomPietrowski
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^ in response to watts
Aug 21 2013 6:12PM
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Bogs
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I know. Just saying, skiing without your boots buckled doesn't mean you can't ski fast, sure, it slows you down a little, but you can still get going pretty good.
Aug 21 2013 6:53PM
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tomPietrowski
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^it will always hold you back so if you don't want to ski as well as you can go for it, but just by getting your boots fit could mean the difference between progressing and not. It's your choice but there is no need to be held back by badly fitting boots.
Aug 21 2013 7:13PM
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SamDana
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I must give foot stretching a good go at and the golf ball sounds like a sound idea just to ease the pain and keep things in shape for the next day! I'm going to do a season this year so hope to get it all sorted!

Tom I got a better understanding of how it all works kinda now except from all those those big words in there my empty dome can't understand!

Can you reccomand any perticular streachs that can be done!

Aug 21 2013 7:28PM
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Bogs
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For hamstring/calf i just take a towel or something and sit up against a wall, legs out, put the towel around one foot and pull back. Also do it leaning my legs up against the wall with my back on the ground.

For calf you can just stand on just the ball of your foot off a step and leg your heel hang off of it, or get use something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Slant-Adjustable-Incline-Stretch-Position/dp/B002ZDURJ4/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hpc_5 of course it's ridiculous to spend that much money on something like that. I made my own easily enough and it works fine.


if your foot is tight enough you might want to start using a lacrosse ball to roll it out then advance to a golf ball, which is normally more intense then a lacrosse ball is, once the muscles are looser.
Aug 21 2013 7:56PM
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walrussteeze
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I think he means GORILLA OUT
Aug 21 2013 8:04PM
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Ksteez666
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obviously your boots dont fucking fit, i had minor pains and got the sides of my feet so i got my  liners punched out and they are so comfy now
Aug 21 2013 11:39PM
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SamDana
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Na the boots fit fine not pressure spots that i feel when skiing they have been checked by a million different people and different company's, just i have weird feet pal
Aug 22 2013 1:58PM
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tomPietrowski
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^no the boot may be ok shape wise but so thing is not working for you so overall the fit is not working for your feet. Did you go back and see them at rock and rubble yet?
Aug 22 2013 2:02PM
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austincampbell
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I had the same problem I just took a hammer and hit each toe very hard 10 times trust me it works
Aug 22 2013 2:06PM
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JAHBRADOR
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Stop standing in shit then.

Rubbing it in too? Whatever your fetish is i suppose.
Aug 22 2013 2:39PM
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rockersteez
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happened to me last night. I blame this thread
Aug 22 2013 2:49PM
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SamDana
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anyone got any custom ski boot liners? or would advise?
Aug 27 2013 11:27AM
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tomPietrowski
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What type of liner are you looking at? To be honest a liner usually can't do much in terms of sorting problems out
Aug 27 2013 2:46PM
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Alyon
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Are you jellin?
Aug 27 2013 3:20PM
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SamDana
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i was thinking more of a tung mold because of my high instep, i find it cuts of my circulation giving me cramp and just loss of feeling in my feet.

but i was going to go down to pro feet in London and see what they say just wanted an idea before.
Aug 27 2013 3:40PM
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tomPietrowski
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Pro feet Are pretty awfull so I would a kid the to be honest. If its instep pressure it's tough. Which quest do you h e max or regular shell? If its max its much easier to sort out. If its regular you can still stretch it just not many boot footers will be able to do it.

Have you discussed with s&r about changing boot as they don't sound like a very good fit for you shape wise.
Aug 27 2013 3:57PM
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tomPietrowski
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Avoid them that soul say not kid the
Aug 27 2013 4:02PM
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SamDana
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oh really?

got the quest max 100, most of the boots i tried was a lot worse!
Aug 27 2013 4:05PM
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tomPietrowski
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Well the mac is easy to mold if done right. What type of molding have you had done so far
Aug 27 2013 4:09PM
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SamDana
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nothing really, had them heated and molded from there, i get the sort of vibe they dont really know what they are doing in snow and rock really.
Aug 27 2013 4:13PM
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tomPietrowski
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Yeah unfortunately we have had a fair few issues with s&r. That shell is actually fairly easy to mold but it depends where it's tight is it right over the top or more towards the inside? If its the top then it just needs more volume. If its more inside the instep may need work but the footbed does too.

Either way give up on s&r. Come see me and I'll get you fitted up right
Aug 27 2013 4:16PM
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SterlingArcher
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Yeah man I get this sometimes too. Where ill flex my foot or curl my toes or somethin. And there's this burning pain and my foot is just locked into that position and in pain until I move my foot. Almost like an extreme spasm of sorts... I can relate to ya. Sucks.
Aug 27 2013 4:25PM
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SamDana
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Where are abouts are you dude?
Aug 27 2013 4:25PM
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tomPietrowski
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Ill be at Kensington Elis brig in a month or so do you need sooner ?
Aug 27 2013 4:28PM
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SamDana
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yeah that's fine, ill message you in a month, if you sort my problem i will give you my soul.
Aug 27 2013 4:35PM
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tomPietrowski
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Haha your sole you can keep. But I do like beer.
Aug 27 2013 4:43PM
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SamDana
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Basically iv been offered an exchange for another pair of boots which fit my feet correctly and this is all free of charge! This is by snow and rock and they also got there as they say expert boot guy coming to sort it all out. Could any one recommend any boots that are suitable for wide feet and high instep so i guess the boot will need a low instep! Sorry i didn't get down to you tom been far to busy!
Oct 29 2013 5:18PM
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jaythemans
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The work that a good boot fitter can do cannot be underestimated. Find one in your area, doesn't have to be a shop that sells line or first drop. Weird granola munching old guys are the boot fitters you are looking for.
Oct 29 2013 6:10PM
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louie.mirags
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A little late but that is callled a charlie horse. Usually due to dehydration.
Nov 30 2013 5:08AM
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