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Why do you think Heroin use is making a big comeback?

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Mr.Huck
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I friend of mine is a professor at University of Denver. School officials were recently informed by the police that Evans Avenue between Broadway and Colorado Blvd. has recently become the place where the most heroin deals happen in the state. Apparently it happens during rush hour traffic. People pull up and grab a balloon on their way to and from work.

"I'll try anything except Heroin" was a pretty commonly expressed phrase, during my college days.

The only things I ingest now are vitamins and supplements, and alcohol in moderation. My experience with the drug culture is extremely outdated. So seriously, why do you guys think that people are now messing with heroin again?
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CJHart
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Heroin is cheaper and easier to come by in most states. I am currently in recovery from a heroin addiction which came about after my second ACL reconstruction.
Nov 11 2015 6:40PM
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Crispy.
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CJHartHeroin is cheaper and easier to come by in most states. I am currently in recovery from a heroin addiction which came about after my second ACL reconstruction.


Stay strong my man!
Nov 11 2015 7:26PM
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.Rybak.
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There's so much heroin and it's just getting chealer from what I understand. In my hometown it's becoming much more prevalent because so many people are moving there from Detroit and Chicago.
Nov 11 2015 9:42PM
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Deepskier
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Because Chris heren
if you dont get this leave
Nov 11 2015 10:44PM
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.Rybak.
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snowdonI'm with you, I've never understood the appeal of doing opiates recreationally. Whenever I've been prescribed them they've just made me super itchy, nauseous, and overall more miserable than if I was just in pain. I'd rather just take tylenol than feel like crap because of those, never seemed like they really did much to touch the pain anyway.


I think most people get hooked on them after surgery. 2 summers ago i took 7.5 norcos from around the end of May to beginning of July. I had tp take them for about a month before surgery and by time surgery came around it was starting to beclme a habit. They make you constipated. I never really slept well at night. I actually pulled a few all nighters while binge watching shit on here. If I dod have a good night of sleep they would feel kinda nice for the first couple hours when I woke up and then I would get really irritable for no reason.

Finally when I wasn't being prescribed them anymore and had to quit I just felt like absolute shit for the next couple weeks. Felt like I had to throw up constantly and couldn't sleep at all.
Nov 12 2015 8:31AM
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bdarb207
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I heard an interesting statement from a drug dealer who said that he thinks these drugs are going up because of the legalization of marijuana. He said basically, you were giving these criminals something to do when weed was illegal, now that the money isn't there, they are focusing on other drugs, i.e. oxy's, heroin.

Interesting thought. Especially considering he has first hand experience in this and said that's why he moved to moving oxy instead.
Nov 12 2015 11:15AM
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Kazabazua
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Because of Doctors over prescribing opiates to patients (many who don't actually need them) and not clearly explaining the dangers and addictive qualities to them first. Drug companies should also really be required to provide out-patient rehabilitation to people who have been on opioid medication for extended periods of time - but that requires pressure from the government who don't really want to bother their golden goose.
Nov 12 2015 2:56PM
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FrenchFry
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CJHartHeroin is cheaper and easier to come by in most states. I am currently in recovery from a heroin addiction which came about after my second ACL reconstruction.


Good luck ma dude. People on Ns always here for you dude.
Nov 12 2015 3:53PM
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doot
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CJHartHeroin is cheaper and easier to come by in most states. I am currently in recovery from a heroin addiction which came about after my second ACL reconstruction.


Hang in there, glad to see you're trying to get better
Nov 12 2015 5:11PM
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Dodgerguyla
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Question, many times of day did you have to take them pre op and post op?im questioning how I should go about useung 7.5 hydro codons.
.Rybak.I think most people get hooked on them after surgery. 2 summers ago i took 7.5 norcos from around the end of May to beginning of July. I had tp take them for about a month before surgery and by time surgery came around it was starting to beclme a habit.
Nov 12 2015 8:16PM
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.Rybak.
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DodgerguylaQuestion, many times of day did you have to take them pre op and post op?im questioning how I should go about useung 7.5 hydro codons.


It was 1 ever 6 hours. So about 4 in a 24 hour period. I ended taking up to about 10 a day maybe even more. Pre op was worse because i actually needed the pain relief. After it was about 6-9 a day. Definitely pair it with iburpofin or something though because it helps a lot more and you will take less.


I will say though, i would be fucked up after about 3 beers when i was taking them.
Nov 12 2015 8:28PM
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Dodgerguyla
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How does Hydrocodone play a factor. I've had a broken clavicle a month now. They prescribed me 7.5/300. I don't take them every day. I usually skip a day or two in hope it helps my body NOT develop a tolerance or future addictions. Any suggestions on how long one should take it for while dealing with the healing process?
Nov 12 2015 8:29PM
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Daph
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It recently made its way into big sky and this summer a well known local od'd and died in one of the bar parking lots. In such a small community, shit hit really hard. People up here are on the war path to get all of that stuff out of town and it's become kind of ugly with all the rumors circulating. Opiates are intense and after being on dilaudid for my leg injury and seeing how bad it fucked me up I know I'll never fuck with anything of that nature recreationally in my future. Drugs can be fun but I'll stick to the much lower consequence things.
Nov 12 2015 8:29PM
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Dodgerguyla
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Hey thanks for responding. Did you cut them cold turkey or taper off? I'm taking Hydrocodone 7.5, same as you were. At most I take three maybe four pills in a day, sometimes one. It all depends. I don't take them every day but I do have weeks where I do take them for three days and take a rest for a few days and use Advil regardless of pain level.
.Rybak.It was 1 ever 6 hours. So about 4 in a 24 hour period. I ended taking up to about 10 a day maybe even more. Pre op was worse because i actually needed the pain relief. After it was about 6-9 a day.
Nov 12 2015 8:49PM
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.Rybak.
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DodgerguylaHey thanks for responding. Did you cut them cold turkey or taper off? I'm taking Hydrocodone 7.5, same as you were. At most I take three maybe four pills in a day, sometimes one. It all depends. I don't take them every day but I do have weeks where I do take them for three days and take a rest for a few days and use Advil regardless of pain level.


Yeah it was pretty much cold turkey. I started waning off of them a bit more just because i had a lot less pain but as soon as i was done it definitely wasn't pleasant.
Nov 12 2015 9:24PM
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Lonely
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My area has one of the highest amounts of meth labs in the state. And now we're also starting to see heroin coming back into play. Vibes to anyone going through some tough shit
Nov 12 2015 9:37PM
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act.resist
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Barefootin_Fiendit's really clean feeling. Not really any rush, but decent nod. idk, the stuff is ok, but nothing to really write home about. I wouldn't ever go out of my way to find it.


Dear Mom and Dad,

I'm writing to tell you about this keen drug I found while hanging out with my bud on a street corner..........................
Nov 12 2015 9:56PM
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act.resist
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butterslut.Dear Mom and Dad,

I'm writing to tell you about this keen drug I found while hanging out with my bud on a street corner..........................


oh yeah, but i was in the ER awhile back and I heard out in the hallway that there had been 6 heroine overdoses that came in that night. Mt. Clemens, MI loves heroin.
Nov 12 2015 9:58PM
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californiagrown
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Cause opiates feel great, there has been a huge public awareness campaign to stop prescription pill abuse so pills are harder to get, AKA more expensive. Heroin is good and cheap.
Nov 12 2015 10:04PM
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Dodgerguyla
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In your opinion how do I avoid that so I don't have any W.D.?
.Rybak.as soon as i was done it definitely wasn't pleasant.
Nov 12 2015 11:18PM
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.Rybak.
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DodgerguylaIn your opinion how do I avoid that so I don't have any W.D.?


There's really no way to avoid it depending on how long you take them for. But really dont take more than 5 a day and you should be good. 6 is really pushing it.
Nov 12 2015 11:20PM
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Peter.
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DodgerguylaIn your opinion how do I avoid that so I don't have any W.D.?


.Rybak.There's really no way to avoid it depending on how long you take them for. But really dont take more than 5 a day and you should be good. 6 is really pushing it.


if you take the recommended amount and then once the pain starts to ease up, taper down the use. to be honest, i only took 1 when going through my ACL reconstruction because i hated how they made me feel (sweaty etc), and i was fine. NSAIDs have been proven to provide the same amount of pain relief as opioids
Nov 12 2015 11:35PM
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Mingg
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Damn, heroin has gotten so bad back home. My hometown is actually so fucked. They cover everything up, so you'd never know but it's so bad. When I worked at Panera in high school, we went to check the bathrooms at close one night like we always did and there was a woman passed out in the middle of the floor, needle in arm, hardly breathing. She ended up passing away at the hospital that night but no worries, the town covered all of it up!!! Never reported on it, but if this had happened in the city it would have been huge news. It's just awful. Nothing is ever going to change there because they don't want their precious name to be ruined. So fucking lame.

My brother's been using heroin on and off since I was 8. He pretty much has lost everything but still goes back to it time and time again. It's crazy how a substance, a drug, can take over your life like that. Straight up crazy.
Nov 13 2015 12:29AM
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daannnnieel
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MinggMy brother's been using heroin on and off since I was 8. He pretty much has lost everything but still goes back to it time and time again. It's crazy how a substance, a drug, can take over your life like that. Straight up crazy.


I've experimented with a lot of drugs and I will literally never experiment with heroin.
Nov 13 2015 12:50AM
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californiagrown
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Peter.if you take the recommended amount and then once the pain starts to ease up, taper down the use. to be honest, i only took 1 when going through my ACL reconstruction because i hated how they made me feel (sweaty etc), and i was fine. NSAIDs have been proven to provide the same amount of pain relief as opioids


Yeah but NSAIDS dont make you feel euphoric and then sleepy... ttwo really, really nice things to feel when in large amounts of pain. Its more about making you as comfortable as possible and reduce your stress level.
Nov 13 2015 12:52AM
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PeppermillReno
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californiagrownCause opiates feel great, there has been a huge public awareness campaign to stop prescription pill abuse so pills are harder to get, AKA more expensive. Heroin is good and cheap.


Yup. I honestly can't believe how many people I know are still popping or even sniffing shitty perks here and there late 20s early 30s. And heres the thing there are NOT the kids who had bad oxy habits back in the day or been into H either though obviously they're peeps I always got fucked up with and still do. (I can't help but think to myself are you even getting a tiny bit buzzed off that shitty as weak perk when they offer me a bump of one or something.)

And cocaine sucks ass and is too expensive and a waste. And people don't want to be smart with their yayo and chef it up into crack most people waste that shit in their nose. Crack is a much better high and doesn't keep you up all night dunno why so many people give it such a bad name I don't do it or anything but if I was drunk at a party and it got passed to me in a blunt I'd be like fuck yea.


People should be able to get their hands on pharmies easier the smackheads are always going to find that shit but there are a lot of other people who need to be able to eat some perks with their beers every now and then add in a problem or two and they turn to H.
Nov 13 2015 1:15AM
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Peter.
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californiagrownYeah but NSAIDS dont make you feel euphoric and then sleepy... ttwo really, really nice things to feel when in large amounts of pain. Its more about making you as comfortable as possible and reduce your stress level.


oh yeah for sure, the other effects of opioids are what make people want to use them so much.

to the OP, just a heads up you will get constipated on them
Nov 13 2015 7:50AM
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Dodgerguyla
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After reading all this on here has me thinking I should steer clear of taking my Hydrocodone. I'm an alcoholic who quit drinking when I broke my clavicle ( I was drinking and fell). I think the pain pills will become a problem and then the scripts will stop coming in. I do not want to have deal with DT's! I'll stick to smoking weed until this whole mess of my clavicl heals and I get back to work. And yes I know I shouldn't be smoking weed as an alcoholic but it is the least of the problems currently!
Nov 13 2015 12:01PM
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californiagrown
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DodgerguylaAfter reading all this on here has me thinking I should steer clear of taking my Hydrocodone. I'm an alcoholic who quit drinking when I broke my clavicle ( I was drinking and fell). I think the pain pills will become a problem and then the scripts will stop coming in. I do not want to have deal with DT's! I'll stick to smoking weed until this whole mess of my clavicl heals and I get back to work. And yes I know I shouldn't be smoking weed as an alcoholic but it is the least of the problems currently!


If also steer clear of Tylenol for a while and give your liver a bit of a break...
Nov 13 2015 1:14PM
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Dodgerguyla
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I actually haven't been taking a lot of Vic but reading all thus scares the shit outta me. Your idea is good though. I took Tylenol this morning but I didn't have Advil. I need to buy some! Now how do I dispose of 30 something vics? Shit, lol....
californiagrownIf also steer clear of Tylenol for a while and give your liver a bit of a break...
Nov 13 2015 2:34PM
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californiagrown
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DodgerguylaI actually haven't been taking a lot of Vic but reading all thus scares the shit outta me. Your idea is good though. I took Tylenol this morning but I didn't have Advil. I need to buy some! Now how do I dispose of 30 something vics? Shit, lol....


Huh? Do you have a liver issue? Why are you worried about Tylenol?
Nov 13 2015 2:35PM
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californiagrown
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californiagrownHuh? Do you have a liver issue? Why are you worried about Tylenol?


Nvm. Though you were someone else.

Sell the Vicodin.
Nov 13 2015 2:38PM
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Dodgerguyla
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Nah, I'm old enough to know better.
californiagrownNvm. Though you were someone else.

Sell the Vicodin.
Nov 13 2015 8:22PM
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GPO
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CJHartHeroin is cheaper and easier to come by in most states. I am currently in recovery from a heroin addiction which came about after my second ACL reconstruction.


Just a question but how can you get addicted in a hospital or afterwards?
Nov 13 2015 8:34PM
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TheBigApple
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SlimDunkin.Kids at my school wil blow perch 30's in the bathroom during lunch, but if you ask them about getting smacked up, they'll look at you disgusted and call you a scumbag. H is fun, but entirely not worth it, Ive bumped a couple lines but never any more then that, if you're really fixing for an opioid high find something other then heroin, or better yet just don't even do it.


You admit to doing heroin? Jesus.

I blew a couple lines of coke a few times but wouldn't admit it to many people.
Nov 13 2015 8:37PM
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PBRasap
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lineskier10cause of perc 30s and other prescription opiates, im glad they got rid of opanas they were nasty little fuckers



YUP.

Town 20 mins from me made it all the way to cosmo. http://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/news/a49010/heroin-is-killing-a-shocking-number-of-young-people-in-a-small-new-york-county/ I lost count of the friends/acquaintances/ people I went to high school with I've lost in the last few years.
Nov 13 2015 8:48PM
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CJHart
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eindelijkskisJust a question but how can you get addicted in a hospital or afterwards?


Because you get prescribed a lot of pain killers like Percocet and Oxycontin, and OC is essentially the same drug as heroin.
Nov 13 2015 9:40PM
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2_fadez
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looking back earlier in this thread two years ago lol....
ended up trying, but never shot. had my two roommates get addicted my senior year and i was about to move out because of it. shit is crazy.

too many deaths, too many lives ruined. its sad, but really does start from pills and raiding the medicine cabinet. vibes to everyone trying to stay clean. its tough and i still think about it every day. any time shit goes wrong in my life, thats where my mind heads to, but staying clean is too important. good luck
Nov 13 2015 9:53PM
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fatmilf
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because heroin is so lit bruh
Nov 13 2015 10:09PM
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Dodgerguyla
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Are you sober. I'm working on this for time number who knows. Booze is my drug of choice. Almost have five weeks..
2_fadezlooking back earlier in this thread two years ago lol....
ended up trying, but never shot. had my two roommates get addicted my senior year and i was about to move out because of it. shit is crazy.

too many deaths, too many lives ruined. its sad, but really does start from pills and raiding the medicine cabinet. vibes to everyone trying to stay clean. its tough and i still think about it every day. any time shit goes wrong in my life, thats where my mind heads to, but staying clean is too important. good luck
Nov 14 2015 12:32AM
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2_fadez
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DodgerguylaAre you sober. I'm working on this for time number who knows. Booze is my drug of choice. Almost have five weeks..


No, was for a little while, but I've been drinking a lot and taking xanax. Vyvanse for school too
Nov 14 2015 7:32AM
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fortyvalve
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MinggMy brother's been using heroin on and off since I was 8. He pretty much has lost everything but still goes back to it time and time again. It's crazy how a substance, a drug, can take over your life like that. Straight up crazy.


Same here. Pretty much ever since I can remember my brother has been addicted. I don't think most people understand that heroin addicts are always addicts, they never will truly break free from that addiction. Many people in here are sitting and hypothesizing about what drugs are worse than heroin etc etc but it comes down to personal experience in order to truly understand how fucked up this drug is. But I'll put it in perspective.

How many people have honestly had to deal with the full blown side effects of living with an addict? That's a serious question, but here are some of my experiences: Having to install locks on every single door inside your home, getting a phone call on father's day when you're out golfing with your dad that your brother just OD'd, going up to the local pawn shop and finding out that half of their entire store inventory is from things your brother has stolen from your family over the past few years, stealing and selling family heirlooms, crashing your car while high then reporting it stolen, I could go on for pages.

As to why is it so popular? The guy up their nailed it. It starts with pills, you get hooked and then realize it's too expensive to maintain your habit then you ultimately switch to H.

Sorry for the rant and sorry if this offends anyone currently dealing with anything related to this subject, these are just my personal experiences.
Nov 14 2015 8:34AM
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bdarb207
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swordsandpensSame here. Pretty much ever since I can remember my brother has been addicted. I don't think most people understand that heroin addicts are always addicts, they never will truly break free from that addiction. Many people in here are sitting and hypothesizing about what drugs are worse than heroin etc etc but it comes down to personal experience in order to truly understand how fucked up this drug is. But I'll put it in perspective.

How many people have honestly had to deal with the full blown side effects of living with an addict? That's a serious question, but here are some of my experiences: Having to install locks on every single door inside your home, getting a phone call on father's day when you're out golfing with your dad that your brother just OD'd, going up to the local pawn shop and finding out that half of their entire store inventory is from things your brother has stolen from your family over the past few years, stealing and selling family heirlooms, crashing your car while high then reporting it stolen, I could go on for pages.

As to why is it so popular? The guy up their nailed it. It starts with pills, you get hooked and then realize it's too expensive to maintain your habit then you ultimately switch to H.

Sorry for the rant and sorry if this offends anyone currently dealing with anything related to this subject, these are just my personal experiences.


Not a fucked up thing to share. It's life and addiction and it sucks. It blows my mind how many people don't realize oxy's and heroin are basically the same thing. "No my doctor perscribed these, they're different drugs.."
Nov 15 2015 11:55AM
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PeppermillReno
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FUCK my troll post in this thread about crack ended up biting me in the ass.

Was on a serious bender and woke up Sat morning and kept drinking and really wanted to pick up a bag of white and go into Boston early evening/late afternoon. It sucks being 30 and trying to get drugs I called motherfucking everyone and all I could locate was rock cocaine and weed neither of which I wanted.
Nov 15 2015 3:23PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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2_fadezNo, was for a little while, but I've been drinking a lot and taking xanax. Vyvanse for school too


Still waiting on the vyvance you said youd send me two years ago...


But yeah apparently my old HS is dealing with a major influx of heroin. Shits pretty fucked when you have kids ODing in class...

But referencing a post above, doctors hand out opiods too damn easily. I had swimmers ear once and was prescribed vicodin, my dad who was with me was like "Jesus fuck, you're prescribing him vicodin and he doesn't even have an ear infection?" Let me take 1 that night and locked the rest in his safe for years before flushing them down the toilet. Then again alcoholism runs in our family and I have an addictive personality but still...
Nov 16 2015 1:06PM
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Bodhisattva_
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lineskier10cause of perc 30s and other prescription opiates, im glad they got rid of opanas they were nasty little fuckers


BmoChopKids pop pills because they're fun, easy to get, and easy to get away with. They start popping every day and it gets expensive, but they're hooked. Someone offers H at like 5 bucks a bag and they think "hey this will be great, I'll get higher off less and spend less money". They keep doing H to keep from getting dopesick and can't stop, and then their friends start doing H because it's around. I've been watching it happen the last couple months, shit is crazy.


Mr.HuckI hadn't heard of this trend, but that definitely sucks.

What's being described in Denver is that these are business professionals or at least people who have 9 to 5 type jobs. That's a new trend. H always had a following in the entertainment world, but this sounds like a bunch of banker types are tying off after work. I guess they could be smoking it. That's kind of what I was wondering.

Shooting up seems a little too hard core for this new group of Heroin users. I mean I guess it would be easier to cover up track marks if you have to wear a business suit, but I'm guessing that there is a new or improved method of smoking it, that is perceived to be more hip.


Yeah, most ppl are smoking it. Especially cuz they smoke the percs/oxy's (well, free base off of foil but u get the idea" and you can do the same with the H basically the exact same thing. Just subbing cheaper shittier high cuz they can't get the pills. It generally takes someone with a high tolerance, or a friend to try it first, for someone to start shooting.

On another note, watched somebody shoot up some blow a week or two ago then try to sell me tar. Was expecting him to want to try a bump and he busted out the needle and spoon and really freaked me out a bit...
Nov 20 2015 1:17PM
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pussycrushing
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because its awesome.
kills tons of ppl but if u didnt know the risks ur an idiot
Nov 21 2015 12:43AM
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