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GrabsForFun
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The Life Steeze Media guys just posted this on their facebookpage. Not sure if I´d call it a flatspin but it sort of looks like a double 540

Dub 540 Crash (Dub Flat 720 Pretzel 180) from Life Steeze Media on Vimeo.


Jul 10 2013 12:54PM
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eheath
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First of all, no "double" spin can be a 540 because thats not enough rotation.

A dub flat 7 (aka dub wack flp) is a 720 because each flp is 360 degrees. Dub flat 9 is the same thing but to switch at the end.


That being said, this shot is basically a fucked up dub flat 9, its more like dub underflip 9 since hes pretty much flipping sideways, but it seems like it was his frist try (might be wrong) and just threw his axis weird, which is why he fell.
Jul 10 2013 12:58PM
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eheath
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*also, there is nothing "pretzel (dub flat 7 pretzel 180)" about this trick i have no fucking idea where they got that from
Jul 10 2013 12:59PM
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MothaHucker
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Just looked like a dub flat 9 to me
Jul 10 2013 12:59PM
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GrabsForFun
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I have always known that a double has to consist of 2 360 degree rotations, that is why I said it "sort of" looked like a double 540.

Btw could it be a wackflip to a pretzel underflip? Just watching that trick makes me confused
Jul 10 2013 1:03PM
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eheath
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How the fuck is he pretzeling anything??

He dips his right shoulder and spins right.


Rodeo/flat 5 = dip left shoulder, spin left, dip right shoulder spin right. The same thing goes for underflips, if you dip your right shoulder, you spin out of it to the right.

This guy dips is right shoulder, does a weird backflip/flatspin/lincoln and like 45 degrees of rotation then he does another but spins the rest of the 180 out of that flip. There is nothing special about this trick, he fell because he was on such an odd axis.
Jul 10 2013 1:07PM
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eheath
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I think I see where the confusion starts with this trick.


He sets a flat 3 like you would a left flat 3, but he doesnt finish it like a flat 3. (aka wack flip) He leans back to the left but then flips under, vs rotating around his head and coming out and spinning left (which is why life steeze posted "pretzel" dub 540). he sets like hes doing a flat but then he tucked his head under his body like an underflip and then continuted his rotation and did a second underflip.

He never starts spinning left, he sets a flat 3 like he would spin left but his overall rotation is always to the right


BUT this trick they speak of kind of has happened before. Last WCS, bmos was doing dub flats and he set a left dub flat 7 but then spun out of it to the right, its really weird haha.


Either way, a trick is never a dub 540 even if he did a dub cork 7 and shiftied to 540 at the end, it would be dub 7 pretzel 180. You don't call a 2 on pretzel 2 on a rail a straight slide...
Jul 10 2013 1:21PM
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GrabsForFun
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English is not my first language so I may be interpreting this the wrong way. When you say you dip your shoulder you mean you lean, right? Because when you do a rodeo 5 (or more for that matter) you lean to one side and spi to the other. When I set a rodeo I lean to the right (slightly backwards but to the right) and I end up spining 180 to the left. Underflips are the opposite. Lean to one side and spin in the same direction (Uphill).  What I´m getting at is that when he did the first wack/flat 3 he leand to his right but rotated to the left. And the second flip could very well be some kind of underflip.

I dont know, maby I´m just too tired
Jul 10 2013 1:26PM
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Wolfgang.
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What if you did flat 5 to a real backflip, no wackflip shit, would you count the rotation in the backflip? No says backflip 360 or dub back 720...
Jul 10 2013 1:28PM
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eheath
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As I said in my previous post, he sets a left flat 3 but then never spun left, he came out of the flip and was 45 degrees to the right and dipped his head into the underflip.

Like I said, very confusing trick.
Jul 10 2013 1:30PM
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GrabsForFun
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Well this is something we can agree on atleast haha
Jul 10 2013 1:37PM
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oil.
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just looked like a bad dub 9
Jul 10 2013 1:41PM
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werd.
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Watching videos of confusing tricks makes me feel like a dumbfuck.
Jul 10 2013 2:36PM
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Chinchi
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Correct /thread
Jul 10 2013 2:55PM
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RubberSoul
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i used to do the single (5) version of this on diving boards, and CR johnson does one in a segment... maybe in happy dayz or wski106, i forget

anyway, weird trick, "seems" like you should spin left at the end but yeah idk i can't figure it out. felt really weird so i did them on diving boards a lot but never gave them much thought
Jul 10 2013 3:22PM
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FunkySane
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Looks like a flatspin to underflip.
Jul 10 2013 3:54PM
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RubberSoul
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@1:49

CR Johnson in Happy Dayz from Phil Herbert on Vimeo.

Jul 10 2013 4:17PM
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eheath
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1:49 was a cork 5....
Jul 10 2013 4:25PM
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RubberSoul
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right, in non splitting hairs land it is, but that's obv not where we are in this conversation..

all im saying is that it's a similar rotation to the second half of OP's trick...as you said:

"He sets a flat 3 like you would a left flat 3, but he doesnt finish it like a flat 3. (aka wack flip) He leans back to the left but then flips under, vs rotating around his head and coming out and spinning left (which is why life steeze posted "pretzel" dub 540). he sets like hes doing a flat but then he tucked his head under his body like an underflip and then continuted his rotation and did a second underflip.

He never starts spinning left, he sets a flat 3 like he would spin left but his overall rotation is always to the right"

just saying it could be interpreted as a clockwise sideflipish thing, but spins right, whereas we're used to spinning left out of a clockwise sideflipish rotation
Jul 10 2013 5:51PM
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a_burger
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fuck I can never tell what is happening in tricks like this. looks like 1 and a half lincoln loops then a switch front flip to me, but I don't know anything
Jul 10 2013 6:01PM
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Craigskis
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Looked like a double lincoln 180 -backflip 90/backflip 90

If you want to count the flips as a rotation it'd be a 9
Jul 10 2013 8:17PM
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Skibumsmith
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This reminds me of some fucked up rotation one of the Collins brothers threw in The Bolero Project.
Jul 10 2013 9:21PM
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nagger
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wackflip 3 to underflip 5
s'all it was
Jul 10 2013 11:03PM
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hyllengren
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that is one weak pretzel. He should've thrown in a frontflip for it to be legit
Jul 11 2013 12:39AM
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SABEK
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Hey let's see how much we can analyze this trick...
Jul 11 2013 1:46AM
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icon1234
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guys this is just a flat 3 to underflip 5...

There is no pretzel, it shouldn't even give the illusion of a pretzel because if you watch it you will see a fluid under flip 5 rotation in the second flip.
Jul 11 2013 2:31AM
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albatross.
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i cant believe this one guy took so much offense to this video that he had to post 6 times
Jul 11 2013 3:04AM
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skiierman
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And people laugh when I say the kids on NS are one step above the mentally retarded...
Jul 11 2013 8:52AM
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Mr.Huck
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This. It's just a double Lincoln but take off his different looking because he kind of 90's in like he is going to do an underflip, but then 90's back. His axis is closer to a lincoln than a flat. The 180 at the end happens sometimes when you aren't square coming out of your lincoln. So basically, one shoulder is ahead and it seems easier to 180 out.
Jul 11 2013 11:16AM
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DeRizzo
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Not sure what that was, but a lot of "air pretzels" happening lately.
Jul 11 2013 12:57PM
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TheClap.
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Exactly what I was thinking
Jul 11 2013 1:25PM
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Nate.Dog
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This is all that it is, no need for more confusion!
Jul 11 2013 1:38PM
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FIRETHECANNONS
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dub flat 7 do shifty/pretzel switch still insane
Jul 11 2013 2:37PM
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georgen12
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his knees go over his left shoulder. Therefore you would expect for the extra 180 on the end of a double flat 9 to spin from left. But as you can see, as he come out of his double 720 for the 900, he is spinning right. And so this is an air pretzel
Jul 11 2013 3:07PM
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Heart
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"pretzel"
Jul 12 2013 3:25PM
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