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i am a vegetarian. I dont mind if you eat meat. I have killed animals, so you can you. Why am i vegetarian? i dont like the taste of meat. i believe i am much more healthy for being one. i think i answered all your points, now stop being a stupid redneck and move on with your life.
meat that is treated better actually tastes better. And while you and me are made to eat meat, we are not made to eat beef that is pumped full of hormones and antibiotics and fed corn in a 5x5 cage for the majority of their lives. I may not be a vegetarian, but most of them use this as their reasoning, and most of them are a lot healthier than i am,
what a dumb thread. you dont care how animals are treated? omg, youre a fuckhead.
normally name calling isnt the answer, but youre beyond stupid and refuse to have something even close to an intelligent discussion, you morally and ethically handicapped idiot.
Eaaasssssy there, Mr. High and Mighty. Let's be honest for a second...if your prime rib tastes excellent, do you really give a fuck about the cow it came from? Probably not. And, if you're really sitting at the dinner table complaining about the ethical treatment of cows while eating a steak, you're probably a fucking hypocrite anyway.
That really is an unfair representation of that argument because you use a subjective hedonist point of view to justify eating meat. You can say that the pleasure gained from eating a steak is greater than the negative effects of eating meat (health, guilt, what ever), but that ignores the questions we ask in ethics; what should we do? what action is the right action?
I cannot admit that my actions are ethically normative. What I do may not be the right thing to do. I do not decide what is right and wrong based on the pleasure I experience. Can we justify rape because the sex it provides is pleasureful? Hell no. It's much more ethically permissible to get laid, or even hire a prostitute, and this does not result in someone getting raped. I get the same pleasures (kinda) and there is less harm. This is true with food. I can experience salty, fatty, sweet, and unami from things other than meat.
Another thing to note is, most people will contemplate eating meat when they are forced to slaughter an animal for their own consumption. Maybe you are testosterone filled dude who truly doesn't give a shit (debatable) that doesn't give a fuck about animals other than humans. Then consider the other arguments for a meat free diet:
-Environmental damage
Cows gotta eat something too. They end up accounting for a quarter of most American's carbon emissions. This a big part of a very big problem
-Water
Kinda runs in line with the environment, but we waste a lot of water in producing meat. I don't know the exact numbers of water use per calorie, but a meat free diet uses a fraction of the water used in a meat diet. That water can be better allocated for people who don't have clean water
-Food Shortages and land use
Same concept as before. We can use the land that is currently being used for animals and their food to grow more veggies
-Health
This is a very debatable topic, but I'm just gonna through this one out here at the end. There is a strong correlation between animal consumption and heart disease. Just as long as you don't substitute meat with caged chicken eggs and ice cream, you will probably feel healthier (more energy, sick less, better skin, etc.)
Personally, I think going vegetarian is an easy good thing to do. I eat good food all the time that is has no meat or dairy. I do eat eggs and sometimes I will put milk in my coffee (because soy milk usually sucks in the US and it should never be in coffee). I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. If I find myself in a foreign country where they put fish in front of me or whatever, I think it is more immoral to send the food back than it is to eat it. That's just straight up disrespectful and that's an issue that transcends eating meat in my mind
I'd give you a high five, I really like this reasoning for sure.
To be honest I really don't have many problems with vegetarians, EXCEPT for when they talk to you about you eating meat, that kinda gets me annoyed. Otherwise, they're people, if I didn't know they were vegetarian I probably couldn't tell the difference lol.
You have some relatively legitimate, thought out points. I good on you.
That said, one of my biggest pet peeves is when people compare the unethical/cruel treatment of animals to crimes committed against OTHER HUMANS. You cannot compare the pleasure one gets from eating a steak to the pleasure some sick person gets from raping another person.
I work with kids/teens/parents who have been neglect and abused all of their lives. Don't come telling me I should be worried about how a cow is treated when other people are living in similar/worse situations. (That was directed at PETA, people advocating for animal rights, etc, not specifically at you)
I agree that you can say these situations are dealing with equally severe immoral acts, but it's an argument from analogy. An argument from analogy must be similar in enough ways to be a strong argument. Whether or not the severity of an act effects the analogy is a good discussion to be had.
I will argue that it does not effect the strength of the analogy, but we must recognize that rape and meat consumption are vastly different in there severity. Both acts cause a net suffering for one's pleasure when another act, which is equally pleasureful for one and a net pleasure for all, is an option.
These sort of debates that litter discussion around vegetarianism bother me. It's a battle of semantics that I would rather not engage in. This is where and why I just say "Fuck it, I don't know who is right, but I'm going to refrain from eating meat because I know that has no negative consequences. Whether or not eating meat has any negative consequences requires further discussion".
This is just a shitty topic to discuss, just like the mind-body problem(physicalism vs dualism), or god (does god exist?), or Nas vs Jay-Z (who's got better flow?).
I've not eaten meat this week to see what it was like, it sucks. I understand vegetarian's point of views, but it's just not fun. If I like meat, I'll eat it.
Yeah and it tastes better. Vegetarians eat better and taste better. Actually, becoming vegetarian is great for improving your sex life. If that isn't incentive enough, then I don't know what is! Just messing with you, but a healthy diet in general will improve the quality of sex.
this is true, I've heard the same about chicks appreciating vegan dudes:
eat lots of pineapple/fruits/veggies = sweet, good tasting love juices
processed meats/dairy/garlic = not so good tasting love juices
that being said, ill take a blowjob and a steak please.
i completely respect anyone's decision to become vegetarian and i'm sure they have great reasons but i couldn't care less about hearing them constantly and stop fucking trying to take meat away from the cafeteria at school i will literally die as an athlete if i can't even eat meat several days a week