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skisteep
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Anyone on here have their CCP? If so, what model/caliber firearm do you carry and how was your experience with the class if you took it, I am looking into getting mine soon. Thanks
Apr 3 2013 1:29PM
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.AR6rider.
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This is primarily why I took it, and why I'm going to take an additional, advanced course with stuff like shooting in the dark, shooting while moving, reaction shooting, speed shooting, and improving combat accuracy. Should be fun as hell. I really want to find something like this to take with the AR-15 too.
Apr 3 2013 5:07PM
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49566738265
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Are you honestly suggesting people haven't been beaten to death? Is that your stance now? And you keep saying the "cops were right there" as if they were waiting for 10 minutes on the sideline.

More importantly: does it matter? A defenseless man (I make the assumption that without his weapon he was defenseless since he was beaten inside his car and couldn't end the situation there) was assaulted by a maniac who refused to stop his advances when shown a gun. How far do you think a person like that would go? Are you seriously suggesting he should have waited to see if the cops would show in time at that point?
Apr 3 2013 5:09PM
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49566738265
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Those all sound really fun, and amazingly enough you don't have to be a maniac to sport shoot.
Apr 3 2013 5:10PM
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MNS
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Good thing your dad has a gun, I dunno what I'd do if a lady came at me and I wasn't armed..
Apr 3 2013 5:10PM
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.AR6rider.
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I should have known this thread would devolve into something like this. I don't really give a shit about your opinion and it's not going to change mine. I'm not going to respond to any more of your posts. You can mark that down as a win in your book if you'd like, but you're still an idiot.
Apr 3 2013 5:10PM
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powderdrunkie
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I don't know what kind of gun you have ever shot, but if all I have to do is chamber a bullet we're talking about 2 seconds tops.

most the time I would not have to chamber one.
Apr 3 2013 5:11PM
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zwiefel12
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It's not useless if someone already has a gun. Like I said early I train regularly and feel fairly confiedent that I would easily be able to draw against some cracked out stoned person. But if I did not feel 100% sure i would not attemt to do so.

Why do you all keep saying load it. Mine is loaded all the time. Point and pull.   There is some training on how to defend yourself against a knife and be able to succeed in that situation. However if I wasnt 100% sure I would not attemt to do so.

Also I would disagree with you last statement. I believe the majority of CWP holders actually care enough to practice and be knowlegable about when to use their firearm.

Apr 3 2013 5:11PM
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.AR6rider.
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What if SHE was armed? I usually see 50/50 men and women at the shooting range on any given day. Men aren't the only batshit crazy people with guns.
Apr 3 2013 5:12PM
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corona
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are you saying you carry a concealed weapon with a chambered bullet? cause that's just all kinds of dumb.

also if you're not in a situation where someone can shoot you in the time you can pull out your gun and shoot, then chances are you're not in a situation you need a gun for at all.


enjoy your paranoia
Apr 3 2013 5:13PM
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MNS
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That's fair, I'm not looking to get into an argument. Also, I live in Canada, I think people here are pretty chill compared the the states
Apr 3 2013 5:13PM
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Blurst
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The orignal post made it seem like the cops had arrived as he shot this man. I never suggested people havent been beaten to death but I think that its a bit extreme to shoot the man.

How did this man get into the car in the first place? Couldnt he have just locked the doors and waited until the cops had come? Did the other dude have a weapon?

Guns are bad, concealed carry permits are bad. What if the "crazy" maniac gets a concealed permit? I am a hell of a lot more concerned with a "crazy" person being able to acquire any deadly weapons legally and carry them around at all times than I am with protecting myself, or talking myself out of a dangerous situation.
Apr 3 2013 5:15PM
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corona
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I don't know what kind of knives you've carried but I can cross a space of 5 feet and stab you in the eye before you even finish reaching for your gun.
Apr 3 2013 5:16PM
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cbj
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K you're not a ninja
Apr 3 2013 5:17PM
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powderdrunkie
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well I'd rather reach for a gun then because it takes the same amount of time to pull out a knife.
Apr 3 2013 5:17PM
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.AR6rider.
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Haha fair enough.

It's just frustrating how the majority of people think if you own a gun or have a concealed carry permit, you're some flag-waving, NRA-loving, paranoid idiot waiting for an opportunity to draw your weapon and use it. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I don't even plan to carry 99% of the time. I like shooting targets and think guns are cool. I would never use one in a situation where I didn't think I absolutely, 100% needed to. Unfortunately, some people in this thread seem to think that anyone who carries is going to purposely walk in shady areas at night, then attempt to pull a John Wayne and quick-draw on a mugger.
Apr 3 2013 5:20PM
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.frenchy
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It says it in the damn title you schmuck.
Apr 3 2013 5:21PM
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corona
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well, where I'm from it's not legal to have a bullet chambered in a concealed gun. so it's not a simple point and shoot.



also explain to me a situation where you have a gun pointed at you you'd feel 100% confident you wouldn't get shot if you went for yours.

I highly doubt the dude is going to bend down to tie his shoe laces.
Apr 3 2013 5:21PM
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XtRemE11
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yes, by being beat up. either way, it doesnt matter if his uncle would have lived or not, he's just supposed to sit there and get the shit beat out of him until the cops arrive in who knows how long? if i remember right the average police response time is around 14 minutes, that is more than enough time to kill someone or at least inflict serious, permanent injuries. shit you could do that in 2 minutes with your bare hands. and someone like that could most definitely pick up some blunt object and beat him with that..

a good friend of mine was charged by some guy on PCP with a knife, he shot the guy twice in the leg and stopped him.

sorry but it just seems like the most retarded thinking to say you should just remain helpless until the police arrive and hope you dont die. nice strategy there...
Apr 3 2013 5:21PM
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Dobies.
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I really dont understand members like you, VinnyF. So what if someone wants to carry concealed. If they pass the background and wait for their permit like a law abiding citizen, why must you hate on those people?
Apr 3 2013 5:24PM
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corona
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I love guns too and thing they're super fun and thoroughly enjoy shooting and hunting.

I would still never carry a handgun on me for safety's sake. That's asking for more trouble than it'd help you with. Concealed carry is just all kinds of idioticness. especially a loaded gun.

also why even get a concealed carry permit if you're not going to use it?
Apr 3 2013 5:25PM
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corona
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because more guns = less safe. you would honestly feel more safe knowing everyone around you has a gun than knowing none of them have a gun?
Apr 3 2013 5:27PM
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powderdrunkie
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open carrying makes some people uncomfortable.

of course some states don't allow an open carry but in the situation where you would like to conceal it, you have the ability to. It also makes driving with it easier as you don't have to show off to the world that you have a gun on your dash. because it really isn't a big deal. It's a gun. We have had them for years.
Apr 3 2013 5:29PM
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droseph
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i carry a sig .380 equinox, because its small, accurate and badass. unless you're hunting grizzlies, it has enough stopping power to get the job done. it's also just fun to shoot.

some idiot will probably say .380s are for pussies (or girls). i also own a taurus public defender.. a snubnose revolver that holds a .410 shotgun shell. you could miss your target and still do some serious damage with it. but it weighs like 3 pounds so i just keep it in my car.

i had a private instructor certify me instead of going to a class, so i don't really know what that would be like. you will probably just have to go over the laws and gun safety. florida requires that you "know" how to shoot a gun to get your certificate, but they only required a single round to be shot. which is scary because my half-blind, completely senile, 85-year-old grandmother could do that.

also, don't buy a glock. i've only heard bad things about people who've owned one. hope that helps!
Apr 3 2013 5:31PM
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Dobies.
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That isn't even a realistic scenario. Most people don't want to carry guns on their person (CCW). And the people who are doing so went through a background check, pistol class (usually) and all kinds of other paperwork. So yes, if people around me went through all that just to get their permit, they are most likely law abiding good citizens. Some scumbag criminal who has his black market .40 tucked into his waist band on the other hand; thats what scares me, but guess what? People will do that illegally no matter what you do. I'm curious, were you brought up in a anti- gun household/ have you ever shot a gun?
Apr 3 2013 5:33PM
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zwiefel12
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Also these are not the only two situations.

My dad carrys because he is 65 had a hip replacement, two should surguries and has bad arthritis in his knees from all his glory days of College football. 

If he was cornered by two or three men they could easily beat him to death. One kick to the face, done.

Apr 3 2013 5:35PM
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Blurst
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Why would two or three men ever corner a clearly fragile 65 year old man and beat him to death? How could that ever possibly happen? Thats just a stupid example.
Apr 3 2013 5:38PM
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.AR6rider.
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Aww I like our Glocks :( haha. Granted, we've only put about 500 rounds through each of them, maybe a little more, but I haven't had a single jam, they're lightweight, and they're easy to take apart/clean.
Apr 3 2013 5:39PM
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zwiefel12
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Where are you from where it's not legel to have a bullet chambered? And yes I carry loaded just like the vast majority of people who carry do haha.

Maybe if the dude is crazy and I can tell he super high on something. The training I do has you yell like there are cops in hopes they turn and look. So yes if someone took their eyes off of me I do feel 100% sure I would be able to draw and shoot in time. Thats why I train.

Apr 3 2013 5:40PM
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powderdrunkie
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actually it happens all the time.

Apr 3 2013 5:40PM
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Blurst
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any news stories examples to back up this claim of a senior citizen getting gang beaten to death? If it happens all the time there should be at least a few.
Apr 3 2013 5:41PM
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.AR6rider.
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You clearly live a very sheltered life in a nice suburb. I'm not saying I don't, but I spent just about every day in Detroit in the past 2 years for school and other various shit. If you take a wrong turn somewhere it can get realllllllly sketchy really fast. Especially when it's dark out.
Apr 3 2013 5:42PM
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Blurst
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I dont live in a sheltered suburb.

I get that there are bad neighborhoods, there are bad neighborhoods everywhere. Dont fucking go there if you feel as though its dangerous. People use guns as a way to just think they are autmatically safe. Use your fucking head.
Apr 3 2013 5:44PM
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powderdrunkie
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right off the top of my head because it was local.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2008352227_tubaman05m.html

53 years old so maybe not a "senior citizen" but this guy was practically homeless and very out of shape.
Apr 3 2013 5:44PM
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chicken
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this is an example of what happens when we allow ccw.



some guys rob a store at gunpoint. when a guy gets the chance he shoots the robber. up to this point it is ok. honestly no shots would have been fired if they had given the criminals the money. if they were looking to murder they would have immediately started shooting people.

anyways then this 70 year old man continues to shoot at the robbers who are now CLEARLY fleeing. not only that but he is shooting out into the street. god only knows who might be out there. fucking unnecessary use of force in this situation.

I don't want to get caught up in the cross fire because some guy is trying to be a hero.

I don't know the guy who is carrying a gun. I don't know how he will react in a stressful situation. I don't know how much training he has had. I don't fucking want him "protecting himself" near me. I have the right to live in a country where people aren't allowed to carry guns around.

If a criminal intends to shoot you, he will do it before you can get your weapon ready. All ccw does is increase the chance that the situation will elevate to the point where shots are fired.

go ahead and keep a shotgun in your home or your truck. I'm totally ok with that.

But you shouldn't be able to carry a concealed weapon in public.

And if you do. you ARE a fucking wiener.
Apr 3 2013 5:46PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Your arguing not to use something just because its a rare occurrence when you would have to use it thats just stupid. If they came out with some new safety feature for cars that only was effective in 5% of crashs of course you would put it on your car. Maybe you get a CWP and some guy sticks you up with his gun and you dont end up using it but it was still no harm being there. You cant say you shouldnt get one just because its a rare occurrence to use it.
Apr 3 2013 5:47PM
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droseph
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lol @ only 500 rounds.. that's still the break-in period right? ;) my dad was always anti-glock, so i kinda just agreed with him. but our entire police department in my hometown only carried glocks so i guess they must not be that bad.
Apr 3 2013 5:48PM
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49566738265
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That's the reason I think CCP isn't dangerous though. Those who have committed crimes with firearms in the past have been able to easily obtain them illegally. And they conceal them without a permit, because they don't care. It's a pain to get the CCP, and I doubt anyone with the intention of committing a crime with a firearm is going to go through the hassle so they legally carry a weapon and illegally harming someone.

In the end I think it's sadly a moot point though. Disturbed people find new horrifying ways of killing others everyday, and I don't really have a solution for quelling that.
Apr 3 2013 5:49PM
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.AR6rider.
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How exactly was his weapon "concealed?" He was wearing a tucked in T-shirt with shorts. You can't even see him draw the weapon because he's behind a desk.
Apr 3 2013 5:50PM
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Blurst
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The CCP argument is dumb. Its way to much of an issue to even be debated because Americans care way to much about guns. Its basically come to being a fundamental right like the freedom of speech and will never ever change no matter how ridiculous you guys continue to make yourself look to the rest of the world with constant gun violence.
Apr 3 2013 5:51PM
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.AR6rider.
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Hmm...I wonder how much of that violence is caused by guns that are legally owned and by owners who have concealed permits, rather than fuckup criminals with the .38 they bought from Jamal out of his trunk.
Apr 3 2013 5:53PM
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49566738265
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You guys?
Apr 3 2013 5:54PM
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Blurst
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doesnt matter, they still get on the streets some how and the although Concealed carry may be a small percentage it just adds to your gun culture.
Apr 3 2013 5:54PM
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KLovelace
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i love curry!
Apr 3 2013 5:56PM
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chicken
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ok. I guess I should be clear. I mean no one should be able to carry a gun. concealed or not.

but concealed carry is much worse. I want to know who has a gun on them. If you feel the need to walk around with a gun you should at least be displaying it so I can see.
Apr 3 2013 5:58PM
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zwiefel12
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Thats just not true... haha. you dont KNOW that they wouldnt shoot someone. What if he doesnt get enough money then points his gun at your head and demads more. What if he thinks he sees cops outside and decides to grab a hostage. youre right more that likely he would have taken money and left, I wont deny that. HOWEVER, you cant deny that you truely do not know what the situation will develop into and I personally wont wait around to find out. hell people accidently shoot people all the time when theyre just showing friends their gun. Whats stopping some crazy from accidently pulling the trigger!
Apr 3 2013 5:58PM
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t_rob
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The problem with your post is you are expecting everyone to follow gun laws at all times.

Any Law don't anyone from doing anything, it may deter them and that's not even for certain. Making it harder to do or get something make it impossible. If someone wants to do anything, they probably can. Laws exist to serve as protection to the people who are effected by laws being broken. Laws are expected to be broken. Gun laws turn people who potentially would protect themselves into sitting ducks when the law is broken.

Apr 3 2013 5:59PM
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.AR6rider.
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Hey, we've only had them for a little less than 2 months! Give me a break haha. It's hard to get to the range a lot when you have work and your girlfriend doesn't even like the fact that you shoot guns in the first place...she's warming up to it though. Still haven't gotten her to shoot one yet.
Apr 3 2013 6:02PM
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XtRemE11
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the problem is, guns exist, and they always will, there is absolutely no possible way to eliminate them. so you will never know that everyone around you does not have a gun.
80% of gun crimes in the US are gang and career criminal related, and those guys arent going into gun stores and buying traceable guns.

i know its repeated like crazy, but its true, you make it harder for law abiding citizens to acquire guns, you only disarm the people who use them responsibly. it does not do shit to the illegal gun trade and the major source of our gun crime problem.

this brings up another point id like to make.
this is something that really gets on my nerves, remember that treyvon martin shit that was going on last year? one maybe white-ish guy with a concealed pistol killed a black kid who could have attacked him, could have not. its one case of someone with a concealed carry only POSSIBLY using it irresponsibly, but because its a concealed carry, and because you can play the race card, the media, even the government, and even fucking obama got involved.

yet, we never hear about the daily murders of innocent people, who are killed by gang members, using illegally acquired guns, most likely a minority. even thought thats where the huge majority of our gun crime comes from. it might not be race related, and we cant give gun loving republicans shit for it, so nobody covers it or really even cares. even throughout this whole assault rifle/large magazines, etc.. BS that everyones bitching about. you never ever hear about gangs or our illegal gun trade. no, instead we focus on the type of weapon that accounts for less than 2% of our total gun related crime, and who knows how few of those are legally obtained. for who knows what reason. maybe its because we can control it? and we cant control gangs and the illegal gun trade? maybe its because everyone has to be so damn PC about everything and the media/government cant be racist by saying these (for the most part black and mexican) gangs are the real problem?

i honestly dont know why less than 2% of the "problem" is addressed, when 80% of it is so damn obvious and in our faces. seems like its the government and media creating a problem that we dont have, so they can act on it, all the while looking like they are doing something, while gaining even more control over the people.

shits fucked.
Apr 3 2013 6:05PM
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chicken
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I don't KNOW that. but I'm pretty god damn sure a robber looking for money isn't going to kill me if I don't have enough.

I also don't KNOW that a guy using your logic is going to hit his target, or miss and hit someone innocent.

I do KNOW that the chance that a gun will be fired is much much greater if someone is doing it to "protect" themselves, and the chance that the criminal will shoot at me is much higher if I drew a weapon. At that point the criminal is also thinking about protecting his own life. That's when a robbery is most likely to end with someone dying.
Apr 3 2013 6:07PM
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XtRemE11
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i honestly could care less about what the rest of the world thinks, we arent the rest of the world, and i sure as shit dont want to be.

and the "rest of the world" has a very ignorant view on our gun culture and where the real problem is. so theres no reason why id want to listen to them anyways, at least until they understand where the actual problem is coming from here.
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