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Prop 8 and the Defense of Marraige Act

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Mr.Sloth
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Prop 8 (California's ban on same sex marriage) is being argued in the Supreme Court today

The constitutionality of the Defense of Marraige Act is also being contended.

Where does NS stand on this issue? Do you think there will be any short or long term effects of these decisions (other than gay people getting married)?
Mar 26 2013 4:40PM
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Anathema
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pretty much what chris rock says at 0:58


Mar 26 2013 4:46PM
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Mar 26 2013 4:51PM
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Mar 26 2013 4:53PM
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Mar 26 2013 4:56PM
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Karma_Police
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Welp, can't argue with any of these.
Mar 26 2013 5:22PM
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FearlessBlackMan
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Who gives a fuck? You have to be either gay or strongly homophobic to care one way or the other. This country gets divided over the stupidest shit.
Mar 26 2013 5:43PM
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Static
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Niemoler's "First they came.."
Mar 26 2013 5:47PM
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Bogs
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Hopefully someone will bring up the Declaration of Independence and the whole "all men are created equal," and "unalienable rights," and "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" thing. Should clear up the issue pretty quick. Not sure why no one has thought of doing so yet, it seems pretty simple.
Mar 26 2013 5:49PM
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Ben.
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http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/132465114?access_key=key-wm4y8maoho0z5nhqs3r


Transcripts from todays hearings. Ive only read the first 30 pages so far.
Mar 26 2013 5:52PM
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deleted5
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This is america even if you don't like gay people (not saying i don't)you have the right to do what ever you want as long as your not hurting anyone. If your against gay marriage now you most likly would have been against interracial marriage in the 50's-60's.
Mar 26 2013 5:54PM
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Dustin.
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I'm pretty sure all the illegal Mexicans pumping out 15 kids each into the US down here in Texas will more than satisfy our need for reproduction.
Mar 26 2013 5:57PM
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FearlessBlackMan
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That would make sense if the issue was to ban homosexuality. It's not. Nobody is "coming" for the gays.


Mar 26 2013 5:58PM
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Stose
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I believe DOMA should be overturned and same sex marriage left to be a state issue, not national
Mar 26 2013 5:58PM
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FearlessBlackMan
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Marijuana.

Doesn't take very long to invalidate your arguments.
Mar 26 2013 6:01PM
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Mar 26 2013 6:04PM
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Bogs
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Wut? Why does saying "marijuana" invalidate his argument?
Mar 26 2013 6:05PM
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FearlessBlackMan
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Marijuana doesn't hurt anybody, but it is still illegal. It disproves his claim that in America you're allowed to do whatever you want as long it doesn't hurt anybody.


Stupid fuck.
Mar 26 2013 6:06PM
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theabortionator
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Mar 26 2013 6:07PM
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deleted5
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if your drive after smoking a lot you can hurt someone, but im not getting into it with this troll. sorry i should have said you SHOULD be able to.
Mar 26 2013 6:07PM
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.frenchy
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Not trying to be that guy, but I don't really want this bill to get passed.
Mar 26 2013 6:08PM
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yourthemannowdog
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Because of ad hominem and bulverism. That's why.
Mar 26 2013 6:09PM
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FearlessBlackMan
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If you drive while kissing another man, you could hurt someone. Better ban homosexual kissing as well then, huh?

You're so goddamn stupid.
Mar 26 2013 6:09PM
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Bogs
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He didn't "claim" that. Obviously it's not true since gay marriage isn't legal. He believes that. As in he may believe marijuana isn't dangerous and should also be made legal, even if it isn't currently.
Mar 26 2013 6:09PM
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deleted5
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reason?
Mar 26 2013 6:09PM
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-MK-
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Just let people do what they want, if you dont think about it no one will be hurt
Mar 26 2013 6:11PM
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ILLinoisance
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God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!
Mar 26 2013 6:14PM
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Bogs
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Oh, I see. You're an idiot.
Mar 26 2013 6:14PM
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FearlessBlackMan
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Then he's basing his argument on a false premise.
Mar 26 2013 6:14PM
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deleted5
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We live in America that is not a false premise, But you can call me all the names you want, and say the word marijuana as much as you'd like I'm not going to get into it with you.
Mar 26 2013 6:16PM
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Bogs
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America is supposedly the "land of the free." As in people SHOULD be able to do what they want. People being bigoted doesn't change the supposed vision and foundation of a country. Saying that America is supposed to be a place where people can do what they like as long as they are not hurting or endangering others is hardly a false premise
Mar 26 2013 6:17PM
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.frenchy
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OP learn to spell "Marriage" correctly, fuckin' twink.
Mar 26 2013 6:17PM
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FearlessBlackMan
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Good rebuttal. You win this argument.

Hey everybody, if you ever want to win an argument in the future, ignore your opponent's main points and just call him stupid. That'll win you the argument for sure.
Mar 26 2013 6:18PM
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theabortionator
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I'm pretty sure you have to be over 12 to join this site. But keep posting.
Mar 26 2013 6:18PM
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theabortionator
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Children trying to troll is so trendy these days.

Go play cops and robbers or something and leave the internet to the big kids.
Mar 26 2013 6:20PM
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FearlessBlackMan
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Then why are you posting?
Mar 26 2013 6:27PM
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Phil-X-
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Same here
Mar 26 2013 6:29PM
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ILLinoisance
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OWNED.
Mar 26 2013 6:29PM
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Bogs
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Okay, fine. You say gays kissing while driving is dangerous and so you should ban gay kissing all together. You somehow failed to realize that kissing is only dangerous when you drive, and there's already a law for that, careless driving. If a cop sees you driving and making out with the person sitting next to you, you're going to get pulled over. Obviously that doesn't mean there is a need to ban it all together. There. Done with this now, this is supposed to be about gay marriage and you, for some unfathomable reason, are arguing about legalizing marijuana. If you want to keep going, PM me, not going to respond to it again in this thread.
Mar 26 2013 6:35PM
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john7elway
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make sure you guys change your profile pictures!!!
Mar 26 2013 6:36PM
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theabortionator
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Clearly. I can't fight the tears any longer. I'm leaving the internet forever.
Mar 26 2013 6:38PM
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Mr.Sloth
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Okay :(

But really, state your reason why? I have yet to hear an argument that isn't completely preposterous
Mar 26 2013 6:43PM
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FuckAllOfYou
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dey lick da anos and eat da poo poo like ice cream

but seriously if you dislike gay marriage for any of these reasons:
1. gay sex is icky
2. mommy said god hates gay people and they should go to hell
3. it's unnatural, i mean why would your precious evolution create gays? it makes no sense. they had to be brought up that way
4. marriage is a sacred sacrament and gays would rip that apart.

you all need to get out of the bronze age and wake the fuck up

you're just making a fool of yourself
Mar 26 2013 6:43PM
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Mar 26 2013 6:55PM
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Ben.
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What bill to get passed? There is no bill?


SCOTUS is hearing about these two issues, but they are already law. Prop 8 and DOMA both exist.
Mar 26 2013 7:10PM
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HitTheJim
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Marriage in the sense of a sacrament binding two souls for eternity is a religious idea and therefore should have no laws permitting or restricting it.

Marriage in the sense of a legal binding that gives couples legal benefits that simplify their lives should be extended to all people. If it isn't it's discrimination.

In order to render a decision on gay marriage, I believe the court must first define marriage.
Mar 26 2013 7:12PM
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HitTheJim
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That would be an excellent point if the Declaration of Independence had anything to do with the American legal system.
Mar 26 2013 7:16PM
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icon1234
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Yea man because passing this bill would def affect your life right?

Put yourself in their shoes, you find someone you love, you want to spend the rest of your life with them, but legally you cannot get married to them because they happen to be the same gender as you. Now you're not allowed a shit load of legal rights that marriage gives you, and pretty much your life with your partner is a lot more difficult legally than a straight couple.

Pretty sad day we actually have to argue that all Americans in this country deserve the right to be treated equally. In particular after all the inequality (slavery, voting rights, etc) we have overcome we are stuck on this minor issue now? Unbelievable, people will look back on this in 20 years or so and be like wtf were we thinking.

But we can all thank ignorant dbags like this kid who think he is legally superior to certain individuals just because he is straight.
Mar 26 2013 7:18PM
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Bogs
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If only it did, if only it did. If only our laws were made to up-hold the founding principles of our country.
Mar 26 2013 7:21PM
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Mar 26 2013 7:23PM
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HitTheJim
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What's really convenient is that our laws are based on the Constitution which outlines the principles on which our country was founded!
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