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Stanford prison experiment

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wait.what
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Probably one of the most fucked up things I've ever seen. Worth the watch

Mar 19 2013 12:26PM
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theblackrod
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I'll never forget about the Stanford Prison Exp. that screwed some people up
Mar 19 2013 1:55PM
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Tinga
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we were watching this psychology series in intro when I was a freshman that was hosted by Zimbardo. we seriously watched like 5 of these. the whole time I was like I think I've heard of this guy. then on the last episode they talked about the stanford prison experiment. and I was like shit I knew I knew this guy.
Mar 19 2013 1:58PM
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wait.what
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If i were one of the prisoners I'm pretty sure I would have snapped and killed somebody, during or after the experiment.. mind you I think that's why they screened applicants before the experiment
Mar 19 2013 2:17PM
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theabortionator
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psychology is fucking insane sometimes.

What was that one experiment with the younger kids where the teacher made half the class one thing, and half the class something else. Then told the one group they were better than the other group and the whole dynamic changed completely.


Humans are crazy. I find it really interesting though.
Mar 19 2013 2:18PM
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Jeebus.
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Learned about this a while back, crazy how people in power change. Explains Abu Ghraib pretty well though.
Mar 19 2013 2:25PM
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HoneyBadger
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For anyone who saw the show The Colony.. it was somewhat similar..
Mar 19 2013 2:26PM
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JakeAssBeatClap
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Go get therapy you twisted fuck.
Mar 19 2013 2:27PM
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JuliusJ
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No, I know what he's saying though. Really wild experiment. Horrible, but interesting. I probably would have flipped out on the guards too, think of it, neither of you are right/wrong, basically 50/50 chance that you are a guard/prisoner, no rhyme or reason to it. All of a sudden you are either in power and start to abuse it, as this showed, or you are the one being abused. I probably would have fought back at some point and hit a guard.

That being said, you apply it to abu ghraib and it becomes a real life, fucking twisted reality. This sort of thing actually happened. The craziest part about this experiment is it was in a (relatively) controlled environment and when it happened in reality, it did exactly the same thing. Fascinating.
Mar 19 2013 2:49PM
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volvotom
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Thank God there's IRB now.
Mar 19 2013 2:54PM
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wait.what
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I also believe in natural selection.
Mar 19 2013 2:55PM
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TheClap.
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shit happens when you give some fuctards a lil power.

One of my senior thesis was on this, and the video doesn't even do half the justice of how fucked up it was and how fast it progressed
Mar 19 2013 2:59PM
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theabortionator
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It's the weird transition that greys the lines.


They didn't jump right into the worst right at the start. It's that slide into it that creates the problems. Even at the rate it happened it was still incremental. By the time shit gets real you're already so fucked up you aren't yourself.


People so easily say, I would have fucked a guard up. You weren't in that situation. No need to make yourself sound cool. Who knows, maybe you would have hit a guard but you can just assume you would have reacted the way you would like to when you're in a situation that becomes that fucked up.

Mar 19 2013 2:59PM
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wait.what
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Six days am I right? Only reason why they stopped it was because zimbardo's girlfriend was so disgusted by it and told her she wanted nothing to do with him... I think after the guards started forcing sexual things on the prisoners they should have called it quits.
Mar 19 2013 3:01PM
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edai
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It was exactly the same, "The Colony" was directly based off the experiment. If anybodies watched "The Science of Evil" (I think that's the title) by Discovery/NatGeo you'll get a very good insight on the neurological aspects of the experiment. The documentary also does an in-depth interview with Zombardo that a lot of you will find interesting.
Mar 19 2013 3:05PM
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wait.what
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You're forgetting that the "prisoners" did nothing wrong and could have just as easily been a guard, they had no rhyme or reason for being treated like that other than slipping into the role of an authoritative figure.

Saying you would fuck up the guards is a completely fair statement, regardless of whether or not you were in the situation. That's not exactly the type of thing you could get over with as soon as the study is over... You would have some sort of PTSD, knowing you did nothing and were essentially De-humanized. I'm surprised that Zimbardo wasn't murdered following this... simply because of the prisoners mental state (being used to not being treated as an equal individual, having anxious breakdowns, that would bring out a bit of a violent sociopath in some people, I'm assuming)
Mar 19 2013 3:07PM
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Logey.
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Well that was a bit extreme
Mar 19 2013 3:15PM
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edai
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He called it on 5th or 6th day during a "peer assessment" day, where he brought others in to observe. One of the women did in fact tell him he was disgusting and to stop it immediately which was the final notification that he needed to end it. It's also important to note that he absent mindedly took an authoritative position in the experiment, a Hitler like personality if you will. He noticed this while watching video of the "visitor" day when the prisoners family came, the position he placed his hands in was an indication, as well as the fact that he didn't necessarily speak, but just observed.
Mar 19 2013 3:16PM
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JuliusJ
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Oh for sure, I know it wasn't an immediate white to black scenario. It was a gradual breakdown, just saying I think at some point I probably would have snapped. I'm surprised that nobody did in the actual experiment.
Mar 19 2013 3:29PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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this always seemed so bogus to me, I don't feel like it would change me either way, no matter how good they are at pretending you still know its fake and you can stop it whenever. The whole thing just seems silly and since its not real that means the actions carried out aren't really 'real' either. Its just a bunch of role playing carried out by people who are conscious of what their roles are supposed to be and were trying to live up to the most extreme versions of them.
Mar 19 2013 3:31PM
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theabortionator
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Who don't understand the power that basic psychology has.

You tell a person they're special, they feel special and act like it. You tell a person they're worthless, and it starts to become a reality.

Mar 19 2013 3:36PM
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TheClap.
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Its amazing the shit people use to get away with back in the day, just look at the syphilis and gonorrhea experiments on guatemalans in the 40's. shit was nuts, refused treatment and a 100% death wish.

FUCK YA MERICA
Mar 19 2013 3:41PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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no, a teacher tells a student not just to be a guard but to be an oppressive guard and the student obliges. google the 2002 bbc experiment. or basically any criticism and you'll see that the whole process was flawed and the results exaggerated.

Mar 19 2013 3:45PM
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Jblz
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no. maybe thats just your own reality. i dont believe in a lot of psychology theories.
Mar 19 2013 4:02PM
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ThatMNkid
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shit, thats creepy
Mar 19 2013 4:23PM
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freestyler540
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I studied the Stanford experiment in psych class. The professor was more interested in the ethics of experiments than the results. And yes, the experiment ended when the subjects began sexually abusing the inmates. It was a fascinating experiment and it brought huge advances in social psychology. As cruel as the results were, we can now explain the irrational behavior of the most rationnal people you know.
Mar 19 2013 6:03PM
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annex_
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i remember that one. It's like...class divided or something. The teacher split the class into blue eyed kids and brown eyed kids to show how discrimination works.
Mar 19 2013 6:07PM
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rsvp
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another super interesting psych video

Mar 19 2013 6:21PM
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Robski97
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that reminds me of the book the wave. that got so out of hand so quick. Crazy stuff man
Mar 19 2013 6:23PM
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.Jacob
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Both videos in this thread were very interesting and insightful, thanks.
Mar 19 2013 6:42PM
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bnewbs6
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Humans are insane. And awesome. This experiment is creepy, insane, and scary. But it's also super interesting.
Mar 19 2013 6:44PM
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vordulmega
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zimbardo for president
Mar 19 2013 7:23PM
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wait.what
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lost
Mar 19 2013 8:16PM
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JAHpow
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Mar 19 2013 9:15PM
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wait.what
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waiting for your insight
Mar 20 2013 2:37AM
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Masta_Baka
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to lazy to embed but milgrams experiment is even worse. watch this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJEl-7l8TtM

K+ for embedded!
Mar 20 2013 2:50AM
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FERG0
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If anybody wants to know what humans are really like read lord of the flies
Mar 20 2013 3:21AM
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vordulmega
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naaa don't trip, zimbardo's is infamous. unless you mean the findings are worse; thats a whole notha debate, but his methods weren't worse
Mar 20 2013 3:21AM
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skiierman
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The Newschoolers Experiment:


First we took a bunch of pre-teens that all share a passion for the same activity, skiing for example. We then separated the subjects into isolated rooms with only computers as a mean of communications with each other. The computer can only access one site- a site designed specifically around the love they all share for the same activity. The subjects were allowed to create "user names" in order to create the sense of anonymity. We called the site, Newschoolers.

The observations are still inconclusive but preliminary results show that the subjects show a complete turn-around in social behavior within hours of accessing Newschoolers. In person the subjects interacted with general kindness and consideration toward each other, on the site, however, the subjects became increasingly hostile, inconsiderate and overly sensitive. Commonly this hostility lead to threats of violence or of sexually assaulting another subject's female relatives.

While many hypotheses try to explain this phenomena, one theory is gaining popularity among many sociologists and psychologists. That theory suggests that pre-teens, when they're given the power of anonymity, forgo any social pressures and they act in their most natural state; as brainless jackasses.
Mar 20 2013 9:45AM
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Mr.Sloth
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Day 7: It seems that one of the members has lost all sense of conscience or reason, challenging everything another member posts. He should be tagged for further analysis.
Username: Skiierman
Mar 20 2013 9:51AM
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Mr.Sloth
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Day 8: Moderators we appointed to oversee the experiment are displaying behavior similar to regular members.  
Mar 20 2013 10:02AM
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BrewskiJr
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i laughed
Mar 20 2013 10:14AM
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CluckaChuck
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priceless
Mar 20 2013 10:32AM
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Deluge
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Really fucked up but somewhat interesting.
Mar 20 2013 10:52AM
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fragglemuffin
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Anyone who wants to view a cinematic account of it, watch the movie "The Experiment"
Mar 20 2013 11:00AM
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theschneidler
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this is so fucked
Mar 20 2013 11:42AM
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95959
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All this really proves is that Stanford is full of douchers. Go ducks
Mar 20 2013 11:48AM
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ski-racer
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This reminds me of one that was done at Harvard where the professor(I want to say Murphy) made these kids in a class sit through being seriously embarrassed and then made them watch it repeatedly. One of the people that he ran this on was Ted Kaczynski aka the Unabomber.
Mar 20 2013 3:14PM
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wait.what
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wat
Mar 21 2013 2:21PM
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Snowgoner
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i enjoyed this
Mar 21 2013 3:09PM
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