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Shin Bang = Shin Splints?

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CRL
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Just wondering if its the same thing. Both are pretty shitty. Any doctors here who know?
Mar 14 2013 8:45PM
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a_burger
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Was going to make a thread asking the same thing earlier.

I have heard that they are different, but I don't know if it is meant that they are caused by different things (impact vs. backseat landings)
Mar 14 2013 8:51PM
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Crispy.
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buy full tilts
Mar 14 2013 8:53PM
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90053
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no, i'm pretty sure shin splints is a muscle issue (i occasionally get them if i don't stretch my calves enough) altough if it's really bad it puts stress on tendons and can cause tiny fractures , whereas shinbang is bruising your shins due to impact
Mar 14 2013 8:56PM
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Holte
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Well they both affect your dorsiflexors, but are not caused in the same way. So no. Not the same.
Mar 14 2013 8:57PM
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Sillywithmyskis
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What is shin bang? First year skier please no douchey comments
Mar 14 2013 9:07PM
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JTTrembles
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Shin splints are muscle issues.
Mar 14 2013 9:46PM
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stupendous-man
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Mar 14 2013 9:52PM
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Blake.P
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full tilt
Mar 14 2013 10:05PM
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TNORTS
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I read somewhere that shin bang can lead to shin splints if you don't let your shins recover.
Mar 14 2013 10:31PM
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glebgleb
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Talked to a physical therapist, and he said shin splints are in the bone from heavy impact, and the "shin bang" is from leaning too far back and making the leg muscles stretch the wrong way.
Mar 14 2013 11:04PM
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whipple
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i feel shin bang is an impact bruise thing whereas splints are a muscle, strain kinda thing. But anyway does anyone have any tips for treating shinbang after the deed has been done? Just ice and ibueprofen?
Mar 14 2013 11:08PM
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K_JIBS
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This apples to both of these subjects shin band and shin splinters; for me before i go riding i stretch my leg mussels and when riding park try to not backseat and adjust my boots every to hours and when i have a break i loosen them back down but re adjust when riding again once i have had a heavy day shredding nothing life a ice pack on the shins to repair for tommorow plus a good fitting boots helps a lot al theses seem to help me.
Heres a few thing to stop shin bang.
1) http://www.shinshields.com/index.php/home/en
2) http://www.manoove.com
Nov 9 2013 8:11AM
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mski
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feels pretty much the same thats for sure
Nov 9 2013 10:15AM
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cosmic101
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I've had shin splints, they are micro fractures in the shin bone (Tibia) caused by excessive, repeated bending of the bone.
I caused then by landing on the backs of my skies coming of kickers.
The only way to stop them is land properly and if you have them let them heal, which takes weeks.
The same can happen from running on a hard surface.
Nov 9 2013 10:32AM
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E-fry
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mmmm...

I think shinbang and shin splints are the same thing, or very similar. Shinbang is from landing backseat.
Nov 9 2013 1:29PM
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Montana_Hoodrat
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impact bruises = boots are too big, or too stiff.
shin spints = landing backseat and tearing the medial tibial muscle (shin mucle). These are much more painful, and harder to prevent if you're trying new shit on bigger jumps.

Luckily there's treatment. check out my thread about drugs:

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/728617/

just remember to never abuse painkillers, because pain helps remind your body to rest, and it keeps you from injuring yourself more.
Nov 9 2013 1:51PM
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Stainr
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thread makes me cringe
Nov 9 2013 1:55PM
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skier58284
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Completely different. Shin bang is bruises which can result from wearing boots that are too big for you and also from aggressive skiing and lots of drops in general. Shin splints are more internal and can result from things like running a lot without working up to it.
Nov 9 2013 2:00PM
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El.
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Shinbang is just bruising your shin bones against the front of your boot. Shin splints are very different. They are actually a long distance running injury caused by the muscles on the front of your shins separating from the bone. You shouldn't be getting shin splints skiing. Pain there is probably shinbang. Credentials: Runner
Nov 9 2013 2:01PM
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.ZT.
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I had shin splints when I severely bruised my shin bones through shin bang at camp. Lots of ice helped heal my shins.
Nov 9 2013 2:16PM
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Toaster-Tony
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Oh you'll find out, my friend. It's the worst part about skiing.
Nov 9 2013 2:23PM
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KingTaco
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couldnt agree more. I remember when I was 13 years old going way too big for my own good in a pair of salomon performa boots. I landed so far backseat and i was in such shrieking pain I had to sit on a snowmaking pipe and I was so damn close to tears. It was miserable

I really dont know the scientific explanation for it but it definitely has to do with your shin acting as a fulcrum and flexing into the front of the boot when you land backseat. I havent gotten it in like 6 years after switching to some proper dalbello kryptons and stomping shit well. Plus switch landings can provide some good relief too
Nov 9 2013 2:28PM
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El.
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You didn't have shin splints, you had either bruised your shins, or you had destroyed your dorsiflexors by skiing and landing backseat al day. If it's the latter, then you wouldn't want to publicly admit that. The same muscle group (dorsiflexors) are injured by backseat landings, and shin splints, although they are different injuries. One happens from running, one from skiing with lame form. If you ski backseat, then try to ski more forward and see if that fixes it. If you have good form, then look into boots with a better spine or a 45 degree angle buckle that keeps the heel locked in place. These two things are helpful in reducing strain on your dorsiflexors. Try Full-Tilts, Dabellos, or Nordicas.

If the issue is shinbang, then make sure your boots are not too big, the liner is not to packed out, and that it is not loose at the top/without a powerstrap.

Credentials: last year I was getting shin bang, looked this stuff up, I am also a very injury prone distance runner.
Nov 9 2013 2:33PM
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Anchorfilms
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TWO WORDS:

BOOSTER STRAP
Nov 9 2013 2:36PM
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El.
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So thats not actually shinbang, thats fried dorsiflexors. I hate when people confuse these. Shinbang isn't your fault, fried dorsiflexors are. Not blaming you and I know that that was when you were a kid just fyi
Nov 9 2013 2:39PM
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Jon_Taffer
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Jesus Christ does no one know how to spell muscle?
Nov 9 2013 2:42PM
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last_tango
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I don't know whats worse, shin bang or toe bang. You can get rid of that painful black toe by taking a red hot pin through your toe nail and eventually losing your toe nail.
Nov 9 2013 4:26PM
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Gr0mo
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Holy shit, so much misinformation in the thread.

Shin Splints are tiny fractures in the bone in your shin from repeated heavy impacts, usually associated with running.
Nov 9 2013 5:19PM
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Montana_Hoodrat
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wow. I was high when I wrote this, i apologize.

Shin bang = Landing backseat and tearing the medial tibial (shin) muscle.

It can also be caused by bruising from oversize boots, though this is preventable with the proper size boots.

Shin splints are the runner's injury from repeated small impacts. Also shitty to ski with.
Nov 10 2013 12:08AM
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KingTaco
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thanks man im really glad its not my fault

im pretty sure youre actually describing plantar flexion, which happens when you land backseat, and most skiers refer to as shin bang.
Its extraordinarily rare that a boot is actually too big that the shin "bangs" into the front of the boot and bruises. What usually happens is the boot is too big, doesnt provide proper support for a slightly backseat landing, and the lack of the support makes if possible for your shin overextend and to be strained. this is at least what skiers, probably 7 times out of 10 refer to as "shin bang"

at least thats the way I understand it


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Nov 10 2013 6:19PM
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WU-sconsin
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As being one who has experienced both majorly, they are not the exact same thing. I actually get more toe bang than shinbang when I land back seat. But my boots weren't tpp big they were slightly small.
Nov 10 2013 8:46PM
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SFB
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just full tilts.
Nov 10 2013 8:47PM
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Seth.S
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Shin Splits is a pretty general term and could be applied to various injuries - one of which is shin bang
Nov 10 2013 8:49PM
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Anathema
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i look at them differently. shin splints are caused by poor biomechanics. the technical term is medial tibial stress syndrome. it's not affecting the muscle, it's affecting the bone (or periosteum surrounding it) and if it gets really bad can lead to stress fractures. so contrary to popular belief there's nothing happening to your shin muscle.

shin bang is more your muscle being repeatedly stressed. like getting jumpers knee. so if you have a lazy boot, muscle weakness, overuse in a certain area, whatever, you get shin bang.

at least that's my interpretation of shin bang, any way.
Nov 10 2013 8:58PM
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Gnarnerd
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In the past I've got shin splints from both running and skiing. But I'm not sure if the shin splints I got from skiing were the same as "shin bang"
I know that when running is the cause, it is typically due to repetitive shocks from flexing your ankle (like from running downhill a lot) which causes the muscle in front of the shin to separate from the shin. My track coach said you can sometimes check if you really have shin splints by running your finger down your shin: if it feels excessively bumpy that means parts of the muscle are no longer attached to the shin, while some are.
He said this can then lead to the micro-fractures that others were mentioning because the bone is no longer supported by the muscle, and undergoes higher stresses than before.
Landing back seat puts the same sort of stress on the shins as running downhill, and my worst case of shin splints was when I knuckled a jump wayyyyy backseat. Again, not sure if that is the same as shin bang, but I hope this helps
Nov 10 2013 10:54PM
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kootenayklaus
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Land backseat a couple of times in a day and you will find out very quickly.
Nov 10 2013 10:56PM
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HuckNorris44
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Shin splints can also be caused by impacts (i.e running, skiing,) that cause your arch to collapse. It cause overpronation. A good arch support can help but is not fool proof, you can still get shin splints.
Nov 11 2013 5:05AM
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Stainr
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i hear ya, i prefer landing switch any day.
Nov 11 2013 9:44AM
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HuckNorris44
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I might be wrong but i thought you could get shin bag from a boot that is to stiff. Instead of the boot flexing with you leg, it causes your leg to abruptly stop and bruises the shins. I know there are other ways but is a boot to stiff something other than shin bang?
Nov 11 2013 2:18PM
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Crispy.
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I guess no one liked my sarcasm;(
Nov 11 2013 5:15PM
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Scotty_Boy
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Can shin bang snap your lower legs if it is bad enough?
Nov 11 2013 10:01PM
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Anathema
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yeah, but thats why i said poor biomechanics. pronation or hip internal rotation is just a problem with your you're moving. it's not like repeated stress to something fully functioning, like shin bang can be. you get shin splints strictly because somethign to do with your movement pattern is off. more often yes it's the ankles but it can often be from the hip. hip flexors and tfl over worked, external rotators weak, knees cave in, you cross over the midline (or rub your feet or knees together when you step), squat with awful alignment, etc.
Nov 11 2013 10:05PM
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HuckNorris44
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Couple things i found that really helps is, first, take some dixie cups, fill them with water and freeze them. These you can take anywhere and rub them on your skin a couple times a day for about 15 minutes each time. Second, take a towel and lay it flat on the ground. With your feet laying flat on the ground at the edge of the towel, take your toes and pull the entire towel toward you without lifting up your feet. Pretty much use just your toes to bunch the towel up. Then repeat by unbunching the towel. I dont know why this helps but it feels good.
Nov 12 2013 3:20PM
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El.
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Right. when you land backseat, you experience plantar flexion. In order to bring your body upright, you use your dorsiflexors. This brings your feet into dorsiflexion, which is where they are supposed to be. So i'm referring to plantar flexion wearing out ones dorsiflexors.

We are both right
Nov 13 2013 12:23AM
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Mikesauce
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Maybe someday
Nov 13 2013 12:36AM
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