Park Designers, I got a question

i think u would need at least 30 footer in your park..believe it or not..it is easier to learn tricks on 30 footer than..smaller ones..just make landing part huge....and...kicker to shoot up high..instead of the distance









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Being out there skiing every day, good or bad, just playing around with friends, with no contests or filming- that is the real spirit of skiing for me. that is why i started skiing, and if i lose those moments that is what will make me stop skiing.

Remember, high kicks tend to knock beginners out of whack when they take to the air. Jumps that really shoot you out aren't the best idea for beginners.

I'd go with standard tables and cheesewedgers for the bigger stuff.

As far as measurements go... I don't think many park designers hang out on the site much. I guess you could try calling places... But look at magazines, jumps with people around them, use them as a basis for getting measurements and angles. I'd suggest you be there when they physically make the stuff too, just so you can do the final tweaks and make sure things are solid.
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agreed..but.like..once u got 3...or something like that...you need high kicks..to learn flips and shit









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Being out there skiing every day, good or bad, just playing around with friends, with no contests or filming- that is the real spirit of skiing for me. that is why i started skiing, and if i lose those moments that is what will make me stop skiing.

^Word. Just make them gentle for the children's sake! haha, although a gnarly graduated like to a 38 degree lip would be sweeeeet. Agree BS?
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make it 70 degree...so..they would go around the orbits...doing...cork1000000000000000020









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Being out there skiing every day, good or bad, just playing around with friends, with no contests or filming- that is the real spirit of skiing for me. that is why i started skiing, and if i lose those moments that is what will make me stop skiing.

clear the entir hill to get enough speed for a 150 footer.. then all the small kids would have been eatin shit and quit coming to the mountain so the older and more experienced riders could practice in the park all alone... just kidding...think youre plan sounds good..! :D
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getting anythign that'll have a big kick is out of the question (ski area politics and a VERY well known head patroler who does not like jumps period). Plus, we only have a little trail set aside, so big landings, are out too.

I thought Cannon's Park designer used to be on here a bunch before, and there were a few more, so hopefully they still are. But either way I was thinking that the top of a 10-15 foot table would be about 5 feet (maybe a little more), a 20 foot step down (because of the mini-skiers at the area) would probably be only about a 3-4 foot kicker. So that should give you some ideas what I'm looking at so far.

Again, I have to play a little political here too, and can't go overboard as I'm trying to correct the mistakes made last year in the park and prove that the park is a valuable asset to the area.

A big thing I'm trying to focus on is smooth take offs and landings, especially with so many little kids, and ways to prevent damage to the jumps for the munchins that don't even make it up the ramp, or just roll over the lips (you wouldn't believe how major a problem this has been in the past).

I guess I should bring my camera to K-Rock this weekend and see what they have set up so far. But keep the ideas coming.


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Well, since your playing politics here and have alot on the line, look at this way.

Even pro park designers don't nail it the first time. Tell them that you have rough numbers that you think will work great, but its going to take a few hits to really get a sense of how the jump is working, then get in there with shovel and prove your salt. Remember, part of a park is DEVELOPMENT, the other part is maintenance... Good luck to you.
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just so you know..the lenght of a snow cat is 18ft (just the tracks). So basically any jump under 20ft in lenght is very difficult to build and next to impossible to maintain. Jumps 20-25ft can be maintained on a regular basis with a cat which leads to a more consistant quality over a period of time. Jumps any smaller than that you pretty much rebuild from scrath every night and they end up taking more cat time than those atleast 20-25ft long. 30ft(or larger) really is the optimal size for easy or construction and nightly grooming. 30ft is a good size to shoot for because it benefits the most number of riders and it's easy on the equipment and operator to buld. if you have any questions hit me up info@project-snow.com www.project-snow.com

try get a 60footer there for when u get bored off everything else, coz they can get a bit boring sometimes

talk to stu epps he comes on this site alot

i think you should ask locals what THEY want in THEIR park.
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you should have a few little boxes for the kiddies to learn on

yeah we already have a couple small flat rails, and a rainbow rail too, and I've talked to the management and they are looking to buy a couple boxes and possibly another rail or 2. It also looks like they may be down for covering a picnic table too. But the problem I'm gonna have is fitting everything. I'm trying to have the park expanded into two areas, but I'm not sure they are going to be down for taking that much terrain (the second park would take away a couple racing lanes - which is not likely at my little area). Also, I am a local at my area, as well as a fairly respected employee, but the problem is that the locals want WAY more in a park than I'll be able to convince the management to allow.


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a 40 foot jump is the best size I think
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a couple years ago me and some friends built a nice little booter and we made a death trap behind ( huge deep hole) cuz we knew little kids were gonna come and hit it as they always do and they usually go like 1mph and some little kid fell right into and broke his collar bone




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When you build a jump, make sure you use tape. Go to the lift maintenance guys at your mountain, they will have special 100' tape measures designed for measuring tower height. They might be a little attached to their tape, so make sure you tell them you'll give them your first born child if you don't bring it back.

If you want to make a 20' jump, make sure to make it 20' exactly. From takeoff to good landing. It's really easy to screw it up if you're building at night or in blinding snow... Steps don't work, because you always way under-estimate. I've ended up with 68' jumps that we stepped out at 55'.

If you want the jumps to rut out less, build the takeoffs as wide as possible. That way there's more to hit.

If you have room, try to plow a cat access point around the takeoff, so he doesn't have to break your nicely shaped takeoff to groom the ruts out of the landing. This is much easier on bigger jumps, as the cat is 16' wide at it's smallest. When they're grooming the takeoffs if you don't have an access point, make sure they backblade, then till the takeoff. (filling in any ruts) then do the landing without breaking the takeoff down. As someone else said, make your jumps less kicky. Don't make floaters, because people will overshoot the landings. Spinals are no fun for anybody.

Oh, and TRUST me... Leave 16' between everything. Space your features out from each other and from the trees. If a cat can't get through there, the ruts will stay every day, and get so bad you can't fix them.

Finally, make decks for your rails, so they will have landings. This SERIOUSLY decreases your bombholes throughout the day. Less digging.

Make sure your park staff aren't afraid to use their shovels and be creative.




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um well if your tryin 2 convince management that a park will increase profits, only small jumps will not do... u need 2 make at least 1 good sized hit for the locals and it will attract more people... just think no more ppl are goin 2 come 2 your mt if there are hits with a max size of 20 feet.. and if you need measuremants 4 anything, breckenridges web site shows all the angle measures for all of the jumps so that mire help... what mt are you talkin about building??
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build step over style jumps...they are the safest and if you come short you are not gonna get wrecked...you can still go big on them too and have little impact





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As your money feature, build a jump that is like 30-35' with smooth as silk mellow kick. Like 3-4 foot stepdown, and at least 12' wide. You can learn any trick up to 5 on that with good style.

Landings are really sick at 30' Any higher, and it starts to get really steep. When you're in the 20's it's kinda flat.

Also, when you groom the landings, the knoll is constantly pushed down to the bottom of the landing as the cat's tracks slide. If your mountain has a winch cat, park one cat at the top, hook on, and add the snow from the toe of the landing back to the knuckle. You'll have to re-build your takeoff, but it will make your landing longer and steeper. If you want to be a real nerd, then get a clinometer (some fancy cats have them) and put it on the flat spot to the left of the passengers seat. Measure the whole landing, and try to get it as consistent as possible. Do this once every two weeks and your landings will be way better.

Plus, it breaks the ice up(if you're cat driver is good) and will make your landings a bit less crazy.




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