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My teachers are on strike

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swanson212
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Well it's day 2 of the Strongsville high school strike. Yesterday was fucking nuts but its a little better now. Sucks for me because I have to go to school an hour early so some moron can attempt to teach physics. Then I go to ap calc where I sit in the library for an hour and a half because they don't have a teacher for it. Not tryin to complain but there is absolutely no reason for me to go but yet attendance is being enforced so if I have to go if I want to graduate. O and apparently anonymous is tweeting about us. So that's good.
Mar 5 2013 11:10AM
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2_fadez
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I have respect for teachers, but there are loads of shitty ones and guess what! they'll never lose their fucking jobs!
Unlike the real world where shitty employees get fired!
Being a teacher is pretty much the best job security you can have, and it includes some of the best healthcare you'll get.
Give me an example of a teacher at your school being fired (not sent to a different part of the school system, but actually losing their job). It never happens.
Mar 5 2013 7:34PM
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Ben.
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Tenure sucks. I dont disagree with that. It is becoming a bit easier though.
Mar 5 2013 7:41PM
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esotericjive
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I overheard a few teachers at my school complaining about pay and whatnot. Got curious, found this http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/new-york/teacher-salary-in-port-washington-union-free-school-district/
I was impressed, turns out some teachers are well paid
Mar 5 2013 7:55PM
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EmperorKuzco
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Mar 5 2013 8:00PM
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Elmo.
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some areas teachers make nothing and some make a decent amount
my towns high school teachers average like 75k. some might be lucky to get 40k.

if teachers need to strike cuz the extra little bit of money will help. fine. just get it solved quickly.
its about education and both sides need to remember that.
Mar 5 2013 8:19PM
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EmperorKuzco
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I concur mike
Mar 5 2013 8:57PM
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deleted5
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not after you pay 300,000$ and take a decade to learn how to do it.
Mar 5 2013 9:01PM
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deleted5
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http://degreedirectory.org/articles/What_is_the_Average_Annual_Salary_for_Paramedics.html

Emergency Medical Services (JEMS) found that in 2008 the average annual salary range of Paramedics in the U.S. was $32,909.20-$41,809.34. Schools offering Emergency Medical Technician degrees can also be found in these popular choices.
Mar 5 2013 9:07PM
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easy.steezy
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Your logic is hilariously stupid, the amount of schooling and hard fucking work it takes to be a doctor is tenfold that of a teacher. The average person can be a teacher, however, the average person CANNOT be a doctor, engineer, etc.
Mar 5 2013 9:10PM
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JeremyClarkson
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Agreed.

Teachers have been paying out the wazoo into the their own system for a degree that would MAYBE earn a  him/her a decent living one day. Oh, but wait, they're getting paid pretty much the same as the garbage collectors. Exept a garbage collector doesnt have to worry about paying off tens of thousands in debt.

Mar 5 2013 9:17PM
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TOAST.
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she would come into school smelling like alcohol, fell asleep under her desk in the middle of the day with her door locked. Was fired.
Mar 5 2013 11:02PM
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steep
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So there was this band teacher at the middle school I went to. Just kids trying to play instruments they had no clue how to play.

Over about 3 years she received so many parent complaints it was insane.

Small list of what she did -
Threw a music stand at a kid for no apparent reason.
Refused to teach the kids who were beginners and selectively taught the few good ones.
Called kids "incapable at living life" / "going no where with there life" / "the kids who turn into nothing"
Refused to allow students to go to the bathroom or nurse (mind you, these classes were about 70 minutes).
Called kids stupid and dumb.
Made a claim of students trying to poison her.
And the list goes on.

Total bitch

No threat of ever loosing her job or being suspended. Just bullshit.
Mar 5 2013 11:19PM
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DasGoatenshafter
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Teachers have just as much right to strike as any other professional does. Teachers work way more unpaid hours than people give them credit for, they have to go through at least five years of post secondary education, and are often times have a great impact on the social development of a child in addition to teaching them a subject.

Both of my parents are teachers and they are some of the hardest working people I know. To say teachers are overpaid is outrageous. They have been the butt of salary freezes, their benefits constantly get reduced and they have to fight with the administration to get anything done.

They used to have the respect of pupils parents and of the community, and there is no reason for that to have changed. Teachers work hard to get their contract, and should be compensated for the work that they do before the classroom, in the classroom, and after the classroom. My dad runs four bands, my mum coaches a ski team and takes a bunch of immature twits on school trips (which is the farthest thing from a vacation) and they have to deal with anti teacher policy all the time.

They are there to teach, not to be popular with teenagers. You might not like them, but without high quality teachers, and an incentive to keep high quality teachers, the future generations are going to be lost.
Mar 5 2013 11:20PM
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DasGoatenshafter
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Also, I know that the teachers in Ontario weren't on strike because of pay. They were on strike because there was legislation attempting to remove their right to collective bargaining. Basically the right to strike and the right to their union. Which is absurd and illegal.
Mar 5 2013 11:22PM
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deleted5
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I think you completely misread my post. I was implying doctors do that schooling. I don't know any teacher that took 10 years to get a degree, or has anywhere near 300,000$ of debt.
Mar 5 2013 11:26PM
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DasGoatenshafter
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Ok put this in perspective. To be an engineer, you need an undergrad, and you have a degree, then to be a p.eng you need some internship hours which you are paid for. You make probably 20-50 000 more than a teacher. A teacher can have the same degree, plus teachers college and make less. You also have to consider how much of the salary is syphoned by union fees, taxes, and pension. That stuff THEY pay for, as well as getting help from the employer. The teacher will have just as much, if not more debt than an engineer, and has officially the same type of degree, but will take longer to pay off debt.
Mar 5 2013 11:31PM
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deleted5
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Why the fuck would you go to school to be an engineer if you want to be a teacher. If you do that you're stupid and I'm glad you're poor.
Mar 5 2013 11:33PM
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deleted5
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I missed typed that Why would you go to school like an engineer knowing you're gonna be a teacher.
Mar 5 2013 11:35PM
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Gods_Father
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these "people" do not even know what a master's degree is lol
Mar 5 2013 11:37PM
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DasGoatenshafter
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I'm in chem eng. But the point is, a chemical engineering degree is a four year undergraduate study, which grants you a Bachelor of Applied Science in Chemical Engineering upon completion. You can also get a Bachelor of Science in the same amount of time for similar tuition. So now, you can imagine once that is done, you have spent just as much as an engineer, but now must pay for teachers college, while not getting paid, and now the price has gone up much much more. Consider a world without teachers... consider a world without bridges. No engineer can become an engineer without a good teacher. You won't get a good teacher unless you pay them enough that they won't want to say "fuck teaching" and become an engineer.
Mar 5 2013 11:37PM
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DasGoatenshafter
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Many teachers have masters degrees. Don't be stupid.
Mar 5 2013 11:38PM
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deleted5
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First of all I don't know where you're getting this engineering argument I said Dr. I really don't know anything about engineers schooling or how much they make. As a teacher you know what you're getting yourself into. So therefore you should know not to build up $300,000 worth of debt my sisters a substitute teacher and I have a friend who teaches in Colorado. I know my sister has about $15,000 of debt coming out of school and has paid most of it off. So again I really don't know what your argument has to do with my post.
Mar 5 2013 11:41PM
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Gods_Father
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wat? i know that, little johnny. i'm saying why would anyone get a master's degree if they're not going to make $...lol don't be stupid
Mar 5 2013 11:50PM
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DasGoatenshafter
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Ok, so a doctor has an undergraduate and an M.D. A teacher with a masters degree, an undergraduate and teachers college has done the same amount of school, and still is at least 20 000 (if not more) behind in annual salary. Same amount of school, someone still gets the short end of the stick.

The same argument applies though, that we can't have doctors without teachers who are willing to be there and teach. You need to pay professionals a professional salary. And ask your sister about how hard it is to get permanent contract work. A huge amount of teachers leave the profession in the first five years because there market is flooded. The way to fix this problem is to make it harder to be a teacher... in order to do that they have to pay them better. The entire education system is a mess right now greatly because of the lack of respect for the teaching profession.

In the end, no one is complaining about the salaries of doctors or engineers or any other profession that requires a university education, so giving teachers a hard time is unreasonable and unfair. If you can't see and appreciate that, and how essential teachers are to society, you really didn't pay enough attention in school, and should hope that there are better teachers on the way so your offspring aren't as ignorant as yourself.
Mar 5 2013 11:53PM
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Ben.
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lolerskating all over the place.
Mar 5 2013 11:53PM
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DasGoatenshafter
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They get paid more, but is disproportional to other professionals of the same education. Its the ongoing theme of nearly everything I say. If you're a teacher already, it makes sense to get a masters degree for the pay boost because you're already on contract and there's no point in finding a different job and starting from square one. A masters degree also doesn't guarantee a great salary no matter what field you're in.
Mar 5 2013 11:55PM
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Gods_Father
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no fucking shit, bud lolllll thanks.
Mar 6 2013 12:01AM
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joshc97
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So many of these people don't know what they're talking about. Starting salaries for highschool teachers are around 30-35 k a year. They might be making 50 k if they're lucky by the time they are ready to retire. My mom is a HS teacher and the health insurance is now shit. It used to be decent, but they made them switch and it's awful. My mom gets to school every morning around 7:30 and leaves around 5:00 and still has to correct papers and stuff at home till even later.
Mar 6 2013 12:05AM
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deleted5
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i don't think i have ever read anything more wrong and incorrect on this site HOLY SHIT. no a doctor needs an undergrad, med-school and a residency then if you want to be a specialist you need to do a fellowship. if you want to be an ER doc you need 12 years of school. 4 undergrad 4 medical school and up to 4 ER residency (sometimes 3). you are wrong
Mar 6 2013 12:06AM
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Arabian
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As someone who's going to be teaching next year, 90% of Teaching graduates are under-prepared, useless, idiotic excuses for human beings who get into the profession because they want to "like, help other people and kids, man." The sad truth is, we could weed these people out if we upped the standards of teaching, but even to be a Middle School teacher, the highest math you must take is business calculus (re: calc for retards and business students), and most graduate within 3 years. Introduce tenure, introduce some form of competition that forces teachers to uphold the standards, and we'd actually have some sort of wage that we could justify paying them. Right now, they're worth every penny, and not a dollar more.
Mar 6 2013 12:22AM
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DR.SHRED
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boom! well put
Mar 6 2013 12:44AM
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db21
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Teachers here in alberta start at 60000 a year and any ones who have been working for 15 years plus or so make about 90000 so not terrible by any means and they may be going on strike soon as well. I mean i don't know exactly what about but the teachers and gov are going at it hard right now.
Mar 6 2013 12:48AM
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2_fadez
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jesus christ
Mar 6 2013 1:15AM
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pigglywiggly
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they knew what kind of salaries they were going to earn when attaining their education degree in college...dont know why is such a surprise to them. if you're not happy with 40-60k a year, then too damn bad. Should've decided that in college and worked harder for a better degree.
Mar 6 2013 1:15AM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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It's an early taste of college: the teachers don't help at all, and you learn everything from the book.
Mar 6 2013 1:16AM
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db21
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yeah i'd agree its fair. i think the tories are trying to make it so they won't get any pay raises for a long time and the teachers are pretty chapped about that. don't quote me i could be wrong but that is my understanding of it
Mar 6 2013 1:54AM
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Drail
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The teachers in Ontario went on strike when I first went into high school. My summer got extended for three weeks because of the strike. The first time I ever smoked pot was during that strike. Best 'introduction' to high school ever.


For those of you saying that teacher strikes are bad because it hurts the students and that learning is important, future this and education that, blah blah blah. One day you guys will realize that you don't actually learn anything important in high school. Hell, I've never been to college but I'm pretty sure everything you learn there you just learn again while at your job (if you actually even get a job in the same field you went to school for). Life has a funny way of working itself out so I wouldn't stress so much about it. All that is important is getting a good grade on your tests, and if the teachers are on strike, they can't prepare you for the next test and therefor you aren't actually missing out on anything.

If you don't agree with me, I guess you are just like the teachers who are striking so you should probably side with them because they are doing something to try and change a situation that they are in but don't like. Weird how that works eh?
Mar 6 2013 2:32AM
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deleted5
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one day we wont need them
Mar 6 2013 2:34AM
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TheUngroomed
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I agree with most of this.... buuut.. my moms a teacher and she leaves school at 5 every day, they dont get paid during summer, she gets beat on my parents because there kids are retarded... there's alot of shitty shit that goes on that most people dont notice that teachers have to deal with

Mar 6 2013 2:41AM
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-AM-
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Why don't you just get your parents to call you in sick?
Mar 6 2013 11:47AM
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VT_FLO
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If doctors made less money the would never be able to pay off student loans. Also there is a shortage of doctors (that is only going to get worse as baby boomers retire, HELLO rationing healthcare) and the schooling is absolutely brutal. so basically for doctors Demand >>>>>>>>>supply.

But for teachers, especially primary school teachers there is nowhere close to a shortage. there is actually an excess. Schools have over 1000 people apply for 1 teaching job on some occasions. Supply>>>>>>>>>>>>Demand
Mar 6 2013 11:52AM
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fortyvalve
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okay i spent 4 years at the same high school. in those 4 years 3 teachers had been fired. one of them was for almost assaulting a kid by smacking him on the back to wake him up in class, then proceeding to yell a bunch of pretty bad stuff at him. another was for sexual harassment. those WILL get you fired as a teacher no questions asked
Mar 6 2013 12:08PM
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swanson212
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Ya some teachers at my school were making upwards of 80 grand but they were unhappy with that I guess
Mar 6 2013 12:53PM
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swanson212
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Update: a middle school teacher was arrested for blocking the exit. An elementary school teacher was hit by a car and hospitalized. It was a hit and run, car jumped the curb, nasty stuff. Lots of douschebagery from both the board and the teachers. Some students are organizing a protest in front of the board building for 7 tonight. The good news is I don't have to come in next week for ogt testing so looks like my spring break just got bumped to 2 weeks.
Mar 7 2013 11:05AM
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suggamuggafugga
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The teachers at my school took away all the extra-curriculars because of the union. This got the skii team cancelled :(
Mar 7 2013 11:45AM
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Dustin.
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Are you seriously trying to compare the level of expertise, money, and effort required to get any kind of MD directly to teaching high school students algebra? Please....it's simple economics. They get paid according to their value, and the value of an expertise in something college freshman could teach well is incredibly low.
Mar 7 2013 12:08PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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Well doctors don't have the right to strike, so what are you saying?
Mar 7 2013 4:10PM
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Casey
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A doctor can try to renegotiate the terms of his employment whenever he feels like, hes just not in a union (maybe theres a doctors union somewhere i have no idea) but a one man strike is called quitting your job last i checked
Mar 7 2013 5:38PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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Exactly. Doctors aren't allowed to unionize, and a one man strike is just quitting.
Mar 7 2013 5:41PM
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deleted5
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is it really a strike if you don't work there again?
Mar 7 2013 5:45PM
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