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Spins on rails.

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dirtymike
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So I think i have got the hang of rails, or at least some easier ones. I would like to try to lean spins off rails but not quite sure how. I know it has something to do with trying to get some sort of catch or friction on the rail but not sure. ANY TIPS?
Feb 25 2013 1:52AM
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dirtymike
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What kinds of skis?

Feb 25 2013 1:52AM
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boo10159
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Drop your heel. If you spin left grinding right foot forward you drop your back heel and vise versa kinda thing
Feb 25 2013 1:54AM
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dirtymike
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So should I just lean that heel down more?

Feb 25 2013 1:59AM
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johnnyBuz
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Yah I'd like some clarification here as well. Do you drop the heel of the leading foot regardless of whether you want to FS or BS 270 out?

I slide left foot forward and for some reason I think a BS 270 out would be easier for me. So with that setup, am I dropping my left foot heel down, digging in and using that force to spring off and spin myself to the right?
Feb 25 2013 2:29AM
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Washow
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dropping the heel on the front foot makes you spin down to the slope and dropping the toe spins you to the opposite direction
Feb 25 2013 2:31AM
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Stickity
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for your front foot, drop your toes for blind and your heel for front

backfoot is opposite but not as important and kinda just happens, but don't be lazy with it or you'll drag your edge and fall on your face
Feb 25 2013 3:54AM
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Most-D
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Are you Dirty Mike and the Boys?
Feb 25 2013 4:19AM
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jwv
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You might have to join the Trick Tip Cult to see this, but it's an awesome guide to rail tricks: https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/cult/forumthread/thread_id/575892/
Feb 25 2013 7:30AM
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AGallant
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For a FS spin out, you would want to drop your right foot heel, which will help you spin out.
For a BS spin out, you would want to drop your toe on the opposite side of the rail, causing you to spin out BS.
Feb 25 2013 8:52AM
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c-fries
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The harder you you set that edge (dropping the heel like everyones talking about), the better grip you'll have on the rail and the easier it will be to spin off the rail. Tis all about commitment
Feb 25 2013 9:25AM
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boo10159
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Drop your rear heel
Feb 25 2013 9:39AM
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EvanMeyer
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Feb 25 2013 9:51AM
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FroesenSkeeze
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Explains it well. Also, make sure you pop off the rail. If you just kinda surface swap off the rail, you're gonna have a bad time. Trust me hahaha.
Feb 25 2013 10:15AM
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johnnyBuz
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Thanks man. So if normally your toes are pointed up for grip, for a BS at the last second you would have to change course and drop the toes down while digging the lagging heal in?
Feb 25 2013 11:01AM
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dirtymike
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Oh shit he's on to us... run!
Feb 25 2013 4:34PM
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dirtymike
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Thanks that helps a lot!
Feb 25 2013 4:35PM
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VersaceCockring
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Good stuff in here
Feb 25 2013 4:50PM
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LukasSchroeder
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Think so....
Feb 25 2013 5:56PM
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zapadelic
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For front If the rail is flat and decently high up I find it easier to not think about it and just pull my knees up and turn but that's just for flat
Feb 25 2013 6:04PM
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JakeBarrett
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If you want to do a blind 270 out, lift up your front foot's heel and scrape your inside edge on the outside of the rail/box.
Feb 25 2013 6:33PM
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kkupferr29
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I hit the rail with left foot first, but I also spin to the left. Any suggestions?
Feb 26 2013 3:49PM
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Stickity
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you sort of have to learn the timing on your own. when i back swap i dig immediately and use the small amount of momentum from popping onto the rail to help with the swap. for bs 2 off i put a small amount of pressure on my toes and keep my shoulders parallel to the rail then scissor hard and pop at the end of the rail. popping is essential as froesenskeeze said
Feb 26 2013 3:56PM
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CheddarJack
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When I started doing spins off, I honestly didn't think about my feet. I just wound up my arms and spun myself off. Then I noticed that my feet were doing what they should be doing so then I could work from there to grip more
Feb 26 2013 5:05PM
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JakeBarrett
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focus on the front 2s then. It'll be easier to initiate the spin if you are used to spinning to the left

Feb 26 2013 6:43PM
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L.G.P.
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after you master the front two and back two both ways, the tricks are basically endless when it comes to rails
Feb 26 2013 7:07PM
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johnnyBuz
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Can't wait to get there. Hopefully there is still snow on the ground when I get back from Spring Break on the 10th.
Feb 26 2013 8:27PM
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J-Wile
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Somebody should settle this an make a in depth video explaining how. It would help hundreds of newschoolers, and when threads like this come up just post the video. I too am having trouble with spins off. Whenever I dip my toe and spin, the nose of my ski hits the rail coming back up from the scissor.. Kinda hard to explain

Anyway, anybody who wants to make a video, it would be MUCH appreciated.
Feb 27 2013 10:18AM
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Peachbutt
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Did you guys learn front switch-ups or 270 off first? I just got my first switch-up yesterday and a 270 off would be my next step if it's not that hard
Feb 27 2013 1:21PM
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stupendous-man
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My learning curve: Boxes < Rails < front swap on box < front 2 out on rail < front 2 out on box < switchup on rail < blind 2 out on rail
Feb 27 2013 1:27PM
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johnnyBuz
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I don't know why I didn't think to try a switch up on a box first. I've been avoiding boxes ever since I learned to slide rails but this seems like a pretty logical place to learn.
Feb 27 2013 3:54PM
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Stickity
Posts: 7750 - Karma: 769
scissor harder, faster, and closer to the end of the rail if you're doing a blind 2. MAKE SURE YOU POP OFF! HARD! if you top too late and don't lift your tips then you'll catch almost every time. another way to think about it is after popping, keep your tails low
Feb 27 2013 4:02PM
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dirtymike
Posts: 28 - Karma: 142
Good stuff right there
Feb 27 2013 6:10PM
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Peachbutt
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I probably would've tried on a mailbox rail first honestly, boxes feel really weird under my feet for some reason. But my mountain has an a-frame box that's so nice for trying new shit
Feb 28 2013 2:22PM
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