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Touring On Caylors

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vermontana
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So I am looking to buy a touring setup towards the end of the year. I'm replacing some 2010 JJ's and I have been browsing NS frequently and the general consensus seems to be that the Caylor is an amazing ski for what I am looking for. I'm currently looking at the 191, and hoping to put Salomon Guardians on them. I would like to be able to ski them on lift-terrain about half the time, and sidecountry/bc the other half. I'd consider myself an expert skier and would like to be able to stomp big cliffs and spin/flip some pretty good size booters with them. I am 6,0 and 175 lbs, but still likely to grow and gain weight.

Input, Thoughts? +K for helpful insight.
Feb 14 2013 12:22AM
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josefe
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This would possibly be one of the heaviest touring set ups ever. If you are just skinning up to boosters and what not you won't have much of a problem with it but if you are doing any real touring you may want a ski with a little less tail rocker. I've got a set of 191 caylors mounted with jesters and a set of 192 jag sharks mounted with guardians. They feel like they are about the same weight which is heavy.
Feb 14 2013 12:33AM
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vermontana
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Most likely not gonna be doing any all day tours or stuff like that, mostly sidecountry off my resort probably, but does the tail rocker affect skinning performance a lot?
Feb 14 2013 12:45AM
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jca
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im on 191 caylors with dukes for a touring rig used mostly for side country/shortish tours. While they're heavy as fuck, it doesnt stop me from from doing the longer 3-4 hour tours. im a bit smaller than you but i also have never skied a truly light touring set up so im willing to add a few minutes to my up time to have more fun on the down.
Feb 14 2013 1:25AM
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Session
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There are/were a LOT of dudes touring in the Hood area with Caylors.
Feb 14 2013 10:46AM
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profa_212
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i think ON3P offers a Caylor light for touring....may want to look into that. not quite sure though....
Feb 14 2013 11:00AM
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arammell
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I have 191 BG's with dukes and they tour just fine.  They're heavy on the way up, but heaven on the way down. 
Feb 14 2013 12:00PM
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Blake.P
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Unless you are doing full day/ multiple day trips, it shouldn't be an issue for slackcountry. Just hit the gym before to build up your legs and you'll be good
Feb 14 2013 12:22PM
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josefe
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The rockered tail is more of an issue when traversing or billy goating around. If you are on a steep skin track on hard snow they can be an issue also. You will just get less bite out of your skins.
Feb 14 2013 5:14PM
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vermontana
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Bump. Any other opinions?
Mar 24 2013 2:55PM
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VD.
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I've used my Caylors for some touring for the past two seasons, started off using trekkers then I moved over to Barons. Whilst I should have gone with dukes, I went with barons to try and save on weight. However this was a bad move as I broke my barons in just under a season, I manged to take them of the rail on one side as well as putting a crack, the length of the front plate. I think the thing to take away from this experience is, if you're going to go for a heavy AT set up, do it properly.

As for the actual touring performance on the Caylors, they're bearable. Despite using trekkers at one point, I have done day tours on my Caylors. So I can say whilst they aren't the lightest and they don't have the flattest of tails, they work, and for a slackcountry set up that's all you need them to be able to do. If weight is a big issue, I suppose you could contact the ON3P shop and see if they could do a tour lay up Caylor, there probably wouldn't be any lying around, it would be in the realms of semi-custom. However there is a guy on here who's got a pair of Jefferey tours so I assume Caylor tours may be a possibility.
Mar 24 2013 4:01PM
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[J_Gasper]
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Caylor Lite is for smaller riders i think. Nothing to do with touring. Dont take my word on it though
Mar 24 2013 10:33PM
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pow_pow~
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i have a pair of 191 caylors mounted with trackers, so the exact same set up as youre looking at.

i put two days on them with a 2-3 side country hike at whistler each day, and then another two days inbounds on pow days.

it was my first touring set up (wasnt even meant for proper touring, just got the trackers to give me that option) so i cant really compare the weight, but it was completely fine for me.


i just tore my acl in the park so im actually thinking about selling this, with only 4 days on it because i wont use them for the rest of the year because aus doesnt get enough snow.

hit me up with a message if youre keen and i can send you pics and whatnot, obvious deal for an nser.
Mar 24 2013 11:21PM
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pow_pow~
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sorry thought this was in the van/whis thread
Mar 24 2013 11:21PM
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Moosen
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Okay just did a little binding switcharoo. Now i am running my 191 caylor lites with some marker tour f12's. Definitely a great option for us lighter guys. the tour f12 is lighter than the sth I had on my ski and I am loving it. Highly highly recommend if you dont want a heavier set up like the baron or duke.
Mar 24 2013 11:53PM
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zahava
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If you have saga I've definitely seen your riding on Whis, should have called you out.

I tour on bibby's and barons and they're fine, a little heavy but I only notice it when I have a 30-40 pound camera bag as well My friend's on 191 live frees with dukes and he can make it up peaks faster than marathon runners on tech setups. I can attest to how shitty and not durable barons are, go with guardians or dukes if you want a frame AT binding.
Mar 25 2013 12:01AM
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Keylan
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Depends on how much of a leg workout you would like. I tour on Bent Chets and love them. Although many people would choose a skinnier ski for the lighter weight and easier skinning.
Mar 25 2013 12:30AM
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pow_pow~
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hahah yeah a couple of jackets.

shouldve, only here for another week so if you do feel free to say hey, youd get the obligatory first nser free pitcher, haha.
Mar 25 2013 2:24AM
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VD.
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-Not meaning to threadjack-

Thinking about running these on an AT set up next season, (not on my Caylors). I was wondering what the durability is like, because just recently I broke a pair of barons in under a season.
Mar 25 2013 4:07AM
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Moosen
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Haven't done a lot of touring on them actually. Just in bouncds skiing and they feel pretty solid. I am about 5' 10" and 155 lbs.
Mar 25 2013 4:12AM
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VD.
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Although I'm 2.5 inches taller than you and weigh 30lbs more than you, I'll be using them purely for touring, so they should hold up ok. Besides I only need them to last me a season.
Mar 25 2013 8:00AM
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zahava
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Thinking of going to f12's next season and doing inserts for fks for inbounds use. I need to replace my barons (sloppy and just beat to shit), but i don't think I can afford (or need for how much I actually tour) a tech setup. It would be nice to only 'need' 1 pair of boots (FT's, I like em, light and ski really well).
Mar 25 2013 8:24AM
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Moosen
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My uncle is about that size and he tours on them. On his coombacks. They work fine.
Mar 25 2013 1:48PM
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VD.
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Yeh, I should be fine. As said just using them to crash me a season, until afford a tech set up.
Mar 25 2013 2:09PM
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Dirty.Harry.
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I put ~30 days on 181 Caylors with MFDs last season and they were bearable but very, very heavy and in hindsight not the most fun.

Those Caylors are now mounted with inserts for FKS and Dynafit Radicals. I've toured on them twice this season using the Dynafiddles and they were ok, but definitely heavier than the 186 Jeffrey Tour/Radicals I use primarily. Unless the backcountry is DEEP (which it really hasn't been in VT this year), there hasn't been much of a need to use them over the Jeffreys, which are still relatively wide and have enough tip/tail rocker.

So unless you are planning to hit a lot of backcountry features/jumps, the Billy Goats seem to be a better fat, charging ON3P ski. For all-around versatility though, I don't think the Jeffreys can be beat.

As for the guys talking about the Tour F12, I have seen them fail and thus wouldn't put much trust in them, especially given how hard a lot of you guys seem to like to ski. If there's even an inkling of thought about getting tech bindings in the future for backcountry, my advise is to save up and pull the trigger when you have the money. It's really true that once you go Dynafit, you never go back. Now with the SI&I system coming out, there's that option too if you already ride Pivots.
Mar 25 2013 7:34PM
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VD.
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Under what circumstances and in what way?
Mar 26 2013 5:31AM
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Dirty.Harry.
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I had a friend snap the binding at the pivot point by basically doing nothing. They look and feel like flimsy plastic bindings. Here's the TGR thread:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/210851-Marker-Tour-F12-Major-Failure

I'm not sure if they updated the newest version, though, but I wouldn't buy a pair either way.
Mar 26 2013 8:41AM
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