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True Flat 7

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Miomo
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I have never actually seen a true flat 7. I don't mean a Flat 3 with an extra 360 at the end or a Flat 5 with an extra 1. Anyone have any videos of an actual Flat 7, with all the 720 actually integrated into the full off-axis trick?
Jan 29 2013 10:02PM
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DIX~
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EP has probably done one proper
Jan 29 2013 10:03PM
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wasatch_rat
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pretty sure a flat 3 with an extra 3 or a flat 5 with an extra one is by definition a flat 7
Jan 29 2013 10:19PM
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Caspaaa
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a flatspin as you're describing it would be a double flat spin.....
Jan 29 2013 10:20PM
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Stickity
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i don't see how it can actually be done
the flat itself is pretty much a 3 so even the 5 is stretching it
Jan 29 2013 10:21PM
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JStrathern
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I've definitely seen it just don't remember where. Essentially a flat 5 with another 180 whipped around at the end.
Jan 29 2013 10:26PM
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Nate.Dog
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What your asking for is a cork/bio seven.
A flatspin is just a "reverse" cork, the spin/flip happen in the reverse order (if you don't get what I mean, a flatspin initiates with a flipping rotation and ends in a spin to truely get back on axis, and a cork starts with spinning and ends with a "cork 3" or a "cork 5" flip/rotation to get back on axis.) so if you spin all the way through a "flatspin" you just wind up with a cork/bio seven depending on how you throw it.
That is my understanding of the tricks, feel free to correct/comment, I'm not trying to start a shit storm here.
Jan 29 2013 10:31PM
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Stickity
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a bio is a reverse cork
a flat is different
Jan 29 2013 10:37PM
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Nate.Dog
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when I said "reverse" I just meant the order of the spin/"flip", not the direction the trick is thrown. I know the difference between a bio and a cork, sorry if my word choice was confusing!
Jan 29 2013 11:35PM
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JWoods
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Pep Fujas does a FLOSSY one in an old BC edit on a kind of stepup jump. I can't find it though :(
Jan 30 2013 12:59AM
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Saga.
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anxiously awaiting the day when skiing finally realizes "flat spin" doesnt need to exist. its a back flip,loop or rodeo. you dont need a name for a trick if its 10 degrees of difference on its axis.
Jan 30 2013 1:10AM
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250r
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a bio can actually be set in a way very similar to flats by driving your outside hip up to set the spin, you essentially do a 180 set forward, and drive your hip up at 180...bit hard to explain.

corks are really similar too actually.the initial take off is essentially the same as a flat, but in a cork you spin a 360 before you reach your apex. In a flat you only spin about 180-270. Try setting for a flat but spin a 360 before your apex sometime, and you'll see what i mean, you'll do a cork.
Jan 30 2013 2:43AM
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sweatshirt
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this this this, and rodeo 3's do exist too, cuz it's certainly not a Lincoln loop.
Jan 30 2013 2:47AM
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eheath
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Steves rodeo 7 at the end of this edit is pretty flat

Jan 30 2013 3:00AM
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Saga.
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its still a rodeo. sue he put it on different axis. but its still a rodeo.
Jan 30 2013 3:57AM
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eheath
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Well one might argue to do a rodeo your feet must go above your head, which in Steve's trick he feet never go above his head. But I mean any rodeo past 7 this happens and it turns into more of a bio with more rotation. In the end, doesn't matter.
Jan 30 2013 4:00AM
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1337
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There is a need as they are a legit trick in the pipe, no? A true flatspin (to me at least) would be riding up the wall of the pipe and then rotating with your back parallel to the deck, thrown like a lincoln if the wall was a jump.
Jan 30 2013 4:09AM
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Saga.
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i would just call that a rodeo still. this debate surely will never end though haha
Jan 30 2013 10:06AM
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Blurst
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Yah I am a much bigger fan of how snowboarding refers to their tricks. Unless it is a straight up rodeo its just cork.
Jan 30 2013 10:10AM
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Stickity
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but what if it's a misty or bio? or a dspin?
Jan 30 2013 10:55AM
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Blurst
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all the same shit basically. Misty could be an exception.

The suttle differences between cork, d spin and bio is just frustrating for me. I do know and totally understand the differences I just dont think they are big enough to justify naming it something new.
Jan 30 2013 2:57PM
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Tikayt
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I like having the difference between rodeo and and flat even though the boundary is close because when you learn tricks, it's important to evaluate the angle of a flat spin and a rodeo. To me, a rodeo is way more off axis than a flat spin. When I go for a rodeo, I am more like "go for a backflip and twist your shoulder a little". On a flat, even the way you pop is different. To me, flat=smooth.
Jan 30 2013 3:12PM
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plorr
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Cork and bio are directly opposite. Nobody really calls anything a d spin anymore either.
Jan 30 2013 3:15PM
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SSteezle
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when you set the tricks they're really not very similar at all
Jan 30 2013 3:16PM
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ThundaKilla
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Ski rodeos are backside rodeos and ski mistys would be a front side rodeo. A d-spin would just be a backflip with whatever amount of rotation. Snowboarding is much simpler.
Jan 30 2013 3:21PM
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Joonas
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Well, if rodeo = flatspin, then a rodeo is also a bio, because when you do flat 10 its basically the same as bio 10, which makes it a rodeo 10... Nowhere near a cork 10.

cork can be the same as d spin

bio can be the same as flatspin (or rodeo for you 'Muricans)

Jan 30 2013 3:22PM
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Tikayt
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The process of throwing the trick is different. Wise to name it differently.
Jan 30 2013 3:26PM
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Pmoore
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Tanner Bodreau has one
Jan 30 2013 3:26PM
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brov1
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ik this isnt one but this is one the sickest flat 7s ive seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=9B15KPTU8z8
Jan 30 2013 6:26PM
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JWoods
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How could I have forgot. This is honestly the best fucking example of all time
Jan 30 2013 10:33PM
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Kretzschmar
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came in to post this but will embed for you sir.
Jan 30 2013 10:52PM
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DeRizzo
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ok i'm a little embarrassed but...WHAT THE FUCK IS A D-SPIN. Someone tried to explain it too me but I just couldn't grasp what he was saying.
Jan 30 2013 10:58PM
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JStrathern
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It's pretty much a completely inverted backward spin
Jan 30 2013 11:03PM
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DeRizzo
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Oh so like kinda similar to what the aerialists do? Not trying to joke I'm being serious.
Jan 30 2013 11:10PM
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CrotchKiller
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ya, it's a back full essentially
Jan 30 2013 11:30PM
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cheaaaaaa
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i think the reason the d spin got popular in bumps is because back in the day inverts were not allowed. The rule was defined as "your feet cannot go directly over your head" ... so the d -spin came about because it is a bit of a loop-hole. You go nearly inverted, but never 100% feet over the head.
Jan 30 2013 11:42PM
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cheaaaaaa
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Just throwing it out there, in my mind, this could easily be qualified as bio (forward-cork) as well
Jan 30 2013 11:43PM
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CrotchKiller
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your feet go over your head during a d-spin
Jan 31 2013 12:34AM
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DeRizzo
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like at 0:09

Jan 31 2013 12:42AM
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CrotchKiller
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yep, exactly
Jan 31 2013 12:47AM
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DeRizzo
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ah. thanks for explaining
Jan 31 2013 1:07AM
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Stickity
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woodsy's dub dspin in the new momentum edit is insane
Jan 31 2013 1:10AM
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90053
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essentially not...
one is off axis one isn't, completley different tricks

candide's d spin:


Jan 31 2013 4:58AM
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FreeVillain
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Dose it really matter....
Jan 31 2013 6:56AM
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CrotchKiller
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Actually very similar tricks. Just to a different degree
Jan 31 2013 9:28AM
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Heart
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flat 720 = rodeo 720.

rodeo is basically a flat spin

pls stop arguing about an arbitrary difference
Jan 31 2013 10:18AM
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GrabsForFun
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I think Clayton Vila did a nice one in Network
Jan 31 2013 10:20AM
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heFF
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holson 3:15
Jan 31 2013 11:30AM
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RubberSoul
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threads so i can watch this whole video later, looked sick

oh and a flat 7 is a rodeo 7, trick hair splitting is silly
Jan 31 2013 11:47AM
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cheaaaaaa
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shit, im pretty sure they don't in that d Ferguson shot. There was something about the d spin that made it a loop hole around doing inverts in bumps back in the day.

Regardless, with the back full your plane of the flip is directly backwards (like a back flip) where as the d spin is set off axis

off topic, but just throwing it out there
Jan 31 2013 12:36PM
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Heart
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not true, a d spin 720 is the same as a back full
Jan 31 2013 1:58PM
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