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Rossi FKS 140 or Marker Griffon?? +kkk

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_Mack
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yeah so im getting the halos soon and i want a really good park binding on those bad boys so i need help choosing the rossi fks1 40 or the marker griffon!! both bindings i can get fro like nothing because I'm good friends with the ski shop owner! anybody that had ether of these bindings please feel free to post whatever your thought is
Jan 22 2013 8:42PM
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ThundaKilla
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FKS if you can get them for nothing.
Jan 22 2013 8:46PM
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_Mack
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im leaning towards the FKS a lot more then the griffons but i still wanna see what people say about ether binding
Jan 22 2013 8:53PM
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Forcillo
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Weight/Ability?
Jan 22 2013 8:55PM
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_Mack
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143-145 not heavy at all and pretty good at park so i would say (advanced)!! can do many rails tricks ! getting much better at jumps this year so yeah Advanced at park
Jan 22 2013 9:03PM
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_Mack
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bump
Jan 22 2013 9:27PM
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LAME.
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fks hands down, no questions
Jan 22 2013 10:08PM
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GeorgiaJibber
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if wiling to drop the money go with the fks, i ride griffons and love them due to there light whist, so if u want a really light package go with the griffons, but if weight doesnt matter just go with the Fks
Jan 22 2013 10:14PM
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Forcillo
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Since you say that you are indeed advanced, I'd go with the FKS for the durability and higher din range. You're probably hitting bigger jumps anyway so you'll want a burlier binding.
Jan 22 2013 10:17PM
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_Mack
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the guy takes off 40% of the price for both bindings so i can get both for dirt cheap! its just i wanna good binding that is gonna last me more then 1 ski season! and i think the FKS is the better binding and he recommends the FKS for me but i thought i would ask you guys!
Jan 23 2013 7:50AM
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kingsskier
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Fks. I have extensive use with both and I would put the fks on my skis any day over griffons
Jan 23 2013 8:47AM
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SkiTheYeast
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Fks/ thread
Jan 23 2013 8:59AM
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_Mack
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Thanks that really narrowed my choice most kids are saying FKS so I'm just gonna go with them
Jan 23 2013 9:37AM
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skiRay
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cant go wrong with either, but i stay true to FKS. ive used the same 2 pairs for like 6 years now and have had 0 problems
Jan 23 2013 9:38AM
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Huck_Norris
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FKS

Griffons have no elasticity and are a release binding, not a retention binding like the FKS.  While there is nothing wrong with griffons per se, I prefer the elasticity found in turntable bindings. 

Jan 23 2013 10:39AM
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Forcillo
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Griffons have no elasticity whatsoever? They must have a little bit, otherwise they'd be popping out every time you landed off center.
Jan 23 2013 4:05PM
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freeskibum82
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save your money and just get the Squire you need. you are 145lbs and ski "pretty well". im not dissing you at all, but you dont need either of those bindings and are only considering the fks since all the pros rock em
Jan 23 2013 4:17PM
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Huck_Norris
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Well not really unless you count deflection based on the elasticity of the plastic housings themselves, which I personally wouldn't. 

That's why you have DINs though.  They don't really move until you exceed the selected DIN and then they release completely.  It's a different type of binding altogether from an FKS or other turntable, which provide elastic movement and rebound prior to a release.  I'm not saying griffons are lacking, it's just that I prefer the elasticity of the magical spinning dildo heel, and I even have a pair of griffons on my tahoes too so I do still use them sometimes.     

Jan 23 2013 4:27PM
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milk_man
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I have th Griffons and im not sure if i trust them for the long run because they are pretty much all plastic and the top part of one has been loose..if you can afford the FKS' then get them for sure
Jan 23 2013 4:44PM
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_Mack
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Hellllllll no the squires suck dick I had them last year! Every time I did a butter or a press I popped out of the binding!!! I will never get the squires again! And no I'm not just saying the FKS because the pros use them... there a binding that is long lasting and will last me 2 years or more and that's what I want! And the griffons are a great binding much better then the squire! And there an option and the guy at my shop said he doesn't want me on squires he wants me on ether griffons or FKS!
Jan 23 2013 4:50PM
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Chinchi
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I mean I have griffons on my halos and live them, but people here love their fks on this sight, and u have them on my pow skis and actually like my griffons more....
Jan 23 2013 4:54PM
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Huck_Norris
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To be fair, the FKS he listed as an option have plastic toes as well. 
Jan 23 2013 4:57PM
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_Mack
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this is the kid I wanna talk to ! and can you explain what you like more on the griffons more then the fks
Jan 23 2013 5:46PM
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Park.
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haha its not plastic. I own a pair and they are a composite material much stronger and more durable than plastic. I also have a pair of marker bindings that I no longer use because I popped out of them when I shouldnt have and I broke my thumb because of it. I also just pop outta those pieces cuz they dont put a lot of quality into the bindings that arent over $200. If your uppin that, then you will be fine with whichever binding yuou choose.
Jan 23 2013 6:54PM
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Huck_Norris
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Just an FYI- on this planet we call that plastic.
Jan 23 2013 6:56PM
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kingsskier
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Okay you need to look at this in a different way than is being explained above.
Yes plastic is less durable than metal. But plastic is also a hell of a lot lighter than metal.
You weigh your options. I think you park ski should be as light as possible and poppy. I dont know the exact weights, but griffons and FKSs are light as fuck.
I have skied all metal 916s on my park ski and hated it. They are more durable but add so much weight.
So if you want these bindings to last 5-10+ hard seasons, you will want to go all metal, but will sacrifice weight (plus I dont know of an all metal binding on the indemnified list unless there is a STH version that is all metal still in production, someone help me out here). I mean there are some old race FKS and FKXs that are really used and still holding strong today. Marker doesnt have that longevity yet, though their bindings have vastly improved since pre-griffons/jesters.
Next you look at the way it releases.
FKS and Griffons release in different ways. I prefer the pivot heel FKS while in the park so they stay on a little longer but have lateral release so they arent knee busters.
Next look at DIN range. You seem to have that dialed in.

All in all, from my experience since I have skied Griffons/Jesters FKS 120-pivot 18s on a wide range of skis. I prefeer the FKS in the park. They are light and more durable (in my opinion and I believe others will follow suit) and they hold how I want them to hold.

If you go with FKSs and they have a plastic half moon piece, have access to a spare or two or swap them for metal ones.
Jan 23 2013 7:29PM
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Crispy.
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I have had tons and tons of durability problems with my FKS 140s. Don't know why but it seems to be just me.
Jan 23 2013 7:41PM
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_Mack
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holy shit!!!!!!!!!!! you helped me out SO much!!! i am definitely going with the FKS 140s!!! everyone seems to love them! and they seem to be very good and durable... they are my new choice
Jan 23 2013 7:52PM
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ASVP
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i bought FKS's because they were $110. The kid that hooked me up also has a pair of STH16s. He said i can swap the bindings if i dont like how to FKS's ride. After reading this VERY helpful thread i might just keep the FKS's. I was just lucky to get a great price. Good luck man.
Jan 31 2013 6:30PM
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cwillygood
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FKS are build way better, a better comparison might be the jesters, though the dins dont match up as well..FKS for sure
Jan 31 2013 6:43PM
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TCuv
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After having just broke a piece of the brake system on my Rossi fks's... I have no idea why people purchase this binding. It is the largest inconvenience. I wont have my skis for two weeks. I love the turn table heel but jesus christ... I may get some markers now.
Jan 31 2013 6:54PM
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Chinchi
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Wups sorry to not follow up, but I love the simplicity of my griffons, and although they may be all plastic the durability has been awesome (my experiences of course). My father has been shredding on the same pair for 4 years and my friend has had them on his park skis for 3. Neither show any sign of breaking soon. I love the nice beefy heel and toe pieces and they have always released exactly how I would want them to, never early or too late. They are also super light and are easy to adjust and deal with. That being said I've never had an fks on a park ski but on my pow skis they are really, really good, you honestly can't go wrong. I also got them both for under $200 each so look around for the best deals!
Jan 31 2013 7:13PM
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kingsskier
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Are you talking about the half moon piece? Knowledge of the binding and knowing to get metal ones first will prevent that from happening.
Jan 31 2013 7:15PM
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TCuv
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I broke the brake plate that the inside arms of the brakes connect to. The piece you stomp down on when you click in.
Jan 31 2013 7:19PM
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Crispy.
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How does one buy these metal ones first? Cause the ones I broke were metal.
Feb 1 2013 7:16AM
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kmart7606
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NS goes ape shit for FKS. they're harder to find because everyone loves them.

I have griffons on my armada alpha 2s, but I have ridden the FKS on a few different skis, and honestly you can't go wrong with either.

Marker Griffons
-Basically the lightest binding on the market.
-Plenty of hold, good DIN range for light and heavier skiers
-Wont rip out, no durability issues. I have had mine for 4 seasons they're fine if you don't trash your gear. personally i take care of mine.
-adjustable

FKS
-Also a very light binding, metal makes it heavier than the markers, but not really that noticeable. the density is what you notice
-turntable release is unquestionably a better system than marker, but as long as you're not pre-releasing I wouldn't worry about it too much except rails/buttering.
-Smaller contact point and drill pattern. the 140s have an excellent pattern for motion transfer. both pieces are smaller so you actually get a tad more flex and length feeling from your skis (not necessarily control compared to markers since they contact more ski). this is noticeable and welcomed, but the downside is there's more force on a few screws so you do run the chance of weakening the sockets over time.
-Durability is very good, many FKS last for years and years. however, if anything does brake, it can be difficult to replace
-not adjustable, so if you're growing or changing boots, this could be an issue


hope this helps!
that retention/release talk I would love to hear more about
Feb 1 2013 11:41AM
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Park.
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great info, but the last comment on how fks isnt adjustable is false. it has about 3/4 inches of adjustability. I had them adjusted when I thought I was getting different boots, and they adjusted them without driling them out. I asked them and they said most people in the public dont know about that little feature. but other than that great info and good comparison.
Feb 1 2013 2:00PM
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kmart7606
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Haha guess I'm most people!
Feb 1 2013 7:55PM
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Dirty.Harry.
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I have 2 pairs of FKS/Pivots: an old 12 DIN one and a 140 re-issue. I have had zero issues with them and that's what I recommend. I have had no experience with Griffons so I won't say anything about them. Just positive things for FKS.

And they are adjustable; you just can't do it with a ski pole like the PX12s, for example. You need to screw the heelpieces forward or back equal distances.
Feb 2 2013 9:08PM
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