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How to Butter (+K)

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oranges
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Me and my buddies have been wanting to learn how to do spins off of butters, if anyone could give me some help it would be greatly appreciated!
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Jan 22 2013 1:59AM
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-dAvE-
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The guys voice and everything about it is rlly annoying but they do explain correctly how to do it.. I would of pretty much said the same. the initial 180 though, when buttering, i would say instead of lean uphill, i would drop the shoulder more, i just think that way its easier to shift your weight by using shoulders, i think thats just a personal preference though, experiment and try how this guy explains it, ull figure it out..

Jan 22 2013 2:39AM
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oranges
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thanks man! ill try it out +k for you
Jan 22 2013 2:49AM
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iffe
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Hahah I thought it was really funny.
Jan 22 2013 2:51AM
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Cam-ron.
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make sure yer boots are tight as fuck, no wiggle room. and you gotta have planks that are a good flex for your weight itll make butters much easier, its harder for light weight skiers to flex their skis especially if they don't have much give to begin with.

practice makes perfect and there are plenty of butter variations, throw your weight into it and youll get it down eventually.
Jan 22 2013 2:58AM
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--ski--
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Sweet Jesus. That video was painful to listen to.
Jan 22 2013 4:19AM
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Chute-E
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I've thought of it a couple different ways. If it's more of a roller/jump I just jump a little early, and as I fly over the top I think about pulling my heels up towards my butt. That seems to press the tips of your skis in nicely for a little extra pop.

If it's more of a abrupt transition/ take off I basically do a 180 and then set it like a switch spin.

The second way doesn't always look as smooth but Benchetler had a butter 9 off a cliff in his edit from 2011 doing this way and it still looked super sick. Either way I think it really helps to keep my ankles super flexed to help reduce any wiggle room in your boot (or just crank your boots super tight).

Jan 22 2013 10:18AM
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~Gotama~
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i always start with a hard carve in the direction you want to spin. when youve turned not quite 90 degrees, i turn my shoulders and head uphill and look up. this will keep your body upright and balanced while your skis do all the leaning. think about bending your knees up behind you, but let the pressure of the carve do all the work. from that point its pretty easy to either keep sliding around for a surface butter, or to pop into a 5 or 7 if your going over a nice roller.
Jan 22 2013 10:27AM
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Blynch2
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This
Jan 22 2013 11:36AM
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Z-Juice
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Check out 4frnt Vimeo page. They did a really good tech talk a couple weeks back on em. I would embed but I'm on mobile and don't want to mess with it.
Jan 22 2013 11:49AM
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Chute-E
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sweet thanks

Tips Up - Butters from 4FRNT Skis on Vimeo.

Jan 22 2013 12:14PM
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Tikayt
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Your tools: Speed, balance pressure on the nose, at 180 you should be "buttering" and feeling quite good, then like any other trick, it's time to spot the landing. I personally butter all over the place.
Jan 22 2013 1:29PM
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johnnyBuz
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That guy's voice is awesome. "No man choose ballet." Here's some more cool butters. I still struggle with them but I don't think I'm really attempting them properly.


Jan 22 2013 1:58PM
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L.G.P.
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theres no real trick to buttering. all there is to it is experience
Jan 22 2013 3:14PM
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DrZoidberg
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I can do butter 270 into easy boxes, butter 360s over rollers and in wallrides. It's about being delicate, instead of trying to force it so much just let the terrain do the work. I tried to butter three off this really tiny jump recently, and when you're going in and up a transition it seems to help you butter. I feel like I'm getting launched out of the ramp. I guess because you tips are already bent and it's easy for the tails to leave the ground in the tranny. But I dragged my tips all the way off the ramp, and it killed my speed so I barely went anywhere. The second try I spun off and accidentally tapped the lip with my tips, then finished the spin.
Jan 22 2013 3:36PM
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milk_man
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^all of what these guys said. im no expert and im guessing you know this..but set your din in the back of your binding pretty high or your ski might pop off
Jan 22 2013 7:36PM
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iffe
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set your din in the back of your binding too high and your knee might pop off
Jan 23 2013 2:24AM
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BoomBotix
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Hopefully this is helpful. For sure just starting off with a nose butter 3 is the way to get started. Keep building speed. Not to mention, super noodle skis are helpful. Armada ARVs are one of the best butterlicious skis everrrrr.

Also posted up some step-by-step instructions HERE


Feb 25 2013 8:11PM
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tskilz
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Ski more
Feb 25 2013 8:20PM
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Chubz.
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When i lean back reallyyy far to flex my skis i get a sharp aching pain in the back of my calves. What is this from? And how can i prevent it?
Feb 25 2013 8:21PM
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L.G.P.
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if you think about it, this is happening because you are just leaning back. if you actually push down on your skis, it can be prevented. unfortunately, shin bang cant be completely cured because you have to lean into your butters if you want them to look good.
Feb 25 2013 8:28PM
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DeRizzo
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That was pretty sweet. I feel like I've heard that song in a recent video.
Feb 25 2013 8:32PM
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DIX~
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get full tilts
Feb 25 2013 8:33PM
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DeRizzo
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I have full tilts and I get that pain.
Feb 25 2013 8:35PM
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Parks.
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i think of it as a 180 into whatever spin im doing...take a 3 for instance...i jump into a 180 before the lip but keep looking up as if i am treating it like a 3
Feb 25 2013 8:36PM
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DeRizzo
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AHA!

Kutcher, Goepper & Berman - Summer 2012 from Windells on Vimeo.

Feb 25 2013 8:39PM
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K-Dot.
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Yeah like when i do a switch triple i use the same mindset as you said
Feb 25 2013 8:43PM
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Ben_Mo-Fat
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Max Hill fucking kills it
Feb 25 2013 8:49PM
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Chubz.
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Lol i thought shin bang was a pain in your shins..good to know i guess, i can land way backseat and have no shin bang at all, its just when try to tail butter going straight down the hill, i guess im doing it wrong haha
Feb 25 2013 8:53PM
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DIX~
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get full tilts
Feb 25 2013 10:03PM
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steezbox
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That "pain" will not get solved by wearing full tilts. That is you stretching your hamstrings too far. Same thing happened to me while I was trying nose butter 3's this weekend and I could not walk the next day. I don't know how to avoid it though.
Feb 25 2013 10:11PM
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I_liketobutter
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Just remember kids, margarine (180 while trying to flex your 2x4 park skis) is not butter.
Feb 26 2013 12:09AM
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40oz.
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good advice, make sure your boots are tight. I pull outta my boot once and bruised the fuck outa my heel.
Feb 26 2013 12:15AM
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BoomBotix
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Couldn't agree more. Either butter onto feature or minimum butter 3+ needed.
Feb 28 2013 12:10PM
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I_liketobutter
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im more referring to the flexing of the ski, not the degree of spinning.
Feb 28 2013 12:54PM
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~bagelz~
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i have full tilts and i get this shit too. my shins hurt more when i nose butter switch than when i nose stall
Feb 28 2013 3:25PM
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Snowmachining
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just basically set a spin and lean WAY forward... works for me
Feb 28 2013 5:17PM
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SkiTheYeast
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:42 "notice tha buttaaaa" had a good chuckle at that.
Feb 28 2013 8:39PM
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frozenskier_
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Mar 1 2013 12:50AM
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Ryan*
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Two probably stupid questions. 1: when you guys say "look up", do you mean to look uphill instead of down at your tips? Or do you really mean, like, pick your head up as far as possible? I'm almost positive you mean the former, but like...whatever, I'm dumb.

2: Does anyone have experience buttering with the new (2013) Chronics? I have my 2009 ones (the stiff 85 underfoot ones) and there's no possible way I could butter them, I weigh 145 lbs. I'm replacing those soon and I definitely want a ski that I can butter at my weight, and I want the new Chronics but if they're still impossible to flex into then I probably will go for something softer.
Apr 3 2013 1:20AM
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johnnyBuz
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This season is over and I still don't really understand buttering. Gd I need some friends that are into freestyle skiing.
Apr 3 2013 11:41AM
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I_liketobutter
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^don't worry, back in the day it took me an entire year of buttering off everything i could to get comfortable doing them at high speeds.
Apr 3 2013 12:33PM
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SpliffyJ
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Get confident. Can be kinda scary, Lean as forward as you can, pressure the tips of your skis, and then spin. Do it in one fluid motion. You need to lean as far forward so you feel like your going to fall, and you probably wont be near forward as you think, and thats all there is too it.
Apr 3 2013 6:14PM
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johnnyBuz
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So is the most common thing to throw a nose butter into a switch 1 or switch 3? And do you pop into the butter or just turn your skis after leaning forward? Home mountain is opening up this weekend for the final 2 days I feel like I owe it to myself to try to figure out butters.
Apr 3 2013 10:00PM
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I_liketobutter
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watch the collin collins vid. imo that's the best type of butter and one you definitely want to learn vs the ballet type shit some kids do. a nose butter 3, taking off reg, landing reg is the "most common" just like in the collins vid.

to get that smooth motion, carving into the first 180 is key. not carving into it makes it just awkward. so think of it as:
-carve
-hop 180
-lean wayyyy forward
-let the skis flex (this is key, just get the feeling of almost stalling, flexing the tips and holding them flexed)
-turn ur head to spot ur landing
-pop and suck up your knees
-ride away like a G

watch snowboarders butter and try to imitate that but on skis. also, detune the shit out of your tips and tails if you haven't. if you don't know what that is, bring ur skis into a shop and have them do it.
Apr 3 2013 10:34PM
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johnnyBuz
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Thanks man. I've never seen it laid out that clearly before. +K
Apr 3 2013 10:54PM
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