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Nordica Vs. Rossignol

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zerotohero
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Want to buy new skis, not sure if I should get Nordica Ace of Spades TI Comp or Rossignol Scratch Open. I wanna know what you guys think. I have Atomic Punx now (Neon Orange). I love how much flex they have, and the rail game they bring to the table. NEED OPINIONS!
Jan 21 2013 8:25PM
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7springsprod
Posts: 2661 - Karma: 3,181
AoS , especially the TI version are extremely stiff. I dont know about the scratches..
Jan 21 2013 8:32PM
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DeRizzo
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this should go in gear talk

i dont know anything about the skis though haha
Jan 21 2013 8:32PM
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myllhouse
Posts: 1064 - Karma: 2,157
from what I've seen rossi can hold up well. people that ride for nordica generally go through more than 3 pairs of the ace of spades a year just riding park

Jan 21 2013 8:40PM
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7springsprod
Posts: 2661 - Karma: 3,181
False.
Jan 21 2013 8:42PM
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ho_chi_minh
Posts: 150 - Karma: 224
nord
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Jan 21 2013 8:48PM
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FroesenSkeeze
Posts: 638 - Karma: 673
I haven't had very good luck with Nordica, especially their boots. Rossignol merchandise always delivers, so you really can't go wrong with their skis. Hell, over the weekend, I spotted 3 pairs of the 06 Rossignol Scratch Sprayer FS skis. They hold up.
Jan 21 2013 8:52PM
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myllhouse
Posts: 1064 - Karma: 2,157
sorry, *at least 3 pairs
Jan 21 2013 9:00PM
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Cotter
Posts: 2546 - Karma: 849
a friend of mine still has his nordica dead money's which he rode hard for 3 years and they are still in prime condition. my dead money boots are $$$$ so comfortable love em.
Jan 21 2013 9:38PM
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Posts: 2345 - Karma: 2,104
Nordica's are chill.
Jan 21 2013 9:39PM
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KingTaco
Posts: 2510 - Karma: 2,829
not sure if my case is an anomaly, if i go super hard, or if rossignols have gotten a lot shitter as time goes on but my 2012 scratches have 12 inch sections of edge missing on each ski, and the other sides are missing a 6 inch section and a 4 inch section. The self destruction started after only 15 days on them.

they were pretty cool skis tho, until the edges started falling out like hair
Jan 21 2013 9:47PM
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KeeganKil
Posts: 346 - Karma: 4,413
If you like your really flexy skis then the scratches will be a lot stiffer. But once you brak them in a little bit youll love them and they last mad long. Idk about Nordica tho
Jan 21 2013 9:49PM
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-Robert
Posts: 2000 - Karma: 1,492
I love my ace of spades. They're flexy and really durable!
Jan 21 2013 10:27PM
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_Garagely_
Posts: 1948 - Karma: 3,251
Gear Talk, but I absolutely love my Rossi Scratches. The durability is fantastic and they're super playful, light,stable and just an all around great ski.
Jan 21 2013 11:03PM
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shithawks
Posts: 516 - Karma: -16
neither. rossi used to make good skis but i honestly dont think they give a fuck about park skis anymore. the scratch has not changed in years. from my experiece of owning 4 pairs the edges crack and the side walls break down. i have always disliked nordica and doubt i would ever ski on them
Jan 21 2013 11:16PM
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.Max.
Posts: 2930 - Karma: 701
I'm curious why if you've never tried their product...
Jan 21 2013 11:22PM
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m.dizzle
Posts: 298 - Karma: 67
durable maybe, but flexy... no way. there's titanium in there. The AoS is designed as a stiff ass comp ski for big features, so it's stuff in order to take big jumps and pipe. You're not going to be able to butter an AoS.

I have 2010-2011 Dead Moneys. I like em, they're too short for me (6 feet tall, 163 cm ski) and they wobble and high speeds, but besides cosmetic damage they've held up great. Pretty stiff, pretty light. Personally, I'm not in love, but it's by no means a bad ski.
Jan 21 2013 11:23PM
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prettygood
Posts: 168 - Karma: 433
i`m selling some brand new ones, pm me if you are from europe!
Jan 22 2013 2:25AM
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prettygood
Posts: 168 - Karma: 433
(ace of spades, i thought the decision on that is clear anyways ;) )
Jan 22 2013 2:26AM
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freeskibum82
Posts: 6355 - Karma: 5,057
The scratch ski has changed. it added rocker to the mix. The edge cracks will happen to any ski when it is used for rails. ive owned every scratch (minus the latest one since my last ones are still working great) and im glad they havent changed much since the work fantastic all around the mountain and do really well in the park. Why mess with something that so many people like? Im glad they didnt introduce a ton of rocker in the new one as well. They leave that to their big mountain sticks and im okay with that.

As for the nordica, i was thinking about this ski as well. It looks great and is just as light as the scratch. My only hesitation is the addition of Ti to it as im not sure i want a ski that stiff. The dead money looks like a great value for a light ski without Ti and still has rocker.

I may just bite the bullet and get the scratch yet again.

Other skis to consider is the Head The Caddy.
Jan 22 2013 9:59AM
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Twig
Posts: 6437 - Karma: 60,646
Nordica seem to be making more of a bid for the freeski market this year, signed a real solid am team, dropping regular edits etc. I'd be interested to try the skis... also wondering what they've done about their edges... Do the Aces/Soul Riders have fat edges now or are they still the standard 1.7mm edge?

Rossignol Scratches are well known to be one of the most durable park skis out, at least the older models were, not sure if the recent years are as good?
Jan 22 2013 10:34AM
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williams
Posts: 3083 - Karma: 9,072
Lots of people throwing out specs that are untrue.

The Ace ski comes in two constructions. The Ace Ti has metal and consequently is a bit stiffer for comp/pipe skiers. The normal Ace is actually quite soft. Its a common misconception that the Ace is stiff as a board. You will be pleasantly surprised.

While your in the Nordica department, check out the Dead Money. Most of our athletes choose this ski over the Ace. Its a bit wider and more durable on rails. I had a pair a few seasons back last me over 100 days in a season... That pretty much speaks for itself.

Hope that helps your situation!
Jan 22 2013 10:40AM
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Montana_Hoodrat
Posts: 1953 - Karma: 1,481
really? my friend has 2012 Scratches and they are completely full camber. He loves them to death though. They are super lightweight, snappy, and hold an edge well in the halfpipe. They are a little too stiff for him to butter though, and the topsheets look fucked already, but otherwise they have held up great.
Jan 22 2013 10:40AM
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C.hSKi
Posts: 48 - Karma: 25
nordicas new line looks amazing too! I think this is the new aos? maybe a new ski? Found this on tj shcillers facebook

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Jan 22 2013 10:47AM
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No_Dub
Posts: 3357 - Karma: 294
Are you retarded?


You own every scratch and you think that they have rocker? ok
Jan 22 2013 10:57AM
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Twig
Posts: 6437 - Karma: 60,646
Basically what edges do the park skis use? williams?
Jan 22 2013 11:27AM
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gotti
Posts: 4269 - Karma: 4,550
Buy Nordica. Support kieran and Lupe and dale
Jan 22 2013 11:37AM
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I_Am_Mod
Posts: 13214 - Karma: 3,753
ok, i'll jump on the bandwagon, i've ridden the regular AoS and really liked it, also been on some patrons and goddamn, they both rock, and then i'm not even speaking of their boots! i just love my AoS boot, too bad they broke this year :/

but still, i <3 nordica
Jan 22 2013 12:56PM
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freeskibum82
Posts: 6355 - Karma: 5,057
let me just bold the section of its description.. and as i stated.. i havent gotten my 2013 scratch skis yet, where they added rocker. I am currently using the s4. Im on the fence between that and the nordica.

The Scratch is the legendary competition-level freestyle twin that’s claimed more X-Games medals than any other ski. Period. The athlete-approved pipe and park-ready construction delivers smooth easy spins full-throttle boost and powerful edge-grip that keeps the Scratch on top of the podium. Traditional camber Jib Tip and Mini Cap construction provide increased power shock absorption and enhanced durability for massive park hits and slopestyle courses. Central to the progression of park and pipe skiing the Scratch continues to define the evolution of freestyle. 90% Park / 10% All-Mountain

Key Technologies

Power Turn Rocker-This ski has high traditional camber for 90% of its length, delivering power as well as excellent snowfeel and grip on the piste. A slight rocker over the remaining 10%, at the tip, makes turn initiation easier and more controllable. Piste - Precision - Grip - Power - Speed - Acceleration.

Extended Sidecut-We have developed the longer sidecut to improve high-speed grip while simultaneously improving low-speed handling. Extending the sidecut far into the tip, beyond the start of the rocker, means that the ski can be in contact with the snow along its full length when the skier is angulated and at high speeds. At lower speeds, rotation becomes easier. Grip, Power, Ease.

Jib Tip-This short, round shape reduces inertia on turns and jumps. Elastomer construction gives better pop and shock absorption. Pop, Control, Shock-absorption.
Mini Cap Construction-An ultra-durable construction built with wood cores, 30° sidewalls, fiberglass and high-tech laminates which strengthens the top of the ski, increasing durability.

Traditional Camber
Wood/Microcell Core
JAS
WRS
30° inclined sidewalls-Improve swing weight and reduce ski’s overall weight, enhancing edging and durability
Jan 22 2013 2:21PM
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freeskibum82
Posts: 6355 - Karma: 5,057
just got a 177 off get boards for $149.97 shipped. Thanks for the heads up on that one. I was contemplating that one as well but didnt see many reviews on it. Hopefully its not super soft.
Jan 22 2013 2:41PM
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-Robert
Posts: 2000 - Karma: 1,492
I have the 170cm 2010 ace of spades with the metal layer underneath the topsheet and they're still flexible. Not super flexy but pretty flexible.
Jan 22 2013 3:12PM
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skiRay
Posts: 7558 - Karma: 926
i would definitely go for the nordicas. ive noticed rossignols quality going to the shitter recently. my friend managed to destroy a pair in probably 40 days.
Jan 22 2013 3:34PM
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zac_v
Posts: 231 - Karma: 214
nordicas great, i have el pacos they are the greatest all mountain ski ever, i ski 85% park and they are awesome, they have a great flex to. if you have time you should look into them.
Jan 22 2013 5:05PM
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Montana_Hoodrat
Posts: 1953 - Karma: 1,481
So the new 2013 scratch has 10% rocker only in the tip? that's strange. You really want rocker in both the tip AND tail. they will probably ride super strange, a fucking park ski with a directional rocker profile?

oh well have fun on them dude haha.
Jan 22 2013 10:02PM
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k2andcannoli
Posts: 644 - Karma: -36
The new nordi pow skis are to thin tip and tail. Ive seen two different people with bad de-laminations in the tips. Idk what they did because people lie but $1000 skis shouldn't need tip/tail rivets after a few months.
As for the S3 and aos ti I feel that they are both similar freestyle skis. Neither are very buttery or soft.

I may be wrong but doesn't the aos ti have a smaller turn radius than the regular aos?
Jan 23 2013 9:22AM
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I_Am_Mod
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S3 and the AoS Ti are two completely different skis, i wouldn't recommend the S3 as a pure park ski, more as an all mountain ski ...
Jan 23 2013 9:27AM
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freeskibum82
Posts: 6355 - Karma: 5,057
i agree. the s3 is definitely all mountain. stick with the s4 aka scratch for park specific.
Jan 23 2013 11:06AM
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milk_man
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Both would be good. personally I'd pick the Nordicas
Jan 23 2013 4:55PM
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k2andcannoli
Posts: 644 - Karma: -36
Yup s4 is what I meant.
Jan 23 2013 6:43PM
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mode2n
Posts: 2856 - Karma: 256
I had the normal AoS a few seasons back, and it was a a great ski. Held up really well, super playful too, Nordica definitely puts quality into their product (Still using the AoS 3 seaons in a row). Plus they're changing focus towards a sick am team. I got a pair of Scimitars, and they're fun skis for a more all mountain purpose, but also kill it in the park. I don't think you can go wrong with either company, however I wasn't too fond of the Scratchs when I tried them out. Hope that helps!
Jan 23 2013 7:35PM
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s-hand
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Ive had 2 pairs of AoS and they are sick skis, but the durability is definitely questionable.  The tips/tails have a tendency to delam. If you rivet them though, it prevents the problem before it happens.  As for edges, I have had no issues with them at all.  None missing or anything
Jan 23 2013 10:18PM
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freeskibum82
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delam wasnt covered under warranty?
Jan 24 2013 10:53AM
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Park.
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just throwing this out a little late, but I just picked up a pair of AoS after I broke some Bluehouses after a month. The AoS is probably the most amazing ski I will ever ride. It is very powerful and stable, and the metal only helps the ski have amazing pop and torsional rigidity. They are still flexy, you just need to know how to butter a ski to properly use them, other than that, they are solid on features, as proven with Alex Schlopy.
Feb 7 2013 10:01PM
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