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Bush is killing my grandfather

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asac
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My grandpa has throat cancer and bush is cutting away from health insurance. he won't be able to afford surgery. thanks for caring bush.





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Nov 3 2004 5:32PM
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scofield
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wait? did your grandpa lick carpet and get bush in his throat?



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Nov 3 2004 5:33PM
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is this a fact of speculation? cause... you might blame your grandpas healthcare provider first...















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Nov 3 2004 5:34PM
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dont be a smart ass, ass hole. that realy sucks about your grand pa man, best wishis, and pry for a bit of a miracle, you never know what will happen! keep your head up!

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Nov 3 2004 5:35PM
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that sucks, im sorry to hear that.
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BUSH IN 04!-WHEN KEEPIN' IT REAL GOES WRONG!




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Nov 3 2004 5:39PM
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Bush is the worst president since Nixon.
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Nov 3 2004 5:43PM
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SmoKinSkier
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No its true i looked it up Bush personally called his grandpas healthcare agency and told them to not allow him to recieve surgery.




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Nov 3 2004 5:58PM
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^^^Uh, what about Reagan? Or Bush Senior? Nixon was bad, but Reagan and Bush Sr. were bad enough themselves.


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Nov 3 2004 7:14PM
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hucker22
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maybe he shoulda voted for kerry then
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Nov 3 2004 7:15PM
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maybe your grandpa should have layed off the cigs?
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Nov 3 2004 7:31PM
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thats really harsh asshole ^

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Nov 3 2004 7:44PM
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Ski-hobo
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hey, if Asac grandfather did smoke, then its the fuckin truth, and the truth hurts. So what are you gonna do, blame the president, or ASACs grandfather for smoking.





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Nov 3 2004 7:47PM
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Line101
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It should be noted that he said 'Grandfather', which probably means the guy was smoking in the 40s... it wasn't exactly common knowledge that cigs killed you back then. Hard to blame the guy outright.
Nov 3 2004 7:51PM
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Mike2.0
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That sucks...but still Bush sucks, Kerry sucks, Nader rules.
Nov 3 2004 7:54PM
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Mike2.0
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That sucks man, sorry...but still Bush sucks, Kerry sucks, Ralph Nader rules.
Nov 3 2004 7:56PM
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BobYohan
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bush is raping my grandmother.


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Nov 3 2004 8:13PM
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BobYohan
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jks, seriously man thats too bad about your grandfather. i dont know all that much about Bushs' healthcare platform, being foreign i mainly pay attention to his foreign policy. if thats true tho i hate him even more


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Ice-Is-Scary
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umm its been well known for a while that cigarettes are bad for you


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Nov 3 2004 8:14PM
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Ski-hobo
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^yep, seems like ASAC gd killed himself, Bush is only trying to save some money for people who didn't smoke.





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Nov 3 2004 8:25PM
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Line101
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Again, you may have noticed tobacco companies claiming that cigarettes weren't harmful as late as the 90s... in the 40s, this was not exactly a universally agreed-upon thing. Virtually no studies had been conducted by that point. So again, it's probably not his fault, if he had no idea when he started. But it's nice to see that 'You screwed up, you can go die in a gutter' mindset. If that's 'harsh reality', then reality needs an adjustment.
Nov 3 2004 8:28PM
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Ski-hobo
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^do you have sympathy for someone that has begun to use heroin past the year 2000?





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Nov 3 2004 8:30PM
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asac
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wow. i love the sympathy i get from the people on ns. anyway, my grandpa never smoked. i know that for a fact.





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Nov 3 2004 8:32PM
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Line101
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Past the year 2000? I've known heroin was rather less than good for the body for a lot longer than that... I don't see the relationship between the two situations?
Nov 3 2004 8:32PM
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Bob_Loblaw
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where did he ever even say that he smoked cigarettes?
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Nov 3 2004 8:35PM
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Adamskinick
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all u haters just got burned.. his g-pa didnt smoke..
yea that sucks.. best of luck dude, i got a g-pa also.. hes a pimp
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Nov 3 2004 8:35PM
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ATLskier
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I'm so sick of this shit. ASAC, Bush isn't killing your grandfather, and I'm sorry he has throat cancer, and I hope he pulls through, but to blame Bush is just plain stupid. Bsh passed a 400 billion dollar health care bill so seniors could have health care. You should really blame the health care provider, if anyone. Please support your statements with facts.

As for Reagan being a bad president...Where the hell did you get that. I beleive it was Reagan that solved the Iran hoostage crisis within a day of his innauguration, after carter spent almost is entire presidency not doing anything about it. He also stopped the Cold War and had a great economy the lasted for many years.
Nov 3 2004 8:47PM
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SmoKinSkier
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Yea that was my only point becuz i know i lost my dad this summer my grandpa and my aunt within the last 5 years to cancer im not sayin it doesnt suck i really feel for asac my point is if he is using his grandpa to bash bush than lack of sympathy should be expected




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Nov 3 2004 9:17PM
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wouldnt bush be the start of the problem?






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Nov 3 2004 10:17PM
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Nov 3 2004 10:20PM
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threejay
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I'm really sorry about your grandfather, but for you to blame this on bush is rediculouly low. Go ahead and blame your healthcare provider, but this has nothing to do w/ bush.



Nov 3 2004 10:44PM
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northof49
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Bush kills lots of people... so what's your question?
Nov 3 2004 10:44PM
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Line101
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^Hahahaha... perhaps he's wondering if the president will autograph the corpse.

I'm sorry, that was mean. But I'm on your granddad's side. I hope he gets better, is there no chance for a tracheotomy, or anything like that working?
Nov 3 2004 10:56PM
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you guys are assholes...I don't get why everyone opposes a national healthcare system here in the states.




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Nov 3 2004 11:08PM
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bigJ
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Why, because we aren't socialists, we are capitalists. Make your own money and pay your own way rather then 'its alright, we will help you as long as you need it thanks to the young productive members of society that we are money bumming off of.'



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Nov 3 2004 11:13PM
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asac
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i'm pretty sure my grandpa has done his duty for society and still does. he was a chem teacher all his life, trained riflemen for the army, and now he drives other elderly people who can't drive to boston (3-4 hour drive) to go to a hospital 4 days a week. not to mention he still volunteers to go into elementary classrooms to do labs with kids. my grandpa is not mouching off society. health care would be the least you could give him.





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Nov 4 2004 5:17AM
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threejay
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it isnt the governments responsibility to provide healtcare!!!!! That's what a socialist government does, we live in a capitalistic society!! it isnt the governments job to hand out everything to everyone, sorry.



Nov 4 2004 5:45AM
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Mike-O
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^WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?

Are you aware of the world,you cunt?! Do you pay any attention to your surroundings and the situation in other countries?!

FINLAND is NOT a socialist country,NO WAY,yet we provider FREE health care for EVERY citizen in our country,even those immigrants that come from countries USA has bombed so they can't live there anymore!

Our healthcare system is noted to be one of the best in the world,and we are capitalists too,unfortunately! It's paid with taxes and PEOPLE WITH THROAT CANCER (a really bad disease) will get bumped up in the surgery line and they will be operated on,with the goverment's money!!

Parker669,you are an utter and complete idiot,who should really focus on learning facts about things before making any statements on matters at hand,BITCH!
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Nov 4 2004 6:14AM
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Mike-O
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One more thing:

if it isn't the government's job to take care of citizens in need,especially people with cancer,HIV etc. then what IS the government's job?

I thought you elect a president whose government will provide things for you,at least provide healthcare so you can live?

If the government won't help you with that,why not just live in total anarchy?!
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Nov 4 2004 6:23AM
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whether you like it or not government supported healthcare is a socialistic institution, and even though it works in finland, it doesnt mean its the right answer for an extremely capitalistic country like America, and the cost of putting something like that into place here would be astronomical, and we definitely dont have the money to do it now
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Nov 4 2004 7:02AM
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Nov 4 2004 7:22AM
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Finland sounds awesome! It is the governments job to protect its citizens. Protecting them includes protecting them from infection and disease. I feel for asac. The saddest part is that asac's grandpa is one of millions that do not have health care because it is too expensive. There was no candidate that had a realistic approach to health care this election year. granted I think Kerry would have done more than Bush did in his first term but as we know that doesn't really matter anymore. Here's what I think: Bush is going into the history books right now as a spitting image of his father. Economy went to shit and we went to war with Iraq. He has already taken the first step to getting away from that image by being reelected. Although I am not a Bush supporter in any means, Bush might start ruling from the middle as opposed to the right, so he can be the 'uniter' that he said he was in 2000. I think he will try to improve our relations with Europe but that, in my mind, is of little significance right now. We can't give democracies to other countries until we help our own.
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Nov 4 2004 7:32AM
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maybe stem-cell research can save him...oops nevermind Bush outlawed that
Nov 4 2004 8:00AM
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^It seems a bit hard to start and mingle with European countries,especially France,an ally of USA,who didn't want to go to war and Bush did all there is possible to flame the French (freedom fries etc.)


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Nov 4 2004 8:05AM
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sorry to hear that. i hope he does better. this is one example of a good, upstanding citezen ( one of the few things i can actually be proud of about living in the usa) getting screwed by the country they7 have given so much to. we can do better than this, and unfortunatly we have re-elected a president that will not help things at all.

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