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Obese.Geese
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Anybody know how to stop it from happening? I have fairy large calves, wide feet, but my heel is really narrow. I have the intuition liners, but i dont think i can heat mold around the feet. but im not sure. Im looking at trading them for or buying a pair of full tilts. They dont have as wide of a last, but it fits comfy, and i dont get heel lift. Does anyone know how to fix it? i have some offers on my boots, but i will only sell em if thats my only option.
Jan 3 2013 5:44PM
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Go to an experienced boot fitter and see what they can do.
Jan 3 2013 5:53PM
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Bertrand
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J bar pieces of foam. Slap them on the outside of your liner, around the ankle bone. Should take up volume. Had to do it on my first chairs once they packed out, lost almost all control because my ankle had so much room.
Jan 3 2013 5:57PM
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Obese.Geese
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I did that, it gave be shin bang....
Jan 3 2013 6:23PM
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Bertrand
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What the....?
Jan 3 2013 7:27PM
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Twig
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thread because i have some of the same problem with intuitions.
Jan 3 2013 7:40PM
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I_liketobutter
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someone made a thread on this about a couple weeks ago. "j" pieces of foam should help, idk how they can give you shinbang....also oneryderkid, atomic boot guy, mentioned the material of intuition liners and how it is much more slippery than others. I never thought of this but it really makes sense, the liner are damn slippery when i think about it.

so use j pieces, go to a bootfitter, and stop landing backseat or whatever is giving u shinbang.
Jan 3 2013 7:57PM
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Obese.Geese
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It made the tongue of the boot a different flex all through out it. Was i using the wrong foam?
Jan 3 2013 8:00PM
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Twig
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the foam should be at the back, how does it affect the tongue? It was me who made the last thread and it had some good advice...

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/723256/

I got some foam in and it helped, but i still get some lift and some calfbang (the latter may be my skiing style) but i am still tempted to try a different liner.
Jan 3 2013 8:03PM
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onenerdykid
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FT uses Intuition liners as well, so I don't think it is a problem with your Intuition liner, just how it fits you. I am curious why you think that you can't heat mold the liner around your foot?? Plus, putting J-bar foam pieces around your ankle shouldn't give you shinbang...

Have you had a boot-fitter assess your set-up or are you doing this on your own? If you are in the right size boot and it is a proper fit, then once you heat mold the liner and then put on J-bar foam pieces, your heel shouldn't be moving at all.
Jan 4 2013 5:19AM
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BoogieWoman
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I have the same problem. I have FT Dropkicks and had the liner moulded as well as a custom footbed. At first they were super snug but now they've packed out I get some heel lift when I butter and it seems to be getting worse. I'm going to take them to a boot fitter and see if they can do anything, they are the comfiest boots I've had so I really don't want to have to swap em.
Jan 4 2013 5:48AM
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Sparta
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the liner in the dropkick isnt very thick and it doesnt have the j-bars that the higher end liners do. so when you go see your bootfitter have him put on those j foam pieces that are talked about here.
Jan 4 2013 5:55AM
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Obese.Geese
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Ill just take them too a boot fitter. I thought id ask here cause my local boot fitter wants to charge 20. Anyone know anywhere in utah thats free?
Jan 4 2013 9:38AM
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onenerdykid
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Did you buy your boots from said shop? If you did, then that service should e free or at a deep discount for you. If not, then you should be prepared to pay. This is service, like any other, that requires time, professional training, and lots of practice to get right.
Jan 4 2013 9:58AM
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Obese.Geese
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Yeah, my dad bought them 2 years ago. used them twice and sold em to me
Jan 4 2013 11:16AM
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Cyanicenine
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J bars, c pads, butterflys, etc, all those foam "solutions" ultimately suck. They'll work temporarily but they're going to pack down, forcing you to add more foam and causing potential nerve damage in your foot since the liner is no longer hugging your foot uniformly (usually adding excessive pressure around the ankle bone).

If you're forced into a situation where you need to put foam in your boot it's because you have a bad shell fit. When you buy a boot it should be snug around the narrowest part of your foot. If it's too tight in other areas that can easily be fixed with a boot punch or boot grinding. If your shell fit is too large however, nothing can be done to shrink it, you just need to get a new boot.

I have a narrow heel and medium sized forefoot, and I sized my boot for my heel and things have never been better. I'm in a 95 last race boot and my boot fitter just boot punched the hell out of the forefoot and now I'm in the best shell fit of my life. It's also important to note that some low-mid range boots have nothing but a tube shape for your ankle/lower leg. Higher end shells will be in a tear drop shape instead of relying entirely on the liner to get your heel hold.
Jan 4 2013 4:19PM
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onenerdykid
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I definitely agree that padding is not a proper substitute for the right shell fit, but I disagree with your claim that such pads ultimately suck or that they can lead to nerve damage when used in the right way and area. I am in a shell that is 2 sizes smaller than my weighted Brannock size, but I still like to use pads in certain areas because a shell only has one foot shape to it. These pads account for the various voids that will always exist between a person's flexible foot & leg and the rigid shell & cuff. I have over 100 days in certain padded liners and have been doing this to my own boots and professional athletes' boots for the past ten years without any problems whatsoever. I think when used in the right way and in the right situations, they can be super beneficial, but only when you are in the proper size and shape boot for your foot. Such pads definitely do not compensate for having the wrong size shell.
Jan 5 2013 8:15AM
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Obese.Geese
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I consider my boots higher end. They were 600, and theyre dalbello il moro t's.
Jan 5 2013 8:50AM
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Caucasian_Asian
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Put a heel lift in.
Jan 5 2013 10:23AM
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Cyanicenine
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I'm definitely in the right shell and I definitely suffered some nerve damage due to putting some really thick C pads in my boots, according to my boot fitter this can be a problem with putting foam in your boots. The problem was my liner had 130+ days on it and had gotten super sloppy in the heel, so I threw some C pads in there, which definitely helped, but focused all the pressure directly to where the pads sat rather than evenly distributing it around my ankle.

Long story short, when I touch my heel I get pain/tingling in my toes which is definitely not something that should happen. I ended up just replacing the liners altogether (intuition power wrap) and have been pretty happy. I suppose in some instances foam pads can work, hopefully with someone knowledgeable in foot anatomy applying them. I'm at the whim of my local shop which can be hit or miss in that area. Seems like the best way to get a good fit is to just get a shell that is slightly too small and boot punch the bejesus out of it so you don't ever have to throw foam in there.
Jan 5 2013 7:46PM
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onenerdykid
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Yeah, it doesn't take much to make the heel tighter. For example, when we are testing liner constructions/foam thicknesses, we only change the foam thickness by 2mm at first. So when the foam thickness is increased by 2mm on each side of the ankle/heel, it is a very noticeable change.
Jan 6 2013 12:52PM
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