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Look Pivot 18 toe space question (+K)

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3rik
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Not sure if a double post but sort of worried about this.

I just got my Sideseths mounted with a new Look Pivot 18, and there's like a half inch of space in between the toe of my boot and the front of the binding. The tech who mounted them used a jig and said that they were supposed to be like that in order to eject properly, but every other pair of pivots i've seen seem to be flush with the toe and binding.

Any opinions from shop techs or anyone else in the industry?

Thanks. (Karma for solid answers)
Jan 2 2013 9:43PM
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AJizzle
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Sounds like they didn't adjust the forward pressure by tightening the arms on the pivot heel. You should ask them to retest them with a torque wrench, and post pictures so you can get more accurate assessments.
Jan 2 2013 10:08PM
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Z-PAULY.
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Yea sounds a little weird. My fks fit on my boot like any other bindings should. I'd go to a different shop and see what they can do or something. Uploading pics on here could help me find out your problem easier too.
Jan 3 2013 12:55AM
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3rik
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yeah i'll post pictures tomorrow, don't have my boots with me.
Jan 3 2013 1:03AM
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SkiFreshPow
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I have some pivot 14s on punx and they fit snugly to my boots. no extra space and they work excellently.
Jan 3 2013 2:21AM
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Ghini
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As long as the arms of the toe piece have contact with your boots its ok, I also have some space between the middle part of my boots and the middle of the toe piece..no problem at all, boots have different shapes, only the block (dont know how you call that) is the same on all boots.

But its never wrong to check if your forward presure is ok, but you can also check it yourself, it should be like this:

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Jan 3 2013 4:45AM
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3rik
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Thanks!, that's what the guy who mounted them showed me when i asked him about it.
Jan 3 2013 10:53AM
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3rik
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Sorry about the sideways pictures.
Jan 3 2013 8:28PM
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QuinnBestwick
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i think it looks right...ithink
Jan 3 2013 8:35PM
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El_Barto.
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So im gonna be that guy. How can you not know what your boot is supposed to like in your binding and justify using an 18 din binding? Hopefully you weigh 250 lbs.
Jan 3 2013 8:45PM
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3rik
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First pair of Pivots, most other bindings are flush to my boot so i just wanted a second opinion.

I'm 145 and ski aggressively.


At a 15 DIN.
Jan 3 2013 8:55PM
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.Brink.
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that's just how pivots/fks/axial/px toe pieces look when the boot is in them. some boots will fit more flush others will have a larger gap it all depends on the boot manufacturer. if your at a 15 din at 145 pounds i hope you absolutely fucking rip my din is 11-12 and I'm 6'3" 200 lbs. ill say a quick prayer for your knees.
Jan 3 2013 9:00PM
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AJizzle
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What the Fuck would you ski a 15 din for? I read an article in which Seth says he skis at a din of 11, enjoy blowing out your knees.
Jan 3 2013 9:03PM
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El_Barto.
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man...15 din at 145 lbs is crazy. I second the prayers for your knees
Jan 3 2013 9:04PM
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3rik
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thanks for clearing it up.


And yeah i came out of my STH 16's when i should have last year, so I'm not worried about it.

Jan 3 2013 9:08PM
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3rik
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sorry for partying.
Jan 3 2013 9:09PM
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El_Barto.
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excellent response. i use px15s. That toe piece is so nice. Enjoy
Jan 3 2013 9:11PM
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AJizzle
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You are missing the point of the pivot binding, they have the most elastic travel of any binding on the market, which means that you can run them at a normal din and not have to worry about pre release. If you ski at a din of 15 you will blow up a knee, so you should be worried about it.
Jan 3 2013 9:12PM
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FreeVillain
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Nice response man I'm 210 and 6 feet and I'm at 11
Jan 3 2013 10:27PM
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.RYAN66
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Lmfao, if you ski that hard you would be charging like the pros.

I can just think of the laughs the tech was having when you asked about your forward pressure and your dins were cranked this high.


lmfao 145 and a 15 din. I cant stop laughing. have fun with your blown knees, your chicken legs wont last for long with that din.
Jan 3 2013 10:33PM
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AJizzle
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I'm just hoping that he doesn't spiral fracture a leg bone as well as blowing his knee, that would be horrible, but completely possible at a din of 15.
Jan 3 2013 11:24PM
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3rik
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sorry not sorry.

I don't even know how to respond without sounding like a cocky prick.

But yeah i ski hard enough to only feel comfortable at a 15.

Sorry if none of you can actually grasp that concept.


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Jan 3 2013 11:40PM
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.Brink.
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I watched your season edit, and you ski pretty hard but you still don't need a 15 din. At your weight its not going to do anything except damage your knees. At a certain point it has nothing to do with the type of skiing your doing but more your weight and the fact that your 145 lb body is going to break before the binding releases. If your goal is to not release ever (and there are sometimes situations where you would want that) then by all means go for it, but if you fall there's a high probability your going to fuck something in your knee up. P18's have no vertical release by the way, another thing to keep in mind.
Jan 4 2013 1:27AM
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3rik
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Yeah I hear you.


And the guy I talked to said that the space between the pivot and my boot was actually specifically for the vertical release?
Jan 4 2013 12:47PM
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AJizzle
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No he's a Fucking moron
Jan 4 2013 1:19PM
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AJizzle
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I only feel comfortable banging chicks with no rubber, doesn't mean its a good idea.
Jan 4 2013 1:45PM
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VD.
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Bro I just watched the first half of your season edit, I can see no reason why you need your DIN close to 15. Is it really worth having your DIN at 15 to sound hard on a chair lift, only to minuets later have a spiral fracture or serious knee injury requiring intrusive surgery and long physical rehabilitation. Ask yourself, do you really want to ruin your ski career?
Jan 4 2013 4:02PM
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3rik
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Yeah okay i hear you guys, my edit was not all i wanted it to be as it was just comp footage on a pretty soft pair of skis. Definitely had some better skiing outside of comps last year.

Would it make you all happier if i toned it down to a 13?
Jan 4 2013 6:22PM
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Park.
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that isnt the point if you just bring it down a few points. You need to get a relative din range for your weight even if you do rip. My friend weighs the same as you and has 18 din pivots as well and is rocking them at a 9. YOu can bring your din higher up because you are a much better skier than him but he goes big and he understands that what he thinks is not what is always right. Ask yourself the same question buddy, and think about not killing yourself pointlessly...
Jan 4 2013 9:55PM
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.RYAN66
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yeah, din is based on weight height and bsl more then anything else. you may rip it harder then anyone else, although based on your edit, you're a pretty average skier. I would recommend never having a din over 10 for that weight.

that being said, I must also say that you should put your din at what the certified tech set it at and that I am in no way advising you on what to set your binding at. cranking your din, makes the shop and the binding manufacture not responsible when you blow your knees into pieces. like Tanners ankles.
Jan 5 2013 1:42AM
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3rik
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Are you saying that Tanner broke his ankles because his dins were too high...?
Jan 5 2013 11:14PM
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IDMT_BC024
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I watched his edit, thats not even close to pretty average skiing. I'd like to see you post up an edit of your skiing, because there really aren't very many lines like that in any of the I- 70 resorts where you ski according to your profile. (I'm not saying its great, smooth your turns and ski the fall line dude! but its better skiing than most.)
15 din is definitely excessive for his weight but below 10 is too low for going big in harder conditions, especially when competing. I have prerelease multiple times on griffons set at 11 with proper forward pressure and I only weigh 10 pounds more than the OP. I do ski harder than most though. I have never had a problem with my skis releasing when they needed too at 12, even in the occasional low speed fall when fucking around or the two times when I caught a tip under a buried log.
Am I suggesting that most skiers set their dins above 10? No, but going big in harder conditions and going fast through bumps puts more stress on bindings than almost anything else in skiing including bigger park jumps, and the consequences of a prerelease are higher.
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OP did you compete in the Targhee junior freeskiing comp? I thought I saw a shot of peaked in your edit.
Jan 6 2013 12:29AM
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