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Gay marrige ban vote

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Ski-hobo
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Damn, funny how the deeper south you get, the higher the yes for the ban on same sex marriage. Example: Mississippi yes: 85%
Oregon yes:49%
these numbers will probibly chance a little, but its kinda funny.





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Nov 2 2004 9:58PM
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katesd
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If you're not gay, does gay marriage really affect you?? Why SHOULDN'T it be legal? If 2 men get married, or two women, does it alter your day to day activities? will it really keep you awake at night? Marriage is something that binds two people together - if 2 heterosexuals get married, they are simply committing themselves to eachother. The same goes for two homosexuals. what the hell is the problem here? I honestly can't comprehend why people are so against it. If it doesn't affect your life (which it doesn't) it shouldn't concern you so much.
Nov 3 2004 12:20PM
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Capt.Flannel
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Unless your gay, IT DOESNT AFFECT YOU. For you that would vote against it... does it feel good to know that you'd ruin somebody's life?




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Nov 3 2004 12:38PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Ok, first, I support gay marriage, 100%. But I really dont agree with that^ arguement on this issue. Gay Marriage will affect America, as it will probably give gays a bit more power, socially and politically even to some extent. I think it's time for that power to be granted, so thats why I support gay marriage.
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Nov 3 2004 1:20PM
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Capt.Flannel
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Ya I guess so, but a non-gay person shouldn't hold the fate and rights of gays.




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Nov 3 2004 1:21PM
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marriage=guy+girl not guy+guy or girl+girl
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Nov 3 2004 1:24PM
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Capt.Flannel
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what does it matter to you that two people get married? Is it grosse? cause if thats the reason, then fat people shouldnt get married or have sex either huh?




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Nov 3 2004 1:26PM
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Irotate360
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random people should not decide weather gays should marry or not.




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Nov 3 2004 1:52PM
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RudyGarmisch
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'I've heard the idea of having a nudist airline where all the passengers would have to fly nude. It might seem a little odd, but it would certianly keep fat people from spilling over into your seat and keep them off the airlines.'

That was my friends response when I showed him this, I laughed.

I dunno about that argument tho, that restricting gay marriage would be like restricting fat marriages, because in all but the most extreme cases, being fat is mostly your fault. Being gay isnt a decision or a lack thereof. You cant just decide to be truly gay, you're born that way.
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Nov 3 2004 1:53PM
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It's a discrimination against a minority. We might as well restore racial separation...




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Nov 3 2004 1:57PM
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How can you be a moral person and support legalizing discrimination...



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Nov 3 2004 1:57PM
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Irotate360
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^^ yeah definatly. skin color and sexual orientation are no diff.




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Nov 3 2004 2:02PM
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TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsJik
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you can't change your skin color. Well MJ might argue that.



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Nov 3 2004 2:26PM
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^He doesnt count, he might not be classified human now.
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Nov 3 2004 2:28PM
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'you can't change your skin color.'

so you are implying that one can change their sexuality? can you? if you worked hard enough, do you think you could ever be attracted to the same sex? no, because you have always been attracted to the opposite sex. do those rules change when applied to someone who is attracted to the same sex?

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Nov 3 2004 4:21PM
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RudyGarmisch
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you can change your gender, but not your sexual preferance. At least thats what I think.
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Nov 3 2004 4:24PM
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TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsJik
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'so you are implying that one can change their sexuality? can you? if you worked hard enough, do you think you could ever be attracted to the same sex? no, because you have always been attracted to the opposite sex. do those rules change when applied to someone who is attracted to the same sex?'

I know more than one person who has


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Nov 3 2004 4:37PM
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Latch
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I voted for the ban on same sex marriages. There is something I don't understand, however. Assuming homophilic attraction is the same as heterosexual attraction, why do homosexuals feel compelled to get married? If a heterosexual couple was denied the right to marry, would that then effect how the felt about each other? No.


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Nov 3 2004 4:59PM
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CTD
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what a fucked up country. who cares if they are gay. thats like saying you really really love a woman, but cant marry her becasue she has a different ethnical background as you. how fucked up is that? this is america, and its SUPPOSED to be a free country. i was pissed that didnt pass. im not gay, but i find it incredibly disrespectful to do something like this.







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Nov 3 2004 4:59PM
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bigJ
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Its not an issue of gay rights or allowing people to be gay, it is an issue of protecting an age old tradition. Somethings are meant to be kept old and traditional, and this is no different. People see gay marriage as undermining the covenant that they have made with their spouse by allowing something that they believe is wrong to be a part of it. They are not trying to take away rights of homosexuality, they are just trying to protect the idea of the traditional family, an idea that this society was founded upon. People believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and thats what they have always believed, and its not changing anytime soon.



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Nov 3 2004 5:07PM
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freeze_and_burn
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they should be allowed to be married. They are just like anyone else, why shouldnt they? because you think its eww. Its not like let the same sex get married... its thier life its not like they are asking you to be gay and get married they just want the same rights as everyone else. No one ever ask's to be different its just the way they are, would you rather them say 'Its not right people are going to look at me weird so i shall do as everyone else does... and i shall marry the opposite sex and be totally unhappy.' Like what they do shouldnt concern you. its not like they are going to share what they do in their room with you... so just let them...well enough of my ranting
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RudyGarmisch
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If they're trying to protect the traditional family, why dont they ban divorce?
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Nov 3 2004 5:56PM
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Shizzle
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^yeah, i dont see why everyone's so worried about the image of marriage being tarnished. i'd say it's already been pretty much demolished in modern society.



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Nov 3 2004 6:33PM
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ESB
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BigJ, until about a hundred years ago (and still in many places and many minds today), people thought that a skin color other than white signified an inherent, God-given inferiority. Isn't change a good thing?

Thanks for presenting your point in the way you did, though; the thoughtfulness is appreciated. This is the kind of discussion that these boards need more often.




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Nov 3 2004 6:46PM
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BobYohan
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the very term 'age old tradition' implies the fact that the reason for keeping gay marriage illegal is religous. no one can force the church or other religous group to perform ceremonies in their 'age old tradition' if they do not want to, but the issue is a legal one. although seperation of chrurch and state is becoming increasingly theoretical, the government is supposed to be blind to the differences between people and protect the rights of minorities. putting this to a vote and letting the majority decide the fate of homosexuals is unjust because, unfortunately, public opinion right now is descriminatory as it once was towards other races as pointed out above


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Nov 3 2004 6:58PM
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arsenal601
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^the sepreration of church and state thing is true. there is supposed to be serperation but now, any arguemnt you make about gay marragie goes back to religion. 'the bible says this and that' what if i dont worship the bible? you can be religious and form your own personal opinions, there are religious gays being married.









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Nov 3 2004 7:03PM
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arsenal601
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gays are just people like every other god damn person on earth and if they want to be with the person they love for the rest of their lives its THEIR chioce, not people who think its 'icky'. that the fucking mentality of a 6th grader. it is astounding to me the number of people in the state that cant even TOLERATE this. you dont have to like it, or agree with it but for god sake at least tolerate it.









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Nov 3 2004 7:06PM
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arsenal601
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some say its unconstitutional, its in the god damn pledge of allegeance, the last line: with libery and justice for ALL. i dont remeber it being changed to Liberty and justice for heterosexuals









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Nov 3 2004 7:09PM
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jsg
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if u think homosexualty is wrong then i am sorry u are a fuckin red neck they cant choose to be gay its not up to them so they r spoose to live lonely lives cause they cant get marryed i have a family friend who is gay and he is like a uncle to me and he normal so im sorry if u think homosexualty is wrong then ur the 1 with the issue its like ur racist to blacks its like saying i dont like u cause ur black or ur a girl or guy or cause ur eyes look wierd so answer to that if u think its is wrong
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Nov 3 2004 7:11PM
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BobYohan the church wouldnt care they belive god created everything for a reason its George w Bush no offence to any 1 but he is the biggest fuckin red neck he is one main reason it is not legal
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Nov 3 2004 7:16PM
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Nov 3 2004 7:17PM
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jsg
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dirtydrummer102 and Lacth y do u care ok for 1 second pretend u where gay but u wanted to be stright SOOOOO bad but u couldnt then u finaly say i am what i am and then u fall in love u cant help what u are attracted 2 then when u finally want to marry this person some 1 is like no u cant cause ur a homosexuwal but isint marrage about love not gender if u love some 1 u should be able to marry them and i think that goes for evey 1
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Nov 3 2004 7:21PM
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sacha
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I think that the problem in america is that religion is running the country and not common sense. I mean as long as some gay guy doesnt want to marry me i dont give a shit if he gets married to his boyfriend or whatever. It's like saying should black people be allowed to get married. Im not black and i dont have a black gf but i dont care who gets married if they love each other. But really whats so good about marriage my parents have been together for 26 years and theyre not married ( theyre not gay either) and they have no intention of getting married. Im all for gay marriage even if i dont really see the point in it.


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Nov 3 2004 7:23PM
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pmills
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people think that if you ban gay marage people wont be gay! WRONG! if you keep them different from every one else, they will be more noticeable than if you just make every one the same. it's such crap and people need to get over their fears of gay people, it's not YOU so YOU don't need to worry about it.
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Nov 3 2004 7:31PM
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its not all about just being gay some people will just marry for money issues and things like that its deeper than gays being married b/c people think its wrong
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Nov 3 2004 7:35PM
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Ski-hobo
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like someone said a few months ago 'gay people wanting to get married is like black people wanting to join the KKK'





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Nov 3 2004 7:37PM
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ok...im really not gunna say anything...because im pretty tired right now and ll get carried away... but pajibber and kamikazee have it. it is a clear defiance of rights. who are you to tell them they dont deserve to marry? bastards


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Nov 3 2004 7:37PM
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^^Funny you should mention the KKK... even if the analogy makes no sense whatsoever. Funny, though.
Nov 3 2004 7:41PM
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TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsJik
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I'm still trying to understand how they are losing their rights. They are still allowed to be in relationships. Marriage is the bond between a man and a woman ... since the beginning of marriage itself. So people that want to spend the rest of their lives with a person of the same sex can find some sort of union other than marriage. People here are completely missing the point. By banning gay marriage, we are not banning homophilia. If so we'd have laws against it, like pedophilia. Besides, there are plenty of hetero couples who don't feel the need to get married.


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Nov 3 2004 8:57PM
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Doghouse
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Much more is intertwined within marriage other than loving someone. Property, visitation rights, etc etc. Lets say, hypothetically, that you're gay and have a gay boyfriend or whatever and live in a house, if your bf owns the house and dies, it doesnt go to you, it goes to the state, etc etc. Im not gay but I do know that I'm definately not going to vote for something that promotes discrimination, why legalize discrimination? Remeber when everyone thought that slavery was such a good idea, an idea that the founders of the country agreed with, George washington had slaves, doesnt mean that it's right or even acceptable. Why is it that gay people cant get married, it's not gonna affect you.
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Nov 3 2004 9:06PM
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They are losing rights by not being treated equally. yes, some hetero couples don't get married, but they have a choice. if the ban is passed, than homosexuals will not have that choice. they are being denied the right to a legally binding contract concerning their relationship, and all of the benefits that go along with that.

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Nov 3 2004 9:10PM
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TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsJik
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I'm atheist dude, and I know plenty of bi-s and gays. Don't judge people.


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Nov 3 2004 9:11PM
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Sharpy
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Are the gays your friends? Why do you want to take rights and priveleges away from your friends. That's like syaing, 'I'm not racist, I know many black people.'

I don't think the people should decide this one, too many people are homophobic.
Nov 3 2004 9:18PM
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Doghouse
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if gay people cant get married, why let anyone get married, we just just stop marriage altogether



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Nov 3 2004 9:23PM
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^you're a genius...
Nov 3 2004 9:26PM
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^â„¢ Actually, it's not taking any rights away from homosexuals, you can't take rights away from people who don't have them in the first place.


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Nov 3 2004 9:33PM
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If a church wants to deny a homosexual couple from being married, that's fine. I don't care if a religion wants to deny groups participation in their ceremonies. They are fully justified in doing so. But, as soon as government treatment of them changes, it is no longer justified.

The argument that homosexuality is a choice is also not well founded. Do you really choose what you are attracted to? No. When you see a something that is aestheticly unpleasing (for example a garbage can) can you change your mind and find that thing beautiful? Go try it. You can't.

Even though I believe that homosexualaty is not a choice, I can also understand why people deny it. If you are raised to believe that it is a sin to be a homosexual, then to deny that choice is going to fundamentaly change your beliefs. I accept that people are not going to change there beliefs. I can accept that they think it is choice, but I don't accept them using that as justification for denying social benifits to gays.

I find it ironic that people make comparisons between homosexual marriage and a person marrying a dog. The fact that you can even consider the two to be relevent toward eachother show's truely how lowly you think of homosexuals. That is cruelly disgusting.


One thing I don't understand is why do you think that homosexual marriage (the governemnt 'civil union', not the religious ceremony) is any different that heterosuxual marriages?



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Nov 4 2004 1:06AM
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i was listening to a govener in the south talk after the election. he said 'i will not only make sure gays can't marry, but i will also keep them from being teachers.' it sounded familiar, very familiar. what occured to me was that the south is a hateful group. they NEED someone to hate and discrimate against. blacks, french and now homosexuals are discriminated against because they think they are superior. i really hate being part of a country with people like this.





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Nov 4 2004 5:23AM
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Wow. What governor was that, asac?

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Nov 4 2004 5:49AM
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bigJ
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That was Jim DeMint, SC senator elect. He does have some very conservative ideas regarding homosexuality and single mothers, more conservative then the electorate. I worked for his campaign some this year from the standpoint of gaining another senate vote, I don't agree with that attempt at banning gays from the classroom. However, I do agree that if they are in the classroom, that if they are teaching young children they really shouldn't tell the kids that they are gay, it would create too much confusion and get parents in an uproar. At an older age, past elementary education, they should be in the classroom, at that point the children are able to reason and make decisions for themselves. He is much more conservative then I am.



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