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Gdawg3
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For my college engineering class I've designed an avalanche hood that provides people with an indefinite air suppply. Only problem is, you need to be wearing your hood no matter what while you ski, because the system deploys from inside the hood. The question is, would you be willing to wear your hood (completely normal feeling) while you ski backcountry if it guaranteed avalanche survival? This is a survey, please just say yes or no.


We have an old saying down on the bayou....Blehhhhh!!!
Nov 1 2004 5:02PM
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fizzlefry
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would it be possible to put it on when you know you are going down?
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Nov 1 2004 5:03PM
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fizzlefry
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and i think that most people are killed from getting squished so they cant move their chest to breath. but i may be wrong.
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Nov 1 2004 5:04PM
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Skier10322
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probly not, if i felt the risk of skiing a run was so bad that i needed that hood I would probly just not ski it.
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Nov 1 2004 5:05PM
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skibum193
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yes. ^but i def agree

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Nov 1 2004 5:09PM
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Gdawg3
Posts: 1956 - Karma: 10
You press a button and a facemask deploys. Please, don't ask me any more questions about how it works, I've thought of everything and it's taken care of. I just want to know if you would be willing to wear your ski jacket's hood while you ski if it guaranteed avalanche survival. That's all. Yes. Or. No. This is what the next post should look like:


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Nov 1 2004 5:10PM
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Gdawg3
Posts: 1956 - Karma: 10
Yes.


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Nov 1 2004 5:10PM
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Gdawg3
Posts: 1956 - Karma: 10
bump


We have an old saying down on the bayou....Blehhhhh!!!
Nov 1 2004 5:36PM
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skiingpimp
Posts: 1176 - Karma: 31
YES
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Nov 1 2004 5:39PM
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Cohete-Rojo!
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well that seems kind of arrogant. I wonder if you've really actually thought of everything. You may think you have, but who knows. I've always thought brainstorming was a good thing. Its important to bounce ideas off of each other. other people may think of something that you haven't. have you ever tried mindmapping? sometimes that helps you think of more things. . . but I really don't think its possible to think of everything. . . does anyone else agree with me on this. . If I'm gonna say yes or no. . I think I need a little more info about how it works. Cause this is a life and death product we're dealing with. I also think if you wanted to put money into this idea, you'd benefit from other people's input. thats just my two cents. . . but do other people agree with me?
Nov 1 2004 5:43PM
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yes
Nov 1 2004 6:12PM
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skisebski
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well that depends on the comfort of it, the visibility when my head is in it when im skiing. Now a large percentages of deaths in avalanches are caused by asphyxiation from a sort of 'ice mask' that builds up around the face when buried. does this hood prevent that? and also what are the chances that the hood could get ripped off during a avalanche/burial? how does this product compare to the 'avalung'.




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Nov 1 2004 6:22PM
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skimack
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Yes, but it would have to fit over my helmet.
Now think of a way to keep the cliff bands the avalanche will carry me off from smashing me into hamburger meat and we will be money.

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Nov 1 2004 6:24PM
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arice
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as long as it didn't screw up my peripheral vision
Nov 1 2004 6:48PM
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powder99
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Nope, don't think i could see properly, and from what was said before if im that worried that i could be buried skiing that slope i shouldn't be there even though shit happens, i have been buried before and the only way that mask is going to save you is if for somereason that snow isn;t packing down on your chest
Also since shit happens and an avalche could possibly hit you from any conditions which i learned the hard way im still not willing to wear my hood up everywhere i ski
also what would happen if you had a helmet?

i like what your trying to do, but there are so many of ideas like that out there, like the avalung, or the parachute thing that pops out of your backpack and holds you closer to the surface (that one i like cause it also gives a bigger reference point to where you are),
good luck though it could work


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Nov 1 2004 6:56PM
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ElliotH
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yes
Nov 1 2004 6:59PM
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telestar6
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Yes

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D-loc's picture looks like a monkey smoking that cig. If you had a mug like that would you really want everyone to see it.
Nov 1 2004 7:38PM
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skiierman
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Jaa



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Nov 1 2004 7:40PM
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Gdawg3
Posts: 1956 - Karma: 10
Thank you for your replies so far, but I still need some more. And to reply to some of the people above, I'm not arrogant, I'm just a college engineering student that knows a shitload about avalanches, scientific principles, and materials construction. I'm not asking for your two cents about the design, simply whether or not you would be willing to wear a hood, assuming it would absolutely save your life from an avalanche.


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Nov 1 2004 8:13PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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well if i were guaranteed survival im sure i would... and if it were big enough to fit around a helmet. but i dont know about this 'button' business.
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Nov 1 2004 8:17PM
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^ Stop being so cocky, nice you are an eng. student but braging is soo lame. outside input is always good, your not above anyone when it comes to that. and no it fucks with my line of site.

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Nov 1 2004 8:18PM
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Stinkey_egg
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i'd wear one if i was doin B.C just to be safe




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Nov 1 2004 8:19PM
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MadTrix4185
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is it like an avalung that takes the oxygen out of the snow or what?
Nov 1 2004 8:30PM
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Frostfired
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yes
Nov 1 2004 8:33PM
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Gdawg3
Posts: 1956 - Karma: 10
If the hood had clear plastic on the sides so you had peripheral vision, would it make a difference to those of you that said no?


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Nov 1 2004 8:40PM
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dspin7x
Posts: 6414 - Karma: 63
If its just like wearing a ski jacket hood and no different and it gaurantees you 100% of surviving a slide Id say yes Id wear it, youd be dumb not to.

But why dont you tell us more about this idea, how is it going to provide you with a 100% chance of living. How does it supply a indefinite amount of air to me?

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Nov 1 2004 8:42PM
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Schmitz
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of course





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Nov 1 2004 9:12PM
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telestar6
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^weel obviously it can't give you a 100% chance of survival from a slide since the majority of people who die in slides die from hitting stuff on the way down, not from suffication.

I think rails in general are just a phase. - Anthony Boronowski

D-loc's picture looks like a monkey smoking that cig. If you had a mug like that would you really want everyone to see it.
Nov 1 2004 10:03PM
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Gdawg3
Posts: 1956 - Karma: 10
Actually, I've done a good amount of research on this, and most people die from asphyxiation in the first 45 minutes. That's what prompted this jacket, it keeps you from asphyxiating for a virtually indefinite period of time. You'll die from hypothermia before you choke to death with this jacket. If anyone wants to see the actual design schematics and calculations, too bad. It's patent pending.


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Nov 1 2004 10:32PM
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telestar6
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I don't want to sound like an ass but Your wrong The majority maybe even vast majority of people who die in slides die from trauma not asphyxiation. Also they usually die in the first 30 minutes without oxygen not 45. My dad owned a BC ski touring business for 24 years and taught countless avi classes. Personally I started going into the BC when I was 9 so that's 12 seasons. Trust me most people die from the trauma.

I think rails in general are just a phase. - Anthony Boronowski

D-loc's picture looks like a monkey smoking that cig. If you had a mug like that would you really want everyone to see it.
Nov 1 2004 10:42PM
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b2hawk
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yes
Nov 1 2004 10:50PM
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Gdawg3
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Keep em coming guys.


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Nov 1 2004 10:58PM
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Cohete-Rojo!
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LOL!. . . patent pending. . . ha! i love it.
Nov 1 2004 11:09PM
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TAK
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Uhhh... avalanche protection? Oh yeah?

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Nov 1 2004 11:21PM
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Quinny
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I might wear it. But as mentioned before if I'm that certain I'm going to get in an Avalanche, I probably wouldn't ski it in the first place.

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Nov 1 2004 11:40PM
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Shaggy
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Yes

and you can never be 100% certain that the snow isnt gonna slide on you.

and in this case, give the guy the benefit of the doubt, if he hasnt thought of everything, then eventually he should work the kinks out.
Nov 2 2004 12:01AM
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Marg
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or you could just quite skiing



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Nov 2 2004 12:05AM
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Gdawg3
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Just so you guys know, it's not like this is some hare-brained idea that I just came up with and started building in my basement. There are several complex systems in place, and it's being constructed with the oversight of several engineering faculty at CU, the 20th best engineering program in North America. It's light years ahead of any current avalanche protection system, and if any of you guys want to see it in action, come to the ITLL at CU Boulder December 2nd for the Engineering Design Expo. I started this survey because the system is easier to construct with a hood up versus the hood down, and I wanted to make sure that people would still be willing to use it, keeping the product premise valid. I'd still like some more responses, by the way.


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Nov 2 2004 12:07AM
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TAK
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Then I say ''Yes, I would use it.'' But for god sakes, just don't call it an ''avalanche protection'' device. Please.

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Nov 2 2004 12:23AM
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dspin7x
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Actually telestar and gwdawg are both wrong. Its 15 minutes when the chance of survival starts dropping rapidly, I think its something ilke you only have a 30 percent chance of living after you have been buried 15 minutes.

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Nov 2 2004 12:25AM
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dspin7x
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And people saying they wouldnt wear it cause you know the slope is going to slide....thats not why you use any avalanche gear. What Im saying is I ski with a beacon whenver Im in the backcountry even if I think im 100% sure the slope isnt gonna slide. ITs always nice to have the protection because youre not 100% right all the time. Except for me, I am.

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Nov 2 2004 12:31AM
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telestar6
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Well you have a 10 % chance of living after being burried for 30 minutes. So no I wasn't wrong.

I think rails in general are just a phase. - Anthony Boronowski

D-loc's picture looks like a monkey smoking that cig. If you had a mug like that would you really want everyone to see it.
Nov 2 2004 12:32AM
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dspin7x
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Yeah but ten percent is soooo tiny dude. So you are wrong. After 15 minutes you really lose any good chance of surviving. Hell you can live 4 hours after being buried too jackass but those odds are pretty small too. So you are wrong.

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Nov 2 2004 12:35AM
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DENALI44
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70% of the people who die in slides die because of trauma caused by the slide, then only soo many who survive that live for 5 minutes, and very few make it past that. besides if you are burried below 4 ft, you are dead anyways, beacons are more or less so it is easier to find your body.


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Nov 2 2004 12:35AM
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dspin7x
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Anyone who gets caught in or sets off an avalanche is a pussy though.

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Nov 2 2004 12:44AM
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telestar6
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^That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read. God damn your an idiot. My dad and his friend/guide got caught in a slide about 15 years ago. My dad was buried from his waist down and dug himself out then found his friend and dug him out and saved his life. So what the fuck is pussy about that. If you'd been in the same situation you'd have shit your pants, cried and died ther in the snow. Setting off avalaches is scary ass shit. I've done it twice and it's the scariest thing you'll ever see when a big fracture line goes out on either side of you and you've got about a second to figure out where to go so you won't die. My dad delt with that pretty much every year for over 20 years and trust me he's no pussy from it.

I think rails in general are just a phase. - Anthony Boronowski

D-loc's picture looks like a monkey smoking that cig. If you had a mug like that would you really want everyone to see it.
Nov 2 2004 12:51AM
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Indecent_Composure
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Yes.
Nov 2 2004 4:20AM
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skiierman
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dspin7x, just pray to god that the GW committee overlooked your comment.



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Nov 2 2004 6:34AM
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skisebski
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when we will be able to get a look at your design without going to the convention





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Nov 2 2004 7:39AM
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FortSkier
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It would be nice if you provide a diagram or sketches of the hood instead of us trying to think what it looks like. I get the impression your're making a hood that when inflated it give you an infinite air supply? It will have to be a pretty fuking huge hood so you would'nt die of breathing in your own CO2. Also if you are breathing inside of the hood your're better off using an Avalung since it has a better chance of extracting oxygen from the snowpack than dying from asphyxiation from the hood. If your plan was to create an larger air pocket from the hood after you deflate it once the avalanche stops, guess what? There's already shit on the market like that.
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Nov 2 2004 9:58AM
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