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Military Spending

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JeremyClarkson
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Americas military accounts for 40% of total world arms spending. Sitting at just over 1 trillion dollars it is 20% of our federal budget. Should we Increase of Decrease? Discuss.

Dec 10 2012 1:17PM
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panojibber.
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More nukes. Thats the solution, just buy more nukes.
Dec 10 2012 1:19PM
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howlongcanausern
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Dec 10 2012 1:20PM
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Puns
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increase. needs more national pride and so what if we have enough nukes to kill everything on earth ten times, why not go for a hundred? the national deficit can suck my dick and so can all the people missing out on food and social services complaining- they hate america.

in other news
Dec 10 2012 1:22PM
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Blurst
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Best nation on earth and never think of taking my fucking guns and shit away.

Fuck the commies, Obama is a Muslim piece of shit socialist, Stop taking my hard earned money, bigger military, more guns, just nuke the middle east and we wont have to worry about, christianity is the only solution, fuck abortion, fuck gay rights, fuck the poor.

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Dec 10 2012 1:27PM
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Tha_Wizard
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You really don't know what the fuck your talking about.
Dec 10 2012 1:27PM
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Puns
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caught me
Dec 10 2012 1:29PM
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Dr.Dealgood
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Decrease. Obviously.

USA spends more per capita on military spending than any other nation in the world. (UAE is sometimes reported as being higher, but with a MUCH smaller population and I would wager generally wealthier).

USA's total military budget is larger than the sum total of the next thirteen leading military spenders.
(aka: USA military budget  > 2-13 next largest spenders.)

Overall, (there could be slight gaffes in the above /claims) but regardless: our spending is enormously disproportionate compared to the rest of the world. The size of our navy, satellite systems, air force, nuclear arsenal, ground forces, etc far exceeds comparable nations.
Dec 10 2012 1:30PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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if you hit 51% you could theoretically take on the entire world
Dec 10 2012 1:31PM
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Huck_Norris
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Who knew Boener skied park??? 

Dec 10 2012 1:33PM
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fujarome
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decrease, but not by an incredibly huge amount.


like it or not, the US has a massive global presence, and will continue to do so. Those bases abroad also form mini-economies. Take away a base with thousands of people, and you lose quite a few jobs and the local economy can take a huge hit, unless the closure/redevelopment is handled perfectly.
Dec 10 2012 1:35PM
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Dr.Dealgood
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Hahahaha omg, you're fired and rehired. That is ridiculous.

If he refuses to raise taxes do you think he also refuses to spin off rails?
Dec 10 2012 1:36PM
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panojibber.
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Instead of producing more weapons at home we need to foster global relations by engaging in international weapons trade with our most hated enemies, such as Iran, North Korea, and Russia.
Dec 10 2012 1:38PM
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Huck_Norris
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No way, he strikes me as a "shaped skis are bullshit" kind of guy hahaha

Dec 10 2012 1:43PM
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fujarome
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the 80s were a hell of a time to be alive
Dec 10 2012 1:43PM
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BrewskiJr
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Military: decrease a Little.
Defense: Keep it the same.

A huge reason why defense budgets are skyrocketing is because these vbig companies (Boeing for example) that get these government contracts are unnecessarily inflating the shit out of their prices. The government really can't do much about it so they have to accept a higher price every time the want to make something.

Dec 10 2012 1:45PM
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Dr.Dealgood
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"Parabolic skis are just another example of a liberal handout to lazy and undeserving skiers everywhere. They systematically undermine the integrity of American skiing."
-John Boehner

Don't even get the guy started on the new rockered profiles...
Dec 10 2012 1:46PM
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El_Barto.
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i thought military spending was at 600 billion annually. Im all for spending less on the military, nobody is going to fuck with the united states. But if you cut the military you have to cut most other government programs at the same rate. Thats the only way shit will be fixed. Raising taxes isnt going to do enough. I heard obama and boener are at war over enough taxes to run the government for a mere 8 days. We dont have a revenue problem we have a spending problem
Dec 10 2012 1:47PM
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Tha_Wizard
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If we continue to increase military spending, or if we leave it as it is, we deserve what we get: teacher shortages, crumbling infrastructure, privatized police and fire departments, no money for this and no money for that.

Dec 10 2012 2:02PM
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volvotom
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You missed the h in Boehner, but I still lol'ed.
Dec 10 2012 3:10PM
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doGelyst
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but if you cut military spending, then we lose military jobs!

if you legalize drugs, we lose drug enforcement jobs!

if you say cigarettes are bad and will kill you, people will still smoke them to be badass!

etc.
Dec 10 2012 3:13PM
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blackmamba.
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or you could, like, produce something...
Dec 10 2012 3:18PM
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Huck_Norris
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Lost haha

Dec 10 2012 3:26PM
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volvotom
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The Boeing KC-X project is super tame compared to the F-35 project that Lockheed has basically been milking for Billions (yes, billions with a B). Boeing is actually going to take a big loss on the KC-X and probably won't break even, at least partially because they slashed the price to be more competitive against EADS.

The whole contracting process for the KC-X was a clusterfuck I won't even begin to get into.

Military contracting in general never quite works out right.

At the heart of the issue is this: For years we have been spending just slightly lower as percent of GDP as we were in the early to mid 80s. This is up a little due to the "global war on terror" as well.

A report out early this year by the Joint Chiefs of Staff essentially said that preparing a military to fight 2 large scale wars on different continents was unnecessary and that the military needs to change from cold-war era thinking to a modern era where there are not defined lines and battle zones and the enemy doesn't have sophisticated weapons or wear uniforms.

In the same report they said the greatest threat to the country was not a foreign threat, it is a domestic threat.
Dec 10 2012 3:29PM
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DubV134
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oh right ok
Dec 10 2012 3:34PM
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ILLinoisance
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Oh god, I don't think I can handle any more Boeing talk. I just finished a 10,000 word paper on that fucking company.

Let's first differentiate what constitutes "defense" spending, then eliminate what is actually "offense" spending, and uphold the "defense" spending.
Dec 10 2012 3:35PM
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.qzyxya
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obviously cut it
Dec 10 2012 3:36PM
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volvotom
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The 787 project was fffffffffucked. My dad works for Boeing and had engineers on the test flight that had the fire. They could have died. What's worse is if that did not happen on a test flight, or on approach, and instead on a JAL flight over the Pacific somewhere after delivery, the plane would have gone down, no question.
Dec 10 2012 3:48PM
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ILLinoisance
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that whole project was an abortion, no question.
Dec 10 2012 3:55PM
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Round-Four
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well yeah, thats why they test them, so they dont crash over the pacific...
Dec 10 2012 3:55PM
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volvotom
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Oh, is that why? The specifics of this incident are way more detailed than I would like to get into now. The bigger thing to come out of this was the failure of the redundant systems and behavior of the flight computers and effect of plane control when the systems started failing. Without the incident it is likely the plane would have been certified to fly as is.
Dec 10 2012 4:01PM
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twin-tip-hero
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The military is making cuts, and has been. I'm in the Air Force, and for example they are cutting funding everywhere you look. Little things over time add up. Such as I can't get a pair of boots issued to me, I have to go out and buy it all myself. They are kicking people out of the military in general for any reason they can find. The amount of people they are recruiter has dropped because simply they are not taking as much as they used to. In my shop we can't even get a decent set of tools to work on mission essential things. Things that if they were to break, we can't fix it and the entire mission is fucked. It's bad where I am. Talking to some friends at other bases, they say damn near the same thing.
People want to see results now, and big numbers. But if you look at it over a period of time, we are decreasing military expenditures. There is even talk of getting rid of our retirement pay/ making huge cuts to it. And in time they are going to reduce TA (tuition assistance) by a fuckton. It's coming people, but you just have to be patient. Something like this you just can't cut major funding and expect everything to be working fine, it takes time.
Dec 10 2012 4:06PM
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Round-Four
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yeah dude i hate it when they test thing and find out they dont work so they fix the problem before selling it. that shit is terrible.
Dec 10 2012 4:09PM
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accualyisdolan
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Boener is boss you fucking tool
Dec 10 2012 7:45PM
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volvotom
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He might lose his speakership.
Dec 10 2012 9:49PM
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midwestpowhunter
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military industrial complex....cut spending lose jobs, gvt supports wayyyy to many jobs. but hey we are a capitalist society...so it makes sense. private enterprise pays blue collar workers with money it receives from building weapons for the gvt that it will never use. Its pretty fucked up...why not put the money into infrastructure, space exploration, renewable energy. same cost less waste, more roi
Dec 10 2012 9:54PM
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Seany.n
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Where can one buy nukes, exactly?
Dec 10 2012 9:58PM
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klayer_9
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Lets just hijack this thread into a spiderman thread. Please guys?

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Dec 10 2012 10:06PM
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Dragonite.
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inb4 Immortal Technique
Dec 10 2012 10:20PM
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roddy116
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yah i would say that the offense is not necessary right now, but defense if we change it at all increase, because of what is going on right now.
Dec 10 2012 10:23PM
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Peach.
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I hate my country.
Dec 10 2012 10:37PM
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roddy116
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^ well then move and give your citizenship to some poor african child who would kill his parents to live here.
Dec 10 2012 10:44PM
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theabortionator
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Decrease by a ton.

Fuck the amount of money we waste, fuck the shit we do in other countries, fuck the people idiots vote for, fuck the legislation they pass, fuck this I'm making pizzzzzzaaaaaaa

Dec 10 2012 10:47PM
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Smuffy
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this is awesome. thank you for that.
Dec 10 2012 10:54PM
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accualyisdolan
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You know the us gov adds 100 jobs a day? That's what we need to cut. Military spending should be cut too. But mainly that cancerous fuck mr Obama needs to sit the fuck down with his exploding gov spending
Dec 10 2012 11:40PM
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brosephstalin
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cut govt military spending

the people that get hardons from killing innocents are welcome to join extremists like al-nusra in syria as they topple the baathist govt

but on their own dime plz
Dec 10 2012 11:51PM
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ILLinoisance
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obviously, at the fucking nuke store.....
Dec 10 2012 11:54PM
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brosephstalin
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lol are people with less than 80 iq like you the best the right wing media can produce?

yawn
Dec 10 2012 11:54PM
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volvotom
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Number of gov jobs has actually been down since O took office. Nice fake talking point though.
Dec 10 2012 11:55PM
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Relish_man
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FUCK YEAH IT FEELS SO AWESOME TO CAUSE COLLATERAL DAMAGE WHILE TRYING TO KILL A FUCKHEAD WHO INSTIGATES VIOLENCE AGAINST YOU. get a fucking brain, no one wants innocent people dead.
Dec 10 2012 11:56PM
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accualyisdolan
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Sorry I got the stat wrong. It's actually 100 gov jobs that are added everyday. Sorry about that. Keep it up obama
Dec 11 2012 12:01AM
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