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2012 Heisman

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skisalot111
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Alright the 2012 heisman trophy winner is going this week so who do yall think is going to win??

Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M

Manti Te'o- Notre Dame

Collin Klien- Kansas State


i say Johnny "Football" Manziel is going to win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp8iZAySN2M
Dec 6 2012 5:56PM
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LoathesRaisins
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Manti Te'o cause I like his name.
Dec 6 2012 6:01PM
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volvotom
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Manziel will probably get it. Although I really don't know if his skill will hold up when he gets to the pros. A lot of "hot" playing college players have crashed and burned in the NFL: Tebow, Leinart, Sanchez, etc. But I suppose you also need to take into account those that have been doing well: RGIII, Luck, etc. We'll have to wait and see.
Dec 6 2012 6:07PM
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shocker611
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I hope this is the case. Honestly I think braxton miller is the most exciting player in college football right now though.. unfortunately they cant go to the national championship so that wont happen
Dec 6 2012 6:13PM
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LoathesRaisins
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I don't watch college football so I wouldn't even know aha
Dec 6 2012 6:15PM
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steezywannabeezy
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Collin Klein throwing three pics against Baylor won't cut it. Although, I'd take him for the Chief's no. 1 draft pick (they will probably have no. 1 overall).
Dec 6 2012 6:15PM
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steezywannabeezy
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Dec 6 2012 6:17PM
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Chubz.
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klein fucking sucks. I'm surprised he even made the finals.


I really really want manti to win, he deserves it.

But i think manziel is going to win it. Johnny football is one hell of an athlete.
Dec 6 2012 6:17PM
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Leafs2323
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Its gonna to Johnny but I would like to see manti te'o win it
Dec 6 2012 7:52PM
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JWeinstock
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its gonna be manziel but i dont think he deserves it. he had a couple UNBELIEVABLE games but i dont think he should win
Dec 6 2012 7:58PM
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2_fadez
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I don't think Manti T'eo deserves it honestly. He played great, but didn't make great game-changing plays like Manziel or have any real big wins.

T'eo just happened to be on a Notre Dame team having a good year, and so he got nominated as a result of their team's success. I guess we'll see how they do when they play a real SEC powerhouse in Alabama.
Dec 7 2012 2:08AM
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Jeebus.
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I don't give two fucks this season for some reason, but I'm calling it now, its gonna be manziel.
Dec 7 2012 2:35AM
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987321654hgfd
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I despise Notre Dame so i hope Te'o doesn't win it.
Dec 7 2012 7:57AM
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chilling
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Its gonna be Brian Jackson the guy has had an incredible season but he gets no recognition
Dec 7 2012 8:00AM
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skisalot111
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johnny football WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 8 2012 10:50PM
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direwolf
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manzel can win it next year. Te'o deserves to win it
Dec 8 2012 10:53PM
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ALMIGHTYSOSA
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so glad he won it.
Dec 8 2012 10:56PM
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Kekambas.
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Manzel can win it next year too
Dec 8 2012 11:42PM
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gusestomp
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Te'o better get that shit, he's fucking dirty.
Dec 8 2012 11:50PM
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ALMIGHTYSOSA
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manziel won it.
Dec 8 2012 11:57PM
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Seth.S
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Good. Kid deserves it fully. You can't beat the stats he put up.. not to mention he beat the NUMBER ONE team in the nation. I hope the Irish fucking kill Bama
Dec 9 2012 1:45AM
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jaredmdub
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Klein no.1 overall?

do you even watch football?
Dec 9 2012 1:52AM
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Flacker
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Barner should have won

Dec 9 2012 1:53AM
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ALMIGHTYSOSA
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no
Dec 9 2012 1:54AM
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BlackCupid
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I didn't watch the ceremony, but I hope Montee Ball at least got some votes. He deserved it.
Dec 9 2012 2:47AM
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eheath
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I mean, he's a freshman. assuming he finished his college career, he could be damn good. But, playing in the NFL straight from college is hard and stupid IMO. Good qbs have a few years of transition first ie Rodgers.
Dec 9 2012 4:13AM
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TheHuggyBear
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maybe its because I live in the south and everyone bleeds football during anytime of the year, but you kids dont know shit about football lol

Te'o had a good year and will probably be a top 3 draft pic, but other defensive players have had good years like him and not won it. Plus Manziel beat tebow and cam newtons records...as a freshmen, keep in mind both of them won the heisman when they originally set those records. I dont see how he wouldnt deserve it.

and Klien, well good for him on a decent year, but its easy to put up numbers like that in the big 12 against shitty defenses. If he played in the sec like manziel, he wouldnt have even made the all sec second team roster.

Dec 9 2012 4:34AM
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PeppermillReno
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I saw Klein play in person.

Kid is a beast he ran like an RB litereally ran between the tackles unlike Manziel or even Tebow/Newton could. My Iowa State Cyclones would have beaten KSU if he wasn't so good.

Unfortunately he lost a lot of heat off his fastball with the concussion. Up until that point he did play the QB position like a running back who could throw a little. And his team was the best.

I hope he gets a shot in the NFL. Big kid he was much bigger than Teo or Manziel standing next to them.
Dec 9 2012 5:31AM
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californiagrown
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but he cant throw...and please dont compare his running inbetween the tackles to that of tebow. Tebow absolutely blow him away in terms of power.
Dec 9 2012 6:01AM
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momentz
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Ehh linebacker winning heisman. I don't think so!
Dec 9 2012 7:30AM
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BlackCupid
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Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, RG3, Russel Wilson.
Dec 9 2012 12:44PM
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eheath
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Cam has been TERRIBLE this year. Just because they have one good year doesn't mean anything.
Dec 9 2012 2:51PM
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Funkadelic
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Luck, RG3, and Wilson are just rookies. Just because they're having a good year doesn't mean they'll continue to be great players in the future. Once defensive coordinators spend the offseason really looking at tape they may find ways to break those players down ie. Cam Newton who is sucking this year.

That being said I do think they'll end up having good careers, but you can't yet say they're successful NFL players.

A lot of the best QB's have had some time sitting first in the NFL (Rodgers behind Favre, Young behind Montana, etc.)
Dec 9 2012 3:23PM
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HowNeatIsThat
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Fuck Cam Newton, that cocky piece of shit.

He should go steal another fucking laptop.

I don't like Manziel in any way shape or form, but if he can beat the tide then I guess he deserves a Heisman.
Dec 9 2012 4:38PM
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BlackCupid
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If you consider being ranked 6th in fantasy points to be terrible, then sure.
Dec 9 2012 5:16PM
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eheath
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hahahahhahhaha
Dec 9 2012 5:31PM
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ECGove
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Lol unfortunately fantasy points don't matter when your team only has four wins
Dec 9 2012 6:08PM
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BlackCupid
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I'm confused. You discredit my examples as anomalous, but you only gave one example yourself. You can't possibly think you've made solid argument.
Dec 9 2012 6:40PM
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Jewschoolers
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no mike vick has been terrible, blaine gabbert is terrible, cam hasnt been good but not terrible. he played pretty good against atlanta today. you dont know anything about football, stick to telling people how stupid they are about cameras
Dec 9 2012 6:47PM
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eheath
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Fantasy points =/= good QB. Winning games, making good plays, not blowing it in the 4th quarter, shit like that is what makes a QB good. Fantasy is based all on numbers, not on how the numbers effected a game or the outcome of a game. I have rodgers and he'd have games where he gave me 20pts but they packers lost and he didnt do that well. A QB can play like shit for 3qs and play good 1q and get a ton of fantasy point.

That being said, cam has been blowing it this year. Have you watched him play? Do you even follow football other than your fantasy team?
Dec 9 2012 6:58PM
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eheath
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Also, I know plenty about football. Cam hasn't been playing good. Ya, vick is worse but the rest of the "worst" QBs I can list with one hand. Someone saying cam has being playing good is extremely inaccurate and then trying to prove it by saying he has a ton of fantasy point is even more ridiculous. Yes, he did play good again atl today but its been his best this year which is far ahead of any other game hes had this year.
Dec 9 2012 7:00PM
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BlackCupid
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Cam Newton has been a decent quarterback this year. I have him on fantasy team but he's been sitting for most of the year. I'm well aware that he isn't having a great season. He is still a better than average NFL QB.

Regardless, that doesn't make your claim that you need to sit out for a season in order to be a good quarterback any more valid. How good a player is at quarterback is completely independent of whether or not they have a "transition period."
Dec 9 2012 7:04PM
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Jewschoolers
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-vick/foles
-fitpatrick
-gabbert/henne
-locker
-sanchez/tebow/mcelroy
-weeden
-bradford
-quinn/cassel
-ponder
-tannehill
-rivers
-romo
Dec 9 2012 7:11PM
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eheath
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vick, yes

gabbert, yet

locker, no

sanchez, yes/no depends

weeden, no

bradford, ahh maybe

quinn/cassel, no caseel is not that bad, just getting fucked this year

ponder, maybe

tannehill, no

rivers, no

romo, no

Not sure if you're a cam fanboy or something, but im really expressing an opinon, based on numbers/performance. if your opinion, is different, thats fine. I think cam is overrated tho and this year has shown it.
Dec 9 2012 7:18PM
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Jewschoolers
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if you think brandon weeden or ryan tannehill are better than cam you are crazy. they both have lower qbr, less passing yards, negative td-int ratios and less rushing yards and tds
Dec 9 2012 7:32PM
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eheath
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I based on numbers and performance. Just like can they've had a hard time but both teams have won more games...
Dec 9 2012 7:35PM
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Jewschoolers
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fair enough
Dec 9 2012 7:39PM
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skisalot111
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btw its pronounced scam newton, after all he did accept fund/ gift money from a college booster
Dec 9 2012 9:27PM
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