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Noha
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Whos thought about it?
Nov 30 2012 6:54PM
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Straightthuggin
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I was depressed for quite a long time. Yes, I am in Highschool and I know it is typical bullshit but like the person earlier said. Its not easy to find shit that makes you happy. Like I would start my xbox and sit at the dashboard for ten minutes and just turn it off. I didnt even look forward to winter. The ONE thing that always made me happy. It was so dark and terrible. I can see how some of you think suicide is selfish but I personally think you would have to be there as I was to really understand how hard it is. Everything is just grey and boring.  I am so happy I found someone that litterally made me want to change myself as a person and I made her my girlfriend. I am so happy I chose not to let myself fade out with that belt around my neck. It is hard to see that it gets better but it really does. Not because the bullshit like pussy or partying. Because of friends, family and love. If ANYONE wants to talk, feel free to shoot me a pm.
Dec 6 2012 8:20PM
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Peachbutt
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Not much to say, never seriously considered it, but I feel like it's wrong to try and deny someone suicide. Not that it's right, but I feel like it's a sort of ultimate decision, last way out sort of thing. If someone really, truly hates their life and assumingly the people in it, they should be free to make their own decision to end it or not.
Dec 6 2012 8:50PM
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Zimmerman
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this
Dec 6 2012 9:09PM
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andrewblackie
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My dad killed himself, so I can kinda relate to some of the things mentioned in this thread. As much as I support putting this sort of issue out in the open, I'd don't think NSG is the place for it. In saying that, I am overwhelmed by the number of people who have put heartfelt advice out there.
Dec 6 2012 9:21PM
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Zimmerman
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No alarms and no surprises.
Dec 6 2012 9:35PM
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jakirikiki
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I think a damn lot of people around here don't understand that being suicidal is/ can be a medical condition. In which case they are not thinking the way "everyone" thinks. In some cases (if not a lot), IT'S BIOLOGICAL. Saying they should get up and do something is like telling an autistic child to try harder at school.
Dec 6 2012 10:56PM
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Flacko
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same here i dont know why but some times i will get the urge to do stuff like that like open the car door on the free way or im not sure i cant think of other stuff but i do that sometimes
Dec 7 2012 1:08AM
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californiagrown
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is marrying someone, then cheating on them blatantly okay?

i mean, its their life and their body. they should be able to do what ever they want right? why would their husband/wife/children care?

Dec 7 2012 1:18AM
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FBGM
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Ultimately your life is on a completely different level than any human relationship you will ever have. That analogy makes no sense. Deciding what to do with your life > deciding what to do with personal relationships. Relationships are just one of the many things that make up your life. As I was saying earlier, a part of a whole < the whole. There's a bigger picture.
Dec 7 2012 1:27AM
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californiagrown
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I would really, really not get along with you if i met you in real life.


Living purely for yourself is selfish IMO. Apparently you could not agree less.
Dec 7 2012 1:30AM
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FBGM
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I never said anything about living for yourself. We're talking about dying. I'm talking about dying for yourself. You seem to have missed my point the first six times I made it.
Dec 7 2012 1:32AM
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Toasty.
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was my uncles 3 year anniversary of his suicide on monday.. pretty shitty couple of days
Dec 7 2012 1:36AM
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californiagrown
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Living or the lack thereof purely for yourself is selfish and wrong IMO.


I cant believe you dont see how narcissistic your and others view is of this.
Dec 7 2012 1:38AM
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FBGM
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Do what you want while you're alive, be selfless. That's fine, I'm totally into that. I've got someone I put a lot of my time into who I really fucking care a lot about, he's a really really good person who means a fucking lot to me. That's fantastic. However, if I came to a point where I were to decide whether I wanted to live or I wanted to die because I didn't think living was the right thing to do, I would kill myself. I don't think that's selfish. I think any human emotion is so minuscule next to life and death. You can't compare them, they don't relate, they are on completely different planes. Emotions are part of life. Life itself is bigger than that. Where I'm coming from personally is the cognitive standpoint. I'm not sad or depressed or lonely, or any of those things you might attribute to the average candidate. However, neither life nor death holds significance to me. I would be okay with dying. NOT SELFISHLY, because my life is MY life. I'm not being selfish for making an ULTIMATE decision. This is different from the way one would handle footnotes along the way, such as human relationships, to reference the example you mentioned. I'm not a selfish person. In fact I'm pretty giving. This has nothing to do with killing myself v. not killing myself.
Dec 7 2012 1:45AM
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FBGM
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Life =/= death, how can you not see that?

Does it really matter anyway? We could argue about this for ages but none of it really truly matters. I have no issue with you, you're entitled to your own opinion. My own opinion varies and that's what I'm defending. The right to your own opinion.
Dec 7 2012 1:49AM
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cbj
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Haters gonna hate this buuttt

There is too much cool shit to commit suicide. How could you be this bored / upset / angry with the world when we have things. Like ice cream, puppies, skiing, tits, ass, nature, waterfalls, mountains, birds, trees... All it takes is one little insight to see that the world is a wonderful place and we are truly blessed to even exist in the first place. No suicide is not selfish, yes it does hurt friends and family. But it is a poor choice,cuz the world is fucking awesome and they are gonna miss out.
Dec 9 2012 3:00AM
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SwagtasticWalrus
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My brother did it.. it sent me onto depression. If anyone is thinking about this, don't do it! Message me if you need someone to talk to. I will be a friend to you. Suicide effects everyone around you or that knows you in a very negative way.
Dec 9 2012 3:15AM
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mmallender.
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i cant say ive ever had to go as far as to remove myself in the event that i lose control of these thoughts, but i definitely have had similar thoughts. "what if i...... just hit him/her REALLY hard with this, i wonder what would happen?" "if i jumped, would i live?" and then rational thought kicks in and is like "youre dumb, dont do that, i promise it wont end well"


also, op, again, ive THOUGHT about it, like played out the subsequent sequence of events in my head, but i have never actually considered it at all. just a hypothetical situation i have thought of. if youre seriously actually thinking about it, please go talk to someone, i have had someone very close to me kill themselves, and it effects so many more people than you may realize, there is always always a better solution. if you truly think youre at rock bottom and that your life is THAT shitty, you can only go up from where you are now, things can only get better, removing yourself from existence is never the answer.
Dec 9 2012 5:31AM
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theabortionator
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You don't understand shit man.


"It's a fucking permanent solution to a temporary problem,"

You guys all sound like a box of shitty fucking fortune cookies with the same repeating line.

I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of people who jump to suicide as the answer without thinking about it, in the heat of the moment, just that that doesn't give you a basis for everything.

Yes there are plenty of situations where somebody killed their self over a girl, a fight, their parents, school, in a situation that might have very well passed in time, and the pain might have gone away.


I see where people are coming from but still, you can't just throw everything together. Mental illness can fuck with shit.


When your life is in constant swings, everythings going right it feels and then for no reason you just sink into the deepest hole in the darkest cave and can't crawl out, then the next day, month whatever you could be singing and skipping down the road smiling with a fuck ton of energy.

Just because you have things to be thankful for, doesn't mean you're in good shape.

The mind is a crazy beast. Depression is a fucking bitch.

I've done my best to surround myself with good people and things I love. That was basically my opt out situation. That's why I have no saving any more and I pretty much wing everything with no money. That's what's keeping me going.

But if at some point that's not enough, and the demons start to pull me apart, fuck anyone who calls it selfish to get out.


Some peoples problems stem from something sudden, the breakup, the fight... Other peoples problems stem from life long mental illness.


Some shit you just can't shake. You can do your best to fight it but you still got it there. Sometimes it's almost like it's gone, sometimes it's almost like it completely controls you.


"Suicide is never the answer. Take hold of the life you've been given and rise about the challenges presented to you. Nothing is impossible, it's only a challenge. So accept the challenge and show life you're fucking better than it"


Too that I say, what the fuck do you know? Who are you to say you know anything about what goes on in somebody else' head? Oh so you've narrowed all of life's problems to a shitty little paragraph to post in the description of your live laugh love album on facebook. Congrats.


I'm not trying to say that killing yourself is good, I just can't stand hearing people lay out the 2 step guide to total happiness. If that really cures everything, go write a book on it.


/rant


probably won't post another one.
Dec 10 2012 9:02PM
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theabortionator
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I don't think I've ever liked anything you posted.


I don't understand mental illness so I'm going to continue perpetuating the whole "it's selfish, permanent solution" bullshit.


Congratulations.


Technically it's selfish to masturbate.

Also I don't eat shellfish.

Actually I don't like seafood at all.

Then again I eat a tuna sandwich once every few months.

Maybe the route of all my problems is liking fish and masturbating to make myself feel better. If I stop masturbating can I masturbate with fish? Maybe I have to eat the fish?

Dec 10 2012 9:16PM
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mode2n
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Every once in a while you speak the truth dude. Couldn't agree with you more about this!
Dec 10 2012 9:16PM
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Mr.Luke
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I'm sorry if I appeared ignorant or offended anyone with my comment on this thread. I get worked up over the subject since it's something that hits home.
I didn't mean to say that suicidal thoughts or actions are the person's fault, I only meant to say that it's not the only answer to the problem. Even when all hope is gone, hold in there. There's always someone who loves you, even if you don't know it.
It's not selfish to take your own life, but I know many people who were seconds away from killing themselves, or who have tried multiple times who are happier than they have ever been today.

I myself have not ever been suicidal, so it is true that I wouldn't know first hand what it feels like. But seeing the sobs and whimpers of those who have lost someone to a problem that could've been solved, it's just not right.

Again I apologize for my comment and I would appreciate if people understood my sensitivity to the subject. Thank you
Dec 10 2012 9:19PM
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roddy116
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when i think of it being selfish, their is one circumstance i was pondering, what if you had a child, and you killed yourself, your robbing that child of a father or mother or of a brother. idk if that makes sense but it does to me.
Dec 10 2012 9:20PM
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mode2n
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^ However to add upon to my previous post, suicide is such a strange path to go towards. To escape life and all it's challenges and triumphs, to move onto whatever is next in the big picture. I just find it such a strange concept over all. Life is a crazy place, with experiences to guide you towards new places to go. It may be overwhelming at times, but in the end it's your life, so why not enjoy the little and big things?
Dec 10 2012 9:21PM
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MatRich
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the only people who I think suicide is a good solution is homeless people who dont try to do anything for their lives. do drugs, beg, go to sleep and wake up again to do the same.

If your not going to get a job or do something with your life, what makes you want to wake up every morning and do the same old shit. Your life is only going to the shitter and you will die after having accomplished nothing. Why not just stop the struggle and end it?

Sounds harsh but I think this every morning when I see the same hobos doing the same shit and they are getting old and beaten.

Dec 10 2012 9:24PM
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grown-ninja
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sorry to hear that man, hope things are ok with your fam
Dec 10 2012 9:31PM
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theabortionator
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Classy guy right here
Dec 10 2012 10:22PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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So is it safe to assume you support letting killers off the hook due to mental illness as well?? I mean it's not their fault right, their brain just isn't working the right way??
Dec 11 2012 10:55AM
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Zimmerman
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I don't think anyone would. I'd sure as hell support treatment as a mental patient over a regular sentence though
Dec 11 2012 11:12AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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It was a question man, I never stated you said anything like that. I was legitimately interested in your view on it. Also excusing someone's action of killing themselves becuase of mental illness I think is somewhat relevant to excusing someone's action of killing another due to mental illness.

So if a murderer should not get a dead end sentence of jail because they can be better understood and treated different due to mentall illness, then why do you accept a dead end sentence of suicide for someone with a mental illness?? You're willing to treat one that hurts others, but think it's ok to quit treatment for someone that wants to end themselves?? I think those that are disturbed yet not willing to attack others should be pushed toward treatment more than someone who is so lost that they kill innocent people.


I'd love to hear more about your situation but I'm sure it's not something your comfortable discussing, let alone discussing in NSG for that matter.

Also I know you hate the word lazy but I do find your last statement to be exaclty that. There are volumes of knowledge and plenty of people who's careers are dedicated to doing just that. Simply becuase you are not willing to try to explain or educate another on losing sanity does not make it impossible. I'm sure it would be difficult for me to explain my thoughts and feelings after losing family members to someone who has not, I assure you it has given me quite some insane views on life. That doesn't mean I would think it impossible and not try. I think we can all find common ground and understanding if constructive dialogue and shared knowledge is passed around in a respectful manner.

You guys brushing some of us off here by saying "well you just don't understand and never will" is quite a cop out if you ask me. I was young when my uncle offed himself, I was older yet when my best friend offed himself, and it was just a few years ago that my brother's actions ultimately took his life. I had interacted heavily with all three before they met their end, if you think I have no grasp on insanity, depression, and mental/physical illness then you are very mistaken my friend. (which I don't say in jest, I'd like to think we are all friends here and I don't want you to think I have any ill feelings stemming from this discussion and I would hope you don't either) I simply think we are in disagreement and that's just fine, disagreement breeds discussion and progress.
Dec 11 2012 1:44PM
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Dragonite.
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You can't exactly argue this until you've been there. It's all just an opinion. When I was younger I was really depressed for a few reasons and I had thought about suicide a lot. And when you're feeling so upset that you contemplate suicice, it's just what seems logical in the situation. If you're feeling that helpless, you would understand the logic behind it. I think it's stupid that you guys are arguing about something like this, espeially because there's so many ignorant remarks made. Not trying to draw pitty from that post in any way. It's just my opinon.
Dec 11 2012 2:15PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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I'll play along.

Driving into a brick wall and driving through a crowd are both examples of terrible driving. Either act should warrant discipline upon the driver, of different penalties of course.

So I stand behind my statement that one who threatens or attempts suicide or murder should also be examined or penalized. Don't tell me they are in no way comparable. They are both clear examples of innappropriate activity in society are they not??

I didn't say they were identical, but more questioned you as to why you think the murderer deserves treatment yet you think suicide is acceptable and that person could not benefit from treatment.

And to go back to another of your past statements, yes I think a person should go on fighting through suffering for as long as it takes to put their life back together or lift their spirits or commit them to a hospital. Whatever the final act may be, however quitting and death I don't see as one of those viable options. You people accepting suicide make me nervous for the guts and gumption that humanity once used to value. Just cause someone is depressed now doesn't mean they will never come out of it and should quit.

Hope things turn around for ya man. Also good luck with the legal implications of your actions whatever the driving force might have been. Court trouble and the law always is a tough fight.
Dec 11 2012 4:38PM
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yaqwsxcde123vfr
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Depression is an ilness. You don't choose to be sick. In case of depression the illness is either caused by a dramatic psychological shock or inherited.

Did you ever choose to be healed? inb4 whenimsickawesomeinstead.jpg
Dec 11 2012 5:39PM
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DANETRON
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In the last 6 months i have destroyed pretty much everything i worked for over the past 3 or so years. Everything from relationships with friends and family to the most meaningful romantic relationship ive had to getting addicted to drugs i never have had any intent in doing to getting my self into a lot of legal troubles and a severe medical problem that i brought on my self. Im known as being a wack job but even the people who may have been closest to me do nt know the shit thats on my mind on a daily basis or how deep things actually are.

Dec 11 2012 6:20PM
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Download-My-Apps
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I havent read all the posts on here. But there are some very immature responses going on in this thread. For those of you who call suicide selfish, you obviously have never had much difficulty or depression in your life. And neither have I. But it would be very hard taking your own life. If anyone is seriiously considering it and is looking for help. I'd suggest using a self help website form, not NS.
Dec 11 2012 6:20PM
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FBGM
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Preaching to the choir my friend.
Dec 11 2012 7:24PM
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yaqwsxcde123vfr
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ok? there's to much to read in here. Anyway if this opinion has already been stated there's nothing more to say.
Dec 11 2012 7:34PM
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FBGM
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I think you're confused because you misunderstood my point. But we can leave it at that.
Dec 11 2012 7:52PM
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Bogs
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because, for some people, the chemicals in their brain make it impossible.
Dec 12 2012 9:15AM
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Steve-Brown
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must have been on another suicide thread dat i made a long comment on ahha, sure i've thought about it, then i got distracted with how dope life is hah
Dec 12 2012 9:48AM
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Snowboards
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unfortunately I'v been thinking about it everyday for the last 2 months or so :/
Dec 21 2012 12:43PM
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steezywannabeezy
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I was addicted to suicide and abortions in the '90s. Heroin saved me.
Dec 21 2012 12:57PM
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bfulmer
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This is just wrong. Whether it is a valid discussion or not, it isn't something which should be talked about on a skiing website consisting of mostly teenagers. Suicide should never EVER be considered an option, and I think that this thread should be deleted immediately.
Dec 21 2012 1:16PM
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SeniorLivin
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Get some help! Talk to someone, whether its a guidance counsellor, a friend, your parents, whatever.

I went to see counselling services at my school and they hooked it up, made sure I didn't get kicked out of school, gave me a diagnosis and pointed me towards professional help. People care way more than you might think, thats something I'm slowly discovering right now.
Dec 21 2012 1:36PM
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steezywannabeezy
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/|\ sounds really corny, but you seriously might watch or research It's a Wonderful Life. It actually helped me in a hard time not too long ago.
Dec 21 2012 1:46PM
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Snowboards
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Thanks, i have no intentions of doing anything it just really sucks having the thoughts running around in your head. I cant talk to my parents, they currently are not happy with some life decisions i have made in the last year, and we are not currently on speaking terms. Im no longer in school and have no counselor to talk too. most of my good friends have gone off to school and are no longer around, and i dont want to alienate the ones i still have left or my girlfriend because loosing them would be too much to bare. I just needed to let some of these feeling out rather then keep them all locked up in my brain.

As of this year i have decided not to continue my college education at this time. I had the job i had always dreamed of doing. after my parents found out that i was no longer in school shit hit the fan. I talk to my mom here and there but my dad has yet to speak one word to me since. Soon problems with my family i lost my dream job due to the economy. Now my parents are even more angry with me. I have bills and rent to pay, not to mention food and even working the 2 shitty jobs i have since gotten im not even scraping by. I keep slowly falling further and further into debt with no end in sight until the end of the summer. The only thing good thing going for me is my wonderful girlfriend.

I just dont know what to do anymore and cant find a way out.



sorry for spelling/grammar in this post. im not proofing or really thinking about it.

I wish the best for everyone reading this thread. It feels just a little bit better to be typing this out right now.
Dec 21 2012 3:14PM
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Kronor
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/reads thread
/depresses you
Dec 21 2012 3:55PM
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hank_hill
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dude thats really shitty :( i hope things get better for you!
Dec 21 2012 4:31PM
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Bogs
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why not discuss it on a ski website consisting of mostly teenagers? why should it never EVER be considered an option?
Dec 22 2012 3:28PM
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De-Clan
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Suicide is a serious fucking matter, not a joking " have u ever thought about it"
Dec 22 2012 3:53PM
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