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Religion really?

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deleted5
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/18/tyler-alred-church-manslaughter_n_2146619.html
Nov 18 2012 6:27PM
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2_fadez
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idk just seems like a shit situation overall.
17 year old kid isn't really drunk, but crashes his car with his friend and ends up killing him. Friend's parents don't want to see him in jail for the sake of it, but something has to be done.

While I don't support religion, at least it will help straighten the kid out. Much rather go to church for 10 years than be in prison for 10
Nov 18 2012 6:29PM
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.AR6rider.
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Wow, that is absolutely fucking retarded. Anyone who supports this judge's sentence may also be fucking retarded.
Nov 18 2012 6:54PM
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deleted5
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well you took out the post about how it is unconstitutional but other than that I'm ok with it.
Nov 18 2012 7:01PM
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TheClap.
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its NSG you are asking for too much
Nov 18 2012 7:02PM
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roddy116
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its funny cause i was arguing the constitutionality of his decision.
Nov 18 2012 7:06PM
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.AR6rider.
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Which is exactly why you're a fucking idiot.
Nov 18 2012 7:08PM
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TheClap.
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its hard for him to understand the difference, just gotta let it go
Nov 18 2012 7:08PM
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Tinga
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seems like an appeal would take care of this situation.
Nov 18 2012 7:09PM
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roddy116
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orlly? just because i dont share the same ideas you do means im an idiot?
Nov 18 2012 7:09PM
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.AR6rider.
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If you think forcing someone to attend religious services as punishment for a crime is constitutional, then yes, you are most certainly an idiot.
Nov 18 2012 7:10PM
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roddy116
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why? because it is not what you think is a good thing?
Nov 18 2012 7:10PM
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deleted5
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no it's because of the fact that you are wrong that make you a fucking idiot.
Nov 18 2012 7:10PM
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roddy116
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wrong about what? it can be warped to be claimed constitutional.
Nov 18 2012 7:13PM
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TheClap.
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i laughed
Nov 18 2012 7:13PM
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.AR6rider.
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No, because it is NOT FUCKING CONSTITUTIONAL, you retard.
Nov 18 2012 7:13PM
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roddy116
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it can be warped to be constitutional.
Nov 18 2012 7:14PM
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SpaghettiWizard
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No because separation of church and state is law
Nov 18 2012 7:14PM
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.AR6rider.
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How is forcing someone to attend religious services in any way legal under the constitution? Please, give me a legitimate answer and not some pseudo bullshit opinion of yours that avoids the question.
Nov 18 2012 7:14PM
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roddy116
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just because they are seperated does nott make the church "bad"
Nov 18 2012 7:15PM
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roddy116
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the judge could consider it as a way to learn morals, not pseudo bullshit, something you legitamantly do in court.
Nov 18 2012 7:16PM
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SpaghettiWizard
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Sorry for the double post but

It really sucks for this kid, if an appeal go through what happens to him? Jail? There's no doubt that the sentence violates regulation but I wouldn't even fight it considering the alternative.
Nov 18 2012 7:16PM
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Nov 18 2012 7:16PM
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.AR6rider.
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Nobody said church is "bad." That is not what is being argued here. You simply CAN NOT force someone to attend church legally. I don't care what you think you can "warp," it's still fucking illegal. You are the dumbest motherfucker on this website by far.
Nov 18 2012 7:16PM
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SpaghettiWizard
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Nobody is saying its bad
Nov 18 2012 7:16PM
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SpaghettiWizard
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This wasnt loaded yet. I'm done posting.
Nov 18 2012 7:17PM
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roddy116
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but the judge would not call it church.
Nov 18 2012 7:17PM
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.AR6rider.
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"A way to learn morals" is not a legitimate sentence for a crime. If that's what the judge wants the kid to learn, he can give him community service hours. He can't force him to attend church. What if the kid was Jewish? What if he was Muslim? What if he was a fucking atheist? It is NOT legal. Get this through your fat fucking head.
Nov 18 2012 7:18PM
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roddy116
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athiesm is not a religion, its just a term for someone who believes in no spiritual existence. and community service hours, yah just pick up shit on the road. im not saying that he can learn morals any other way, but going to church is certainly a cheaper and much less sever penalty than any other punishment he could have been given.
Nov 18 2012 7:20PM
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Tinga
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Well it seems like the kid goes to church anyway. There are other parts of the sentence that make a lot more sense.

then there is this quote "raises legal issues because of (the separation of) church and state," University of Oklahoma law professor Randall Coyne told the Tulsa World.... or it's against his first amendment rights.

This sentence doesn't seem wrong to me it just seems silly. Obviously a judge sentencing someone who doesn't go to church to go to church would be blatantly wrong but the kid does so it just seems silly.

I have to commend the parents of the kid who was killed though. Takes a lot of strength to forgive the kid responsible and realize they don't want two kid's lives to be thrown away.
Nov 18 2012 7:20PM
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TheClap.
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but hes not

no point in dealing with "what if"
Nov 18 2012 7:20PM
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Nov 18 2012 7:21PM
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.AR6rider.
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I think picking up trash on the side of the road/helping underprivileged families would teach you a shit load more about morals and values than being forced to sit in church and listen to some idiot talk for an hour about something you may or may not believe in. However, at the end of the day, it does not matter one single bit what you believe, because this is still not legal, will be appealed, and the kid will win.
Nov 18 2012 7:23PM
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roddy116
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alright fine. and i take you have never done any community service before, just a bunch of people smoking and sitting around and occasionally poking a piece of trash.
Nov 18 2012 7:25PM
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Tinga
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Why would the kid appeal if he already goes to church anyway? Seems like a lot of wasted time and money.
Nov 18 2012 7:25PM
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.AR6rider.
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Maybe by the time he's 26 he will have moved on and won't feel the need to be forced to attend church every week? It is one thing to make a choice to attend church and practice religion, but to be forced to go for the next 10 years is insane.
Nov 18 2012 7:27PM
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Tinga
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yeah thats a good point.
Nov 18 2012 7:30PM
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.AR6rider.
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No, I have not picked up trash on the side of the road. You would be correct in that assessment. However, I've spent a lot of time (not forced or required, by the way) helping a local organization who packages and distributes groceries to low income families in SE Michigan, and I can tell you that to me, it is much more rewarding than sitting on a bench for an hour listening to some dude's opinions on the world.
Nov 18 2012 7:31PM
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TheClap.
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implying what works for you works for everyone
Nov 18 2012 7:33PM
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Funkadelic
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It is unconstitutional, but I doubt the kid will ever appeal it. If I were him I'd be extremely grateful this was my sentence compared to what my actual sentence would be if the kid's parents hadn't said they didn't want him to go to prison. I feel like if he were to appeal the sentence it would almost be like spitting in the face of the family of the kid that died because they're the ones that got him this sentence in the first place and kept him out of jail.
Nov 18 2012 7:33PM
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roddy116
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i bet it is.
Nov 18 2012 7:34PM
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joshua
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He goes to church anyway, so whats the big deal here? This sounds like a very case specific sort of thing, and its not like judges are going to all of a sudden start forcing every criminal to go to church, so chill out.
Nov 18 2012 7:42PM
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Ski_The_E
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So and underaged kid drives under the influence and crashes causing his friend to die, and his punishment is 10 years probation and going to church? Thats just not right.
Nov 18 2012 8:00PM
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Peach.
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Can you imagine how people would react if the court ordered him to attended satanic gatherings?
Nov 18 2012 8:01PM
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roddy116
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but then he would get a repeal.
Nov 18 2012 8:01PM
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.AR6rider.
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Worshiping satan is no different than practicing Christianity, the only thing that changes is who you pray to at night.
Nov 18 2012 8:07PM
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Peach.
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Nov 18 2012 8:07PM
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bighomieflock
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I thought about posting this, but the arguement against satanic gatherings would be that their views do not coincide with the practices that government encourages to make society safer.

That being said, the punishment is ridiculous and just plain stupid.
Nov 18 2012 8:09PM
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Peach.
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But the logistics are the same. The government CAN NOT force someone to practice a religeon. Does no one remember why America exists in the first place?
Nov 18 2012 8:11PM
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roddy116
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alot of satanic stuff is illegal. and harms other people.
Nov 18 2012 8:14PM
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deleted5
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like?
Nov 18 2012 8:17PM
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