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Was Darwin Wrong?

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Lé.Skiing
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Any One Acctuiolly Know What his theory is?? and do you beleive in it... oh and by the way some people dont know this but a theorly is an educated guess which means they studdied for years and ears to call ita theory.. he didnt get it out of thin air(the theirly of evolution is what Darwin made, which is the theorly that all beings evovleds from cells, and that man evolved from apes and on and on)... plus i was wondering if any one had read the stroy they have in this months national geographic... if you havent go to your local library or book store and get it and read it... its sucha good article and states peoples faults of making opinions beofer they know the facts.. like what some people say to his theory... 'its only a theory' but they dont even know what a theory is... and that most people that make an opinoin on the theory have never seven taken a biolegy class or know what the theory includes.. but i better stop typing about it before i start jabbering on.




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Oct 27 2004 10:48PM
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DENALI44
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darwin is correct, god is just a pile of nonsense so you can all die now i hate you all.


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Oct 27 2004 10:49PM
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TheStamos
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agree'd^ there is scientific evedince of evloution.. Ex. your tail bone, so shut up.





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Oct 27 2004 10:50PM
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dood, you gotta work on your spelling a little, but yeah I know his theory. even the details like allopatric speciation...What I find funny is that down in the bilbe belt they refuse to teach this, instead they teach creationism haha...what a joke




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Oct 27 2004 10:50PM
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Lé.Skiing
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the theory has some proof to it but what religeon has the proof tha god exists.. i'm not on any ones side i stay nutral to both ideas cause you have no idea if we have evolved from apes.. or one celled organisms cause theres still a missing link in the puzzel for the theory to work but then again religeon has a book thats really old... wow... and if it were true that would all mean that we are brother and sister.. which would also mean that is where all these birth defects come from but that could also be aform of evolution... so that is kind of a weird topic that every one has an opinion on




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Oct 27 2004 10:55PM
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Justo8484
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actually after darwin published his theory, he lated denounced it saying that it was a load of crap....
Oct 27 2004 10:59PM
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agree with denali44
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Oct 27 2004 10:59PM
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Lé.Skiing
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i know some things in this world and that one thing is that Man may think they know of something but they dont... they may thing they have found the source of our comming to be.. they will never find it so i suggest we just accept what we dont know and save the government the time and money




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Oct 27 2004 11:03PM
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Ski-hobo
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Read this months National Geographic, which is where I suspect you got the title for this thread.





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Oct 27 2004 11:05PM
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^opps, sorry, didn't read the last part of you thread.





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Oct 27 2004 11:06PM
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foxyness
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i think that darwin was right, i mean it has so much evidence behind it...evoultion is quite real just look at fossils or how virus can evolve. and if u read his theory its a hell of a lot more belivable than the whole adam and eve thing.


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Oct 27 2004 11:06PM
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volkl
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it is true, man cannot say whether or not darwin's theory is true and that is why it is theory and not proof. At the smallest level evolution and survival of the fittest is always occurring. look at bears: polar bears are very similar to grizzlies, but polars have thicker coats and white fur which allows for an effective life in the arctic. however, i feel that to consider that everything just spontaneously happened, ie. cells spawned for say space dust (carbon, etc) is ludicrus. I am a university student and in all of my courses of geological time, the profs and literature, in regards to the origins of the universe and big bang, they always state that prior to the big bang, there was one dense nucleus. The only way the scientific world can say about this initial nucleus is 'that is was created' by god? some think so. it didn't just exist in a space of nothingness. The initial conditions were set for the universe and earth to exist and develop as they have, and these inital conditions and laws (ex, gravity) were set along with this initial nucleus.
Oct 27 2004 11:27PM
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I'm all for Darwin.

ie; Darwin's Finches on the Galapagos Islands

A bunch of finches (small birds) are assumed to have flown to the Galapagos Islands from South America, and they spread out and inhabited the islands. Over the years they evolved and now they're very distinct from eachother in numerous ways to the point where they won't/can't reproduce with eachother.

I'm about to go to bed so I won't write up 5 hours worth of notes but there's so much envidence to support evolution. I have no opinion on whether everything evolved from prokaryotes, but I think that many animals evolved from other animals, but then where did aardvarks come from? They have like no similarities with other animals.


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Oct 27 2004 11:40PM
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Yeah, Darwin's my DAd!





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Oct 27 2004 11:45PM
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lanks
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darwin made a certain comment, along the lines of 'if we dont find millions upon millions of missing links in the next ten years or so, my theory is garbage.'
there have been no missing links found to this day. i believe his theory is garbage. it has some good science, and some bad assumptions to go along with it.



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Oct 27 2004 11:49PM
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volkl
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everyone make sure not to take things in the bible as cut and dry or black and white. everything written prior to adam's decsendants was written not thru experience but thru word passed on from god to man, which was then poetically written down. the whole 7 days of creation is not 7 literal days, and if you allow geologic time to take place, like billions of years, animals, plants, everything with time adapts and evolves like darwin says. stories in the bible that are autobiographies essentially, like matthew, mark, luke, john, etc, are life stories. if you were to read someone's autobiography in this day and age, would you believe it? i challenge you to say no to the last question i asked. (don't be a jackass and just write 'NO' without thinking about the question. Darwin did a ton of work in geology and ecology and made some very good observations of how adaptation and evolution occurs, and this cannot be discounted.
Oct 27 2004 11:57PM
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Spam_Man_1500
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The bible and Darwin's things are both theories. Or thats what I think. Want to know what else I think? The world came from PROTOSS! They were experimenting just like with ZERG until things got out of control and they started to build stuff on their own! OH MAN CRAZYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 28 2004 12:00AM
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wiener
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natural selection.....that is his theory.it is alot more plausible than Lamarckes theory of evolution taking place through inheritance of acquired characteristics(the neck of giraffe is long because it had to stretch to get the high leaves so its kid was born with a longer neck). this has been proven wrong by the experiment with the mice and cutting off the tails for 20 generations. the 21st generation still had a tail. as far as creationists go i personally think that is a big pile of shit. they believe god created the perfect being about 6000 years ago(not exactly sure on that but it is something ridiculous) they dont believe in dinosaurs!!!!!! so i say go Darwin you are the motherfucking man.
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Oct 28 2004 1:36AM
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wiener
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if any of you can come up with something more plausible that doesnt involve some god all mighty bullshit i would love to hear it
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Oct 28 2004 1:37AM
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wiener
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another question, what is stopping religious people from believing that 'god' created something meant to evolve, to change. why does it have to start with 'the perfect being' because as far as i am concerned humans are the furthest thing from the perfect being. we dont live in harmony with anything else, we pollute and destroy, we are more like a rapidly spreading out of control disease
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Oct 28 2004 1:55AM
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darwin is correct, god is just a pile of nonsense so you can all die now i hate you all.


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Oct 28 2004 2:05AM
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Personally, I think that darwins theory could definately coexit with the Idea that gGod created the world, as a few others have said up above.

On a side note, it drives me nuts when people say humans evolved from apes. Darwin theorized that humans and apes both evolved from the same species, way back down the line, and split off, forming two new species. We didnt evolve from apes.
Oct 28 2004 2:30AM
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RudyGarmisch
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'and if it were true that would all mean that we are brother and sister.. which would also mean that is where all these birth defects come from but that could also be aform of evolution.'

Ok, I would first reccommend that for the sake of humanity, at least take basic high school biology. Or maybe sit in the class at the very least and stare at the board.

Essentially, evolution works far better than any other thoery out there today, and speciation has been PROVEN. Take fruit fly generations. Scientists have created new strains of them because they can breed so quickly that are resistant to disease and genetic defects that stem from abnormal chromosomes. With that said, a word about LUCA, since someone brought it up:


LUCA stands for Last Universal Common Ancestor. Basically, it is the life form that everything has evolved from, if you accept evolution. Not to say it was the first life form on Earth, but just the one that prospered and divided into another, and another and another, and so on. However, the fact that all life forms are are thought to have come from one cell does not mean that birth defects are a form of evolution. Birth defects are usually chromosomally related, EG. XY/XX related. Fragile-X syndrome for example stems from a Chromosomal error in which the introns (Spaces in your DNA that do not code for anything, which is actually most of your DNA) get too long and unstable molecularily. Thus, the chromosome can snap off and genetic info is lost, leading to defects in the male, etc.

Birth defects dont create new species though. Speciation comes from genetic errors from random radiation that change the chromosomal (not XY/XX chromosomes) only slightly and usually unnoticibly. Change happens gradually, incredibly gradually in Evolution and speciation. Birth defects are sudden, harmful and usually involve the XY/XX chromosomes, and in almost all studied cases render the child incapable of passing on its chromosomes. Broken Chromosomes cant fix themselves (yet).

Also, if you simply take a step back and look at most, actually almost all birth defects, most dont give you an advantage. Thats why they're called defects. If it doesnt give you an advantage, the genes simply wont succeed into other generations and subsequent prodigy wont make it into the gene pool.

Darwin, the man himself, may have had shaky beliefs, but the fact still remains that his idea of speciation is proven and that the idea of evolution is by far the most accepted and the most plausible explanation so far in science to explain the diverse amount of species on our planet.

Evolution cant be proven for a good reason: it happens incredibly slowly over millions of generations. We wont know for sure probably ever, but its still the only theory that best describes life.
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Oct 28 2004 2:33AM
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Well said Rekker. I don't feel the need to add anything else to that. One thing that always make me say, 'wtf' about creationism and in turn religion... Correct me where I'm wrong, I might be a tad off but I think I'm on the right track. Protons, Electrons and Neutrons cannot be created or destroyed. Except in the case of nuclear fision and nuclear fusion. (Is that right?) That's been proven. Therefor how could everything be 'created'? If it could, with so much being created in such a short period of time, how could life exist? Wouldn't the nuclear radiation left over from all this 'creating' leave an environment soo toxic that no living organism could ever survive?
Maybe I'm missing something or wasn't listening in biology. Feedback on my thoughts would be greatly appreciated.


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Oct 28 2004 2:58AM
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Aerozol
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Look Im not the expert, but heres all this evidence pointing towards evolution everywhere, so you piece it together. Then theres the die hard christians who can make a good argument but have had to search for evidence, and tell us things that have happened whereas for evolution you just open your eyes and look around. There is no argument, and what does it matter, ultimately? (if you want to get technical)
ps you christians would love to believe that your right and theyre wrong. Because how can it be any different?
Oct 28 2004 3:11AM
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Science caught up with god about 300 years ago..
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Oct 28 2004 5:06AM
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Oct 28 2004 6:49AM
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I think darwin was right. We know enogh about genitics now to be able to soildly back up his claims. And he didnt really need genitics to prove his theroy. Industrial melanism (sp) and his swallows are just about all the proff that i need to show me that he was right.
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Oct 28 2004 7:27AM
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Sharpy
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If god created Man in his own image, then god is a fucking asshole. Honestly, human nature is the most disgusting thing out of all animals.
Oct 28 2004 10:19AM
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I watched a show about evolution last night on PBS I think there is more evidence to support a concept such as evolution than perhaps the world and everything in it was created over the course of a week a few thousand years ago


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Oct 28 2004 11:26AM
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Sharpy
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^I think the dude calculated it as around 6500 years ago God created the earth. I knew a girl who didn't believe in dinosaurs because of that.
Oct 28 2004 11:46AM
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Darwin was right and there is no GOD
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Oct 28 2004 11:47AM
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Oct 28 2004 11:57AM
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Lé.Skiing
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Brandon i didnt state weither i was for darwin or against him, i was just stating possibilities in what may have happend or what did happen, weither we evolved from a differant specimen, or god created us... i have no way of makinga decision on neither... but what i do know is that the people that have a religeon really try and back up their theory as much as possible.. oh and by the way.. baby jesus may not be the son of god because there is such a disease ... or might not be a disease but someting she was just born with... i know the scientific term but i just cant think of it rite now.. but it has to do with being born pregnent and when they hit a scertain age they produce a baby... or eggs(iguanas have this, they are born pregnent) it has also been proven in many differant animals.. i'm not going against saying that jesus was the son of god he might have been we will never know, plus as some one stated earlier that stories of the bibly were passed down from person to person, and htat when storys pas from person to person things change cause you cant rely on what others say cause peoples memories arent pirfect(SP?). oh and if you dont beleive that traits can be passed along what about darwins fancy pidgeons?? they have had trais which were passed down... i could be wrong about that tho i havent quite finished reading the story in this months national geographic but i was reading a bit of it last block.




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Oct 28 2004 12:20PM
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Ski-hobo
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evolution is bullshit, I beleieve in the talking snake theory and that a 60 foot man living in clouds decided to create humans one day. Makes so much more sense.





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Oct 28 2004 12:23PM
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You cannot prove the existence of god.
You can prove evolution tho...


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Oct 28 2004 12:25PM
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Lé.Skiing
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dud have you even read the teory of evolution and on a note what is your proof to back it up... there is noproof to back up the theory that god exists... there are condions that may prove of some supernatural being like bleeding statues




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Oct 28 2004 12:26PM
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meb9486
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hows this for ionic....I got to a jesuit university and im a biology major...its funny becasue i ahve to take theology classes and dont believe in god at all. i totally agree with darwins theory and i find it funny that i ended up at a jesuit school
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Oct 28 2004 12:33PM
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^the more you know





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Oct 28 2004 12:34PM
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to a post near the top:

actually, if we came from a super monkey, we would still be as much related as if we came from adam and eve, or actually noah, due to the universal flood destroying all over humans, other than noah and his family


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Oct 28 2004 1:29PM
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So in all reality, was Darwin wrong?

Yes, yes he was.


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Oct 28 2004 1:34PM
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if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes? wouldn't all the apes be human by now. problem with evolution is there they have never found any missing link fossils.
Oct 28 2004 2:15PM
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if people didn't evolve from monkeys or whatever, why are some babies born with tails
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Oct 28 2004 2:15PM
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Sharpy
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what are these 'missing links'? Creationists are always talking shit when they have no idea what they are talking about.
Oct 28 2004 2:35PM
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Weiner - lamarkes theory has been (according to my teacher) disproved. But I think its a little of both.

I think a greater energy (god) is in the works somewhere.

I think that as we live the course of our life, our bodies adapt to our surroundings, thereby changing our dna - from the DNA we were born with into the DNA that is in our (men) semen. I think the DNA is changed based on how we live our lives. Now, if i was constantly craning my neck or having it stretched out, maybe my son will have bigger neck muscles, or a longer neck. NOw, do I believe that giraffes have long necks as a result of a birth defect that allowed them to eat another few inches of leaves, thereby killing off the shorter giraffes and their dna? sure, but i dont think its any one of the above theories by themselves. The interconnectedness of all things.

but hey, thats just me,


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Oct 28 2004 2:49PM
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skibum_, God didnt creat man in his own image, man created god in man's image. Thats the diffrence.
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Oct 28 2004 3:17PM
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^ i saw that instantly. denali...dont post ever again.





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Oct 28 2004 3:25PM
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missing links are intermediate species that are supposed to have existed in vast quantities. so for humand to have evolved from apes, there needed to be millions of intermediate species lying around. now there was all this buzz earlier on in the 20th century, because people claimed they could finally back up darwins theories as they had 'found' missing links. first of all, they usually claimed to have found one. just one. there needs to be millions...
secondly, these occurances (eg piltdown man, lucy, etc) were all proven to be elaborate hoaxes. we have no real knowledge of missing links to this day.

also, just because the theory states the world is young, say 6000 years young, doesnt mean that dinosaurs didnt exist at all. people who dont believe dinosaurs never existed are uneducated and ignorant. im not going to explain the theory because people on ns dont want to hear it. but if you want to know what creationism is all about, try sites like creationscience.com.



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Oct 28 2004 5:04PM
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Justo8484- Shortly after his death, temperance campaigner and evangelist Lady Elizabeth Hope claimed she visited Darwin at his deathbed, and witnessed the renunciation. Her story was printed in a Boston newspaper and subsequently spread. Lady Hope's story was refuted by Darwin's daughter Henrietta who stated, 'I was present at his deathbed ... He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier.'
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No, he did not renounce his theory. Darwin was not 100% correct, it is not expected that he would be. Evolution, however, is the best current explanation of how species became what they are now. Evolution does NOT disprove the existance of a god, but it (along with almost everything else) does run contrary to strict Bible translation.

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Oct 28 2004 5:33PM
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skibum_ i said it was disproved by the test done on the 20 generations of mice
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